Yog Sothoth said
I'm calling bullshit on you saying I'm terrible at articulating myself. the Africa and Middle East part theory could happen, you never know. once again I don't share your opinion and you insult me for it. hypocrite much?

You call bullshit? Sure. I present Article 1 of Evidence you're incabable of properly articulating yourself.

Yog Sothoth said
interesting post, but it won't matter, atheism will be gone in about fifty years when the populations shift and Africa and the middle east become the dominant powers. religion has seen worse than most people can imagine and it's still here, so regardless of how much atheists insult or argue, faith and belief come naturally to us, it has been proven. also since when does something always have to be fact to be the right course of action? no one can make an absolute prediction, also science is mostly guess work and not always correct. religion is asking for people to trust in it and have belief in it. we as a species put faith in each other to do the right thing and are never always sure what the outcome of a decision is. my opinion, evolution is still believed because it has yet to be disproved, but for all we know it could be disproved in the next ten years. before you guys jump on me and call me a religious moron like many atheist jerks do, I'm not religious, I'm a philosopher and i laugh at how hypocritical atheists are nowadays by calling people stupid and retarded. it proves how hateful human beings who don't truly understand knowledge are and just use it to feel superior.

We have zero counts of sentences properly beginning with capital letters.
We have multiple counts of large run-on sentences.
We have multiple counts of criminal abuse of a comma.
We have numerous accounts of baseless supposition.

Oh yes. And the PRIMARY piece of said evidence.

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Darog the Badger God said
I don't think you understand how Science works. Don't worry, I wouldn't call you an idiot for it, just terribly misinformed.

a good amount of science has to do with educated guesswork and trying to prove it to be fact. look at paleontology, that is mostly guesswork and is never truly proven to be fact, and that is a form of science. are you suggesting that science is always fact and never involves any sort of guesswork? my whole point is that at the end of the day both religious and non-religious people have tendencies to be assholes to one another, and claim to want the right to an opinion but insult others who don't share their opinion.

Darog the Badger God said
I don't think you understand how Science works. Don't worry, I wouldn't call you an idiot for it, just terribly misinformed.

a good amount of science has to do with educated guesswork and trying to prove it to be fact. look at paleontology, that is mostly guesswork and is never truly proven to be fact, and that is a form of science. are you suggesting that science is always fact and never involves any sort of guesswork? my whole point is that at the end of the day both religious and non-religious people have tendencies to be assholes to one another, and claim to want the right to an opinion but insult others who don't share their opinion.

Darog the Badger God said
I don't think you understand how Science works. Don't worry, I wouldn't call you an idiot for it, just terribly misinformed.

a good amount of science has to do with educated guesswork and trying to prove it to be fact. look at paleontology, that is mostly guesswork and is never truly proven to be fact, and that is a form of science. are you suggesting that science is always fact and never involves any sort of guesswork? my whole point is that at the end of the day both religious and non-religious people have tendencies to be assholes to one another, and claim to want the right to an opinion but insult others who don't share their opinion.

Double post 8D

Yog Sothoth said
a good amount of science has to do with educated guesswork and trying to prove it to be fact. look at paleontology, that is mostly guesswork and is never truly proven to be fact, and that is a form of science. are you suggesting that science is always fact and never involves any sort of guesswork? my whole point is that at the end of the day both religious and non-religious people have tendencies to be assholes to one another, and claim to want the right to an opinion but insult others who don't share their opinion.

You forget that a lot of scientific research /does/ become fact, like Newton's Laws of physics, and gravity. Opinion =/= fact.

Please don't think that way, this is why people call you stupid.

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Yog Sothoth said
a good amount of science has to do with educated guesswork and trying to prove it to be fact. look at paleontology, that is mostly guesswork and is never truly proven to be fact, and that is a form of science. are you suggesting that science is always fact and never involves any sort of guesswork? my whole point is that at the end of the day both religious and non-religious people have tendencies to be assholes to one another, and claim to want the right to an opinion but insult others who don't share their opinion.

I'm not suggesting it as always fact, but scientific research DOES become fact, until proven otherwise. Then it changes if it's disproved. While I do agree that both parties can be assholes to one another, you forget one simply /fact/. facts =/= opinions.

Don't worry, everyone is new to this at first.

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Yog Sothoth said
a good amount of science has to do with educated guesswork and trying to prove it to be fact. look at paleontology, that is mostly guesswork and is never truly proven to be fact, and that is a form of science. are you suggesting that science is always fact and never involves any sort of guesswork? my whole point is that at the end of the day both religious and non-religious people have tendencies to be assholes to one another, and claim to want the right to an opinion but insult others who don't share their opinion.

