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Fallen's understanding is the same as ours. The chair platform was moved, not the weapons array. Moving the latter would have required moving quite a bit of the ancient outpost.
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No they excavated the entire weapons platform and moved to Area 51. The whole system was in violation of the Antarctic Non-Proliferation Treaty. Just moving the chair wouldn't solve this problem. The chair is mearly the control interface. Just moving it would be like if you're mother told you to move your computer so you move the monitor and keyboard leaving the computer behind.

It would require much work but that us what theh did.

Anyway, that wasn't my point. My point was that we have a ZPM lying around and no weapons platform for it to power therefore it would most likely be installed in Earth's most advanced ship, The Langford.
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No they excavated the entire weapons platform and moved to Area 51. The whole system was in violation of the Antarctic Non-Proliferation Treaty. Just moving the chair wouldn't solve this problem. The chair is mearly the control interface. Just moving it would be like if you're mother told you to move your computer so you move the monitor and keyboard leaving the computer behind. It would require much work but that us what theh did.Anyway, that wasn't my point. My point was that we have a ZPM lying around and no weapons platform for it to power therefore it would most likely be installed in Earth's most advanced ship, The Langford.


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This is a really REALLY bad idea to have that with us. Even if we did have it, you'd have to keep it away from Blaze.
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Ok, i'm gonna go brutally honest here: Gameplay > Realism. I always enforced that and always will. ZPM is OP for number of reasons, shields being one of the least impacting ones actually as the 304 is doing pretty god even without it. But the second you accept a ZPM, people are going to ask for supercharged beam weapons of doom. As soon as they get those, they'll want cloak. And with each of those, the game get's more and more BORING.

And personal note, I think its any 304 would have that ZPM, it would be assigned to Pegasus as the Wraith are far mroe dangerous than Lucian Alliance.
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Why would we have to keep it away from your character?

Anyways the ZPM is strictly a power source. It increases the efficency of the ships systems most notable the hyper drive and shields but it doesn't make the ship invulnerable. In 'Unending' the very last SG-1 episode the ZPM powered Odyssey was on the verge of being destroyed ZPM or no and was saved by Asgard systems.

A Zero Point Module would only increase ability to run and perhaps grant a slight advantage in combat but it doesn't make the ship immune to damage. You're blowings power a bit out of proportion because of the fact that it is Ancient tech and the things it is able to do when it is powering the right devices. A ZPMs effectiveness is limited by what it is powering, on Earth the weapons platform was able to destroy Anubis's entire fleet but this was the result of the Drone Chair and platform design. The ZPM is simply a power source and if a story comes up where we need to be short on power several I replicable relays between the ZPM and the ship could get damaged.
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There are lots of other 304's around at this time, and since the Langford is not primarily serving in a warship role, it does not make sense to have any spare ZPM there. The Asgard power core is more than sufficient to make it a suitable threat against most opponents.

The real problem with bringing in systems like cloak is that its not understood quite well enough to be efficient enough on a ship the size of a 304. A cloak could probably use same sort of emitters as a shield, but that could be limited to lantean-class emitters. The Asgard, so far as we've seen, have not been very much into cloaking ships.

If we really wanted the ship to be nigh-indestructible, we'd have a merlin cloak on it, not a regular cloak. But as Forsythe said, that sort of thing would be boring.
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Before this gets out of hand, we are not having a ZPM onboard and we are not likely to have one at any point in the RP.

Be happy we have Asgard beams and an Asgard core. Those are hard enough to balance as it is.
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Before this gets out of hand, we are not having a ZPM onboard and we are not likely to have one at any point in the RP.Be happy we have Asgard beams and an Asgard core. Those are hard enough to balance as it is.


*any point in the RP*
*looks at endgame in the future using powers*
*see's giant ass Lucian controlled, Wraith/Goa'uld/EVERY THING BAD fleet of Ancient ships*

We will one day enjoy this decision
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Before this gets out of hand, we are not having a ZPM onboard and we are not likely to have one at any point in the RP.

Be happy we have Asgard beams and an Asgard core. Those are hard enough to balance as it is.


I brought it up before we started talking about the ZPM and Sep said that the ship didn't havd an Asgard Core.

