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The answer is that there is no active, government-sponsored persecution of a muggle-born, just as there is no official persecution in Russia. Western Wizards may well speculate about how far there is a culture of persecution and how far the laws encourage this, but, as I said, it's not as though there's death camps or anything. The atmosphere that I'm going for is one of a country that may or may not be on the brink of turning into something much uglier. As a cultural thing, I might suggest that the people from Germany vastly downplay the number of muggle-borns in their country (think how the Mayor of Sochi asserted that there were no gay people in that town).The marginalisation is subtle and difficult to quantify, since the governmental involvement is barely more than passive.

I can't help but be reminded that there was a large press interest (especially from the Daily Mail) in the UK about the developments in Nazi Germany, and general support for their direction. I like to think that (remember how Voldemort was never officially back) Thicknesse's government was only seen to be one of strong leadership, with clear direction in domestic and internal policies by the Germans. The ethnic cleansing bit isn't really noticed that much beyond the feeling of the United Kingdom's magical community feeling a lot prouder and a lot more united. Essentially, rose-tinted goggles and general ignorance. I certainly don't think the Germans would care much for Shacklebolt's touchy-feely, wishy-washy, namby-pampy nanny state government at all.
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:) I like the first paragraph, but the second one lost me. Yes, Voldemort was never officially Minister of Magic, but after the fact there HAD to be books written and interviews with the remaining Order members and Harry and all those people, in which they would very emphatically say, "Yes, Voldemort was in charge the whole time! Thicknesse was a puppet, completely controlled by means of the Imperius Curse." And I'm sure that would get international attention. Maybe not as much in this conservative Germany, I'll give you that, but enough that the International Confederation of Wizards would know (and be appalled that a Dark wizard such as he managed to take over a prominent wizarding country).

Anyway, now I truly understand where you're coming from. Marginalization, not discrimination. Well-meaning fear mixed with ignorance and more than a hint of pride and superiority. Not a second coming of the Germany of Grindelwald, but perhaps, over time, given the right conditions... it's hard to say. I like it.
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Imperfectionist said Anyway, now I truly understand where you're coming from. Marginalization, not discrimination. Well-meaning fear mixed with ignorance and more than a hint of pride and superiority. Not a second coming of the Germany of Grindelwald, but perhaps, over time, given the right conditions... it's hard to say. I like it.


I spent a lot of time looking at the marginalisation of the LGBT community in Russia and wondering when they'd actually do something completely psychotic*. I kind of want to capture that feel.

* I have to be honest, an invasion did surprise me.
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I keep thinking, throughout all of this, why not make it Russia? I understand that you know more about Germany, but really, you're just using it as a proxy for your obvious opinions about the current state of modern Russia... What would really be the problem with getting rid of the proxy and simply making our "conservative ally that's also pretty scary" (and marginalizes Muggle-borns) Russia to begin with?

EDIT: Wow, I say "just" way too much... Edited.
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I keep thinking, throughout all of this, why not make it Russia? I understand that you know more about Germany, but really, you're just using it as a proxy for your obvious opinions about the current state of modern Russia... What would really be the problem with getting rid of the proxy and simply making our "conservative ally that's also pretty scary" (and marginalizaes Muggle-borns) Russia to begin with?EDIT: Wow, I say "just" way too much... Edited.


I take the point, but when we're talking about fictional versions of places, I think it stops mattering where the geographical original was - just as how JK's blatant allegory for Nazi Germany still totally worked set in a fictional version of the UK in book 7. I doubt many people scratched their chins and wondered why it wasn't set in Germany! If I could set it in Russia, I probably would, but I feel like my general knowledge about Germany will enable me to play a much more realistic character and, certainly, having be able to mutter a bit in German will be a definite plus (for me, maybe >:D)! On a side-note, it does help that Germany has a little bit of cultural heritage (presumably some involvement with Grindelwald) in canon, while Russia has a big fat nothin'.
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:) Fair enough. I could go into timelines and historical reference vs. a modern state as proxy of a different modern state, but I don't think I will. Obviously, it will be more fun for you to play Johann as-is, and I can't argue with that.

Now I can get to planning how Emma's going to react to all of this. :P She thinks that wizarding Britain is too stuffy and conservative, for Christ's sake!
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In other news, here's a re-vamped James, featuring a total name chance.