He didn't suggest anything of the sort Yog. He just said you don't really understand science, and that's not a crime, or an insult. He's just stating you likely don't understand how something works. That's fine. There are plenty of things I don't understand, there are plenty of things he doesn't understand, plenty of things that people all over the planet don't understand. There is nothing wrong with not knowing something.

Nobody is doing that in this thread. Gwazi may have overreacted but he by no means wants to dehumanize religious people. He was one once, he's just angry about it. That's all. There's nothing wrong with anger and he came to his senses and pulled back when it was explained to him what he was doing wrong.

As for science... The scientific method at its core is really and truly this: To find physical evidence (as defined as being something observable, verifiable, repeatable, etc) and create a theory based upon that evidence. We found the fossils of dinosaurs, so we know they probably existed. The fine details may be out of our grasp, but we can get the crude idea of what they were like. The T-Rex for example has rows of sharp teeth: That's customary for a predatory animal. Ergo, the T-Rex was probably a carnivore.

Which is why Creationism is not a science and Paleotology is. Paleotology finds evidence and attempts to fit that into the puzzle to create a greater understanding of the world around us. Creationism starts with a premise, and tries to prove it... And fails every time.

Yog Sothoth said
a good amount of science has to do with educated guesswork and trying to prove it to be fact. look at paleontology, that is mostly guesswork and is never truly proven to be fact, and that is a form of science. are you suggesting that science is always fact and never involves any sort of guesswork? my whole point is that at the end of the day both religious and non-religious people have tendencies to be assholes to one another, and claim to want the right to an opinion but insult others who don't share their opinion.

He didn't suggest anything of the sort Yog. He just said you don't really understand science, and that's not a crime, or an insult. He's just stating you likely don't understand how something works. That's fine. There are plenty of things I don't understand, there are plenty of things he doesn't understand, plenty of things that people all over the planet don't understand. There is nothing wrong with not knowing something.

Nobody is doing that in this thread. Gwazi may have overreacted but he by no means wants to dehumanize religious people. He was one once, he's just angry about it. That's all. There's nothing wrong with anger and he came to his senses and pulled back when it was explained to him what he was doing wrong.

As for science... The scientific method at its core is really and truly this: To find physical evidence (as defined as being something observable, verifiable, repeatable, etc) and create a theory based upon that evidence. We found the fossils of dinosaurs, so we know they probably existed. The fine details may be out of our grasp, but we can get the crude idea of what they were like. The T-Rex for example has rows of sharp teeth: That's customary for a predatory animal. Ergo, the T-Rex was probably a carnivore.

Which is why Creationism is not a science and Paleotology is. Paleotology finds evidence and attempts to fit that into the puzzle to create a greater understanding of the world around us. Creationism starts with a premise, and tries to prove it... And fails every time.

Kadaeux said
You call bullshit? Sure. I present Article 1 of Evidence you're incabable of properly articulating yourself.We have zero counts of sentences properly beginning with capital letters. We have multiple counts of large run-on sentences. We have multiple counts of criminal abuse of a comma.We have numerous accounts of baseless supposition.Oh yes. And the PRIMARY piece of said evidence.A giant block of text that should have been broken up into multiple paragraphs.

seriously? you're calling me not a philosopher because of your grammar Nazism? a philosopher is someone who studies philosophy, it doesn't say anywhere about grammar. the insult about my grammar is the sign of using bad tactics to win an argument.

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I still stand on my side, however,Imma just leave this here, back to the basics. The scientific method, if you so please. Both sides have an argument because it comes with guesses & fact. It depends on how you conduct your research & your results.

Kadaeux said
You call bullshit? Sure. I present Article 1 of Evidence you're incabable of properly articulating yourself.We have zero counts of sentences properly beginning with capital letters. We have multiple counts of large run-on sentences. We have multiple counts of criminal abuse of a comma.We have numerous accounts of baseless supposition.Oh yes. And the PRIMARY piece of said evidence.A giant block of text that should have been broken up into multiple paragraphs.

seriously? you're calling me not a philosopher because of your grammar Nazism? a philosopher is someone who studies philosophy, it doesn't say anywhere about grammar. the insult about my grammar is the sign of using bad tactics to win an argument.

Kadaeux said
You call bullshit? Sure. I present Article 1 of Evidence you're incabable of properly articulating yourself.We have zero counts of sentences properly beginning with capital letters. We have multiple counts of large run-on sentences. We have multiple counts of criminal abuse of a comma.We have numerous accounts of baseless supposition.Oh yes. And the PRIMARY piece of said evidence.A giant block of text that should have been broken up into multiple paragraphs.

seriously? you're calling me not a philosopher because of your grammar Nazism? a philosopher is someone who studies philosophy, it doesn't say anywhere about grammar. the insult about my grammar is the sign of using bad tactics to win an argument.

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