@Lady Lascivious, be Greece's patron? :P

@Lady Lascivious, be Greece's patron? :P

Russia will be in the midst of a civil war for a little while and will not have the ability to project power into the balkans during it.

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Russia will be in the midst of a civil war for a little while and will not have the ability to project power into the balkans during it.

That is okay.

Want a volunteer battalion for either side?

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That is okay.

Want a volunteer battalion for either side?

welcome to send whatever you want, Lauder is planning Poland's entry on the side of the Tsar.

@Lady Lascivious, be Greece's patron? :P

So historically, Greece was usually under the patronage of three powers in Europe:

- The Francophile faction, which was usually aligned in the more conservative powers of Hellenic government and favored a more gradual shift of the country into modernity after Ottoman rule.

- The Liberals and Irredentists, who found themselves being found under the influence of the British.

- The reactionaries and Orthodoxists, who liked the strong power of Russia's status and mutual orthodox heritage to, again leverage power against the Ottomans (I think you're noticing a pattern here)

OTL the conservative factions in Greek politics would largely end up winning internally, but Greece herself was by in large under the whims of a British establishment - who in turn would end up being pro-Hellenic more often than not, due to the interests of the expanding Greek state likewise also serving as a natural check to both Russian and Ottoman interests in the Balkans. In that vein, your best bets for any fruitful alliance here would most definitely be Britain, who was very interested in a Hellenic state who could fulfill that role.

What Yam said

Likewise, Russia after the civil war will most likely be a... let's just say not a very conservative state, so unless you also want to experience the glory of 𝒯𝒽𝑒 𝑅𝑒𝓋𝑜𝓁𝓊𝓉𝒾𝑜𝓃 I advise you not ask for Russia's interference

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So historically, Greece was usually under the patronage of three powers in Europe:

- The Francophile faction, which was usually aligned in the more conservative powers of Hellenic government and favored a more gradual shift of the country into modernity after Ottoman rule.

- The Liberals and Irredentists, who found themselves being found under the influence of the British.

- The reactionaries and Orthodoxists, who liked the strong power of Russia's status and mutual orthodox heritage to, again leverage power against the Ottomans (I think you're noticing a pattern here)

OTL the conservative factions in Greek politics would largely end up winning internally, but Greece herself was by in large under the whims of a British establishment - who in turn would end up being pro-Hellenic more often than not, due to the interests of the expanding Greek state likewise also serving as a natural check to both Russian and Ottoman interests in the Balkans. In that vein, your best bets for any fruitful alliance here would most definitely be Britain, who was very interested in a Hellenic state who could fulfill that role.

Thanks!

I am 100% open to ideas and suggestions to make this more... fleshy?




The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland


William IV


After the abdication of Napoleon in April 1814, British public opinion demanded major gains in the war against the United States. The senior American representative in London, Reuben Beasley, told US Secretary of State James Monroe:

There are so many who delight in War that I have less hope than ever of our being able to make peace. You will perceive by the newspapers that a very great force is to be sent from Bordeaux to the United States, and the order of the day is division of the States and conquest. The more moderate think that when our Seaboard is laid waste and we are made to agree to a line which shall exclude us from the lake; to give up a part of our claim on Louisiana and the privilege of fishing on the banks, etc. peace may be made with us.

Led by General Isaac Brock, the British, along with their Canadian and First Nation allies, hammered the Americans at Queenston Heights and Detroit. Landings in New Orleans, a bombardment of Boston, and General Brocks unerring support of the Shawnee Chief Tecumseh, led to the Americans eventually suing for peace as the Frontier burned. The Iroquois and Huron Confederacies were recognized as British protectorates, and the region known as the Louisiana Territory was turned over to the British.

Protected by her Navy, at least in theory, the British rolled up the territories and colonies of its land bound enemies. The French fleet, a shadow of its former self, was penned into a half dozen harbours and left to rot. On land, however, the British did not fare so well. The French proved, with a few exceptions, to be better led, and friction among the Allies to several reveres, including a brutal defeat at the Battle of Waterloo. The British were forced from mainland Europe and only a few ports remained open to their goods.

To suggest that the British people were badly shaken by the landing of French troops at Dover in 1822 would be to make a massive understatement. What followed was a soul searching that the British had not had to undergo since the Spanish Armada. A special committee was launched by the King to investigate where things had gone so badly wrong and he nominated the Duke of Wellington to lead the review. Wellington had avenged his defeat at Waterloo by soaking British beaches with French blood, but now he was being asked to make sure such an event never occurred again.

First came reforms to the Navy and Army. The practice of buying commissions was scrapped and he adopted the French style of promoting skilled men from the ranks. A proper military college was established in York for the training of officers who could not read or write. The use of the rifle became widespread and the iconic red jacket of the British army began to give way to the dark green and black associated with the rifle regiments. Britain had learned some hard lessons.

The Navy, long Britains favourite son, found its reputation badly tarnished after their failure to prevent the French landing; they had been pissing about in the wrong place when the invasion began. The Captains list, previously based solely on seniority, was abolished and, like the army, new commanders were promoted based on competency and leadership.

With Napoleon gone, and the world more or less at peace, the king began new political reforms. The poor law was updated, child labour restricted, slavery abolished in nearly all of the British Empire, and the British electoral system refashioned by the Reform Act of 1832. His control over the Kingdom of Hannover had long be surrendered as Prussia sought to make its own way.

Now the King lies on his death bed, the Empire is strong, and money flows into British coffers. Whispers of war on the mainland have begun again and it is only a matter of time before the Golden Cavalry of St George ride again.

@Pagemaster, Can I have Lord Byron as King of my Greece? I dislike Otto the Barvarian.

@Letter Bee, sure? Up to Aaron more than me. I don’t think I’m that invested in Greece at the moment. I’d have to read up on it.

@Pagemaster, Thanks! And I asked because Lord Byron is a British Citizen and thus under your purview (he was also nominated King of Greece IRL, although not sure if that applies to this RP).

Edit: And it seems that Lord Byron being nominated King of Greece IRL was an exaggeration which modern scholars disbelieve. Dangit.

Edit 2: I need a candidate for King who is relatively liberal yet tolerable to the establishment. Any candidates?

I need a candidate for King who is relatively liberal yet tolerable to the establishment. Any candidates?

>>King of Greece
>>Liberal

Pick one or the other, my dude

I'd just put Otto of Bavaria on the throne and have him be deposed by revolutionaries in an RP story arc (as happened later historically).

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>>King of Greece
>>Liberal

Pick one or the other, my dude

I'd just put Otto of Bavaria on the throne and have him be deposed by revolutionaries in an RP story arc (as happened later historically).

you know that exist instances of liberal kings in history right?

Pretty sure Otto von Bayern wasn't one of those kings, but go off I guess.

As for my involvement in the RP, not sure what I'm drawing up here yet, probably something smaller so I don't have to worry about logistics too much.

@Lady Lascivious No

ALL EUROPE SHALL BE SWALLOWED IN THE FIRE OF REVOLUTION MUAHAHAHAH

Wow gee, it's almost like revolutions inspired by the deposition of old social order is entire premise of this RP

ALL EUROPE SHALL BE SWALLOWED IN THE FIRE OF REVOLUTION MUAHAHAHAH

Syndicalist Europe... in the 19th Century? Sure. That'll work out well. I'm imagining it now.

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Wow gee, it's almost like revolutions inspired by the deposition of old social order is entire premise of this RP

Wow gee, it's almost like the flaming elmo meme should be taken as an intentionally over the top hyperbolic statement.

Mulling over the prospect of playing as the Papal States.