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I like this new not-James. All the outward appearance of just your average Hogwarts student, person in general really, but has those couple of quirks that make him stand out.

Also his mother memory-wiping herself was great! Pity not that many Muggle-Borns followed her lead.
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I like this new not-James. All the outward appearance of just your average Hogwarts student, person in general really, but has those couple of quirks that make him stand out.Also his mother memory-wiping herself was great! Pity not that many Muggle-Borns followed her lead.


Cheers dude. I think he needs a few tweaks still; I kind of wanted him to have some darker undertones which haven't come through as strongly as I might have liked. We don't really have any manipulative or straight-up villainous characters (yet?!) but I think if we did, his weaknesses would be better exposed.
Long-term, his mother probably wouldn't have survived. She was just mildly harder to find than other muggle-borns - if Vloddermor had had more time, he'd have tracked her down eventually.
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Doctor Belasco said
Cheers dude. I think he needs a few tweaks still; I kind of wanted him to have some darker undertones which haven't come through as strongly as I might have liked. We don't really have any manipulative or straight-up villainous characters (yet?!) but I think if we did, his weaknesses would be better exposed.Long-term, his mother probably wouldn't have survived. She was just mildly harder to find than other muggle-borns - if Vloddermor had had more time, he'd have tracked her down eventually.


Just how dark were you trying to make him? Like, I torture bugs when nobody's around dark, or wanting to learn the Dark Arts to better defend against them type of thing? I think his Grey Jedi view of Magic alone would get some awkward glances from this uber conservative society Wizardkind generally lives in that seems to have a rather generic view of "Good" Magic and "Evil" Magic.

I wouldn't say that, true, she probably didn't remove her name from the big book of Magic babies, but is there any real way to know a person is Muggle-Born outside of family trees? I'm not sure if the Ministry or whoever keeps documentation of that kind of thing, only the really racist(?)/Fascist(?) families like the Blacks and Malfoys seem to keep detailed records of family marriages, Squib births, so on, so forth.

On a slightly less important note, and I only ask this "Because Quidditch", in what year did Michael become a Chaser? I only ask because Logan could've potentially been captain at the time, and was probably at least the starting Seeker. Also now all we need is a Hufflepuff Character who played Beater and we'll have our own little Quidditch Gang, screw that Slyhterin guy, we don't like him.
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Fuck Slytherin. Nazis.

I didn't want dark-dark, but it would be nice to have that Shakespearian feel where the audience can see they're probably going to go disastrously wrong but nobody else can see it. And, in terms of Quidditch, I'll go with whatever works best for you, so long as Logan wasn't the captain that gave him a spot. Michael would've smelled nepotism a mile off and withdrawn.

PS: I'm so glad I don't have to keep checking to spell Eghoeoeanghean's name. Logan's much easier. :P
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Doctor Belasco said Fuck Slytherin. Nazis.


God, why do we have to travel with one? Make sure to make him feel as ostracized as possible.

Doctor Belasco said I didn't want dark-dark, but it would be nice to have that Shakespearean feel where the audience can see they're probably going to go disastrously wrong but nobody else can see it.


Hmm....maybe I haven't read enough Shakespearean works.

Doctor Belasco said IAnd, in terms of Quidditch, I'll go with whatever works best for you, so long as Logan wasn't the captain that gave him a spot. Michael would've smelled nepotism a mile off and withdrawn.


So somewhere in-between Second and Fifth Year. Simple enough to say Third, which is the year Logan became a starter. *Thumbs up*

Doctor Belasco said IPS: I'm so glad I don't have to keep checking to spell Eghoeoeanghean's name. Logan's much easier. :P


Give another read-through of Eo-Logan's sheet, he actually told people to call him Logan because people kept butchering his actual name.
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Sloth said Give another read-through of Eo-Logan's sheet, he actually told people to call him Logan because people kept butchering his actual name.


Expect Michael to do this mercilessly. >:D
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Ah, I like him! Just the kind of person Emma would seek out.

:) If they have any kind of prior history, I bet they taught each other quite a bit. Emma really is supposed to be closer to the "core" of magic than most people, hence the aptitude for wandless spells and rituals and that kind of thing, but it's more intuitive, more instinctual, while Michael is the colder, methodical, sciency type. So, his perspectives on the nature of magic could have been broadened from his conversations with and observations of her, while her understanding of how she does what she does, and what magic really is would be fostered in return!