So this is confirmation, we have a human made recreation of the Asgard systems installed in the last episode of SG-1
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Yep Gravity, endgame we will all die horrifically.... xD

And Seraph, what we don't have is the Asgard knowledgebase core that Odyssey has. We do have the Asgard tech needed to power beam weapons, among other things. There is some ambiguity as to what the term 'Asgard core' actually means here I think. Sep will explain precisely what we have when he is next online.
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Just to be clear when people have been saying "Asgard Core" They're talking about the standard tech aboard sips like the Daedalus, Apollo, Odyssey, and Sun Tzu that allow operations of the Asgard beam weapon, beaming technology and hyperdrive?

Okay when I've been saying it I meant a human made version of the knowledge bank given to the Odyssey. Nothing that powerful of course but an interface of that style that regulates the ships systems.
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From what we've been able to research forth, there is no such thing as a stripped-down asgard core. There is having an asgard core, and there is not having one. No partials.

Removing one bit form it, will cripple other bits. For a warship designed to go into hot situations where it might be at risk, there might be reason to skip having a full core, but it could just as well have a powerful self-destruct built into the memory banks to keep information out of wrong hands.

Tau'ri may know more than a little about Asgard tech, but there is still a lot that is far beyond them. Much like the database of the ancients was unimaginably far beyond the Asgard.

Till we see lore-based proof that they've managed to build an asgard core that wasn't flawed yet had removed the knowledge of the Asgard, we'll treat the ship core as the same as the one on the Hammond and on the Odyssey. Probably with more intricate security systems to prevent abuse, but even these will probably have work-arounds.

And if you're thinking of suddenly removing the core, Sep.... That is beyond illogical on a research vessel. We may joke about using the core for all sorts of DEM tasks (Deus Ex Machina), but we'd not actually do it. Using DEM is boring and shows that a real solution wasn't bothered with. Pretty sure most others here feel the same.

By this time, the ships will be built with the core inside them from the start. Its less time-consuming than post-construction retrofit, and it'll make a better ship in the end, as you won't need to remove/replace half the systems to get it in right. Its possible that even the Apollo and the Daedalus have cores by now, but that isn't specified anywhere we could find, so we'll go with that those don't. Maybe to keep the risk of Asgard knowledge falling into wraith hands at minimum. They would really not want them to gain any science even remotely related to the intergalactic hyperdrive tech, which would certainly be in the core.

Its one thing to have the knowledge available. Quite another to be able to navigate it easily or even use it without deadly mishaps.

There's two things we feel the ship should not have:
ZPM: There's few of these, and the dedicated warships & such need them more than a research vessel.
Cloak: Even with years to study the Odyssey cloak that Daniel-Merlin added, they probably don't understand enough about it to duplicate it.

As for balancing out the enemies like the Lucians:
This is simple. The goa'uld hardly ever innovated much from Ptah's original ship specs. When they did, they kept their improvements so secret that most would die with their creator. Only those with knowledge beyond that of the goa'uld (I.E. Anubis) were able to implement major stuff, and quite a bit of that was lost with him.
Humans on the other hand, be they Tau'ri or not, tend to be quite innovative. And there's a number of sources for tech out in the galaxy that could balance the scales somewhat. It doesn't matter much what the source is, so long as it gives a trace if a balance.

When it comes to ensuring that people don't go for the lazy stuff like metagaming, trust the players to police each other, then slap the ones that don't get in line.
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Why don't we just............ knock her out, and then stick the needles in?

Again, rhetorical question
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Why don't we just............ knock her out, and then stick the needles in?Again, rhetorical question


Cause that would be too easy...
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Do you think its a good idea to offend/insult the bioweapons expert?
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Well I'm back guys! And lol, gotta love the doctors XD
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Well I'm back guys! And lol, gotta love the doctors XD


Indeed, it was fun and had to bring Dr. Niven just to break the two up... :P
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They're both ridiculously stubborn.
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Do you think its a good idea to offend/insult the bioweapons expert?


Yes.
Because Physics > Bio booooooooo
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Ellri said
They're both ridiculously stubborn.


Joseph is like a starving dog with a bone and that's a fact. Besides, I can just see what he's like if he ever goes on a mission outside the ship... XD
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