Does that sound plausible to you?
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Ah, I him! Just the kind of person Emma would seek out.:) If they have any kind of prior history, I bet they taught each other quite a bit. Emma really is supposed to be closer to the "core" of magic than most people, hence the aptitude for wandless spells and rituals and that kind of thing, but it's more intuitive, more instinctual, while Michael is the colder, methodical, sciency type. So, his perspectives on the nature of magic could have been broadened from his conversations with and observations of her, while her understanding of she does what she does, and what magic really would be fostered in return!


I think they may have tried an official mutual learning system, but I don't think it would have worked for Emma or Michael. He works by breaking everything down into its constituent parts and taking each individually, which is a slow and tedious process, and I doubt Emma would be able to sit through it. Apart from anything else, he's quite quiet about his research, not least because it involves breaking into the dark arts, which is obviously not cool (if only there were a member of the group with a strong grounding in the dark arts... It's almost like I've planned this). That said, he may well have a fascination with her magic and pay attention slightly more subtly, while agreeing, if that's what she wanted, to a certain degree of tuition.
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His theory isn't all about the Dark Arts, though. I mean, that's the point, isn't it? That there are no "Dark Arts", just magic. You say he's quite friendly, so apart from keeping his indiscretions secret, what problem would he have with casually discussing the results of his research with someone who was genuinely interested?

It's fine, if you'd prefer having no prior interaction, but I think there's some real potential here.
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His theory isn't about the Dark Arts, though. I mean, that's the point, isn't it? That there are no "Dark Arts", just magic. You say he's quite friendly, so apart from keeping his indiscretions secret, what problem would he have with casually discussing the of his research with someone who was genuinely interested?


You're right - he'd just keep quiet about that part. I'm just not sure what Emma gets out of it or how they really found out about each other's oddnesses.
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I don't know, Belasco, just forget the whole thing. I don't think I've been in a very thoughful mood tonight. I don't usually argue about things this much...

Yeah, I'm gonna go to bed. I'll have a clearer head in the morning. Then I'll have a useful response.
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Just how dark were you trying to make him? Like, I torture bugs when nobody's around dark, or wanting to learn the Dark Arts to better defend against them type of thing? I think his Grey Jedi view of Magic alone would get some awkward glances from this uber conservative society Wizardkind generally lives in that seems to have a rather generic view of "Good" Magic and "Evil" Magic. I wouldn't say that, true, she probably didn't remove her name from the big book of Magic babies, but is there any real way to know a person is Muggle-Born outside of family trees? I'm not sure if the Ministry or whoever keeps documentation of that kind of thing, only the really racist(?)/Fascist(?) families like the Blacks and Malfoys seem to keep detailed records of family marriages, Squib births, so on, so forth.On a slightly less important note, and I only ask this "Because Quidditch", in what year did Michael become a Chaser? I only ask because Logan could've potentially been captain at the time, and was probably at least the starting Seeker.


wouldn't this interfere with Dale's position as chaser in her 6th and 7th year? Or should I set her as a beater?

I also like your ideas about Germany, Dr. Belasco. I also think that Nymia would get along well with Michael, considering her own experiments with the Dark Arts and dark magic. Although, it concentrates more on the objects and how they can be tampered with using Muggle technology. Furthermore, she also likes that slow process of breaking everything down to figure it all out. I also noticed that he smokes. I guess we have two smokers now! ^_^
I just finished looking Adams over and like your changes. I didn't see anything wrong so CS accepted. Just let me know when you intend on tweaking him a bit more.

Btw Imp, could you explain the Hedge magic a bit more. Or send me a link if it is based off of something?
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wouldn't this interfere with Dale's position as chaser in her 6th and 7th year? Or should I set her as a beater?


Dale's sheet says she was a keeper, no? though how lucky it was for her to show up right when Hufflepuff won back to back cups. She must've been the missing piece.

Though I'd prefer she stay a keeper, I won't complain if you put her at chaser, I just found it neat how Logan, Dale, Michael, and Grant occupied all Quidditch positions, with Johann no doubt becoming the second beater of the group whenever we meet up with him.
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