Or you could have Gil offer help and in return the person he helps has to do what he says and be his servant. And it wouldn't be completely out of the question for Gil to help random people since he takes on the traits of the era he's summoned in, and since this is an alternate universe/timeline society might be a little kinder and he might do it on a whim.

Sorry to be burstin' some bubbles, but Servants don't take traits of the world they've been summoned in. They get knowledge of it, like how to speak modern languages, and some knowledge of culture and science so they can blend into society and not suffer crippling culture shock.

Plus, even if Gil was summoned in the modern age, he was summoned in the 1990s in-canon and was still an arrogant prat. I don't think a 10 year difference can see society change that much.

You can make it Shota Gil, he's pretty nice, but then he'd stop caring about the grail war.

I dont mean sevants in general. Gil is a special case and i got my information from the type moon wiki it self and here is an excerpt from it
"He is influenced by the era in which he is summoned, causing his blood as a human to stir and gravitate towards that of the humans of the era.[5] The consumption society of the early 2000s sullied his property, the world, so he is in a worse mood overall. Even with his personality, Gilgamesh was able to blend into the society without a problem.[8] While he will always retain his core self-centered traits, he will be more stable and like he was in life when summoned in a place without any alteration like the Moon Cell.[10] He is quite different between the Fourth and Fifth Holy Grail Wars due to his priorities. He simply enjoys the events of the Fourth, but the Fifth is utilized to fulfill his goals of making humankind worth governing and coercing Saber to become his bride. Kinoko Nasu describes the variation in his personality as the "prideful Boss King of Heroes" and the "not very prideful Horny King of Heroes."" -http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Gilgamesh

Also as squall said this is and alternate version so society could be diferent from how it was in the original stay night

Eh? The only difference was "I have a Saber to look forward to, I want to sex it while licking up its tears", which was the fifth war, and in the fourth it was "I AM A PRIDEFUL KING THE BEST THERE EVER WAS". His personality just mellows slightly or goes into full I want to kill you consumerist pigs depending on where he's summoned at.

His most mellow is the moon cell but that won't really be replicatable here. He's pretty amiable there, at least by Gilgamesh standards.

Oh yea, what city is this happening in? I had presumed Fuyuki, but I just want to double check.

Edit: BTW that wiki is wrong a lot, so never trust it. Ironically(?) the French TM wiki is probably the most accurate of all the TM wikis, the Japanese one has weird fandom stuff in it sometimes so I've stopped trusting it. Just use the source material and interviews, I can prolly backup anything I say with either if you like, it's just a bother to do.

I know his personality wouldn't change that much but i thought i'd bring it up to give squall more options

Hmmmmmm well without Saber he'd be more arrogant and Fate/Zero like, but it just depends on whats happened to him in the past HGW and what this setting is. It is a good idea though, because setting can really change a lot in the HGW.

BTW, on top of my previous question, will there be a human moderator in this Grail War?

I still haven't decided who my master will summon...

I feel like somebody should contact the people who haven't posted OOC in a while, to make sure they're still around now that this is almost ready to launch.

Unfortunately, I am going to leave this roleplay, for a few reasons. One of which is that my character is completely O.C. and I have found out that, that means he would be quite weak in the roleplay and in the description about assassins it says he has weaker combat skills to begin with... So yes, I would think super weak servant wouldn't be fun to play. (Forgive me if I'm wrong.)

The other reason about why I'm leaving, was about the ridiculous amount of ridicule about O.C. characters, which unless I'm mistaken is going to continue even more, then it already has.

It was nice to be accepted in the roleplay. And understanding that I was accepted, as an O.C. servant and the above point about him being weak should have stopped all this ranting about O.C characters, but it didn't.... I mean now was the time to pick apart the accepted characters like mine and whoever else was O.C. in the roleplay to deal with those characters and make them to be proper legendary or historical heroes. This also didn't happen. Instead a general rant ensued...

With the continued bringing up of, "how o.c. characters don't belong and/or how they're wrong."
To me it seemed like kicking a dead horse. Again and again and again.

Tatsua Aiisen said
I think this has reached the point where I may no longer be able to tolerate all of the OC's. It's hard enough for me to be in Free to begin with...

Tatsua Aiisen said
Overall, I have no intention of leaving quite yet, and I also don't really want to waste my time lecturing people on something that the GM seems to have no problem with.

Not even sure what your doing between these two posts.

No you didn't lecture people about it, you simply couldn't stop writing about it. And Again if somebody had a problem with O.C.'s (being my character is one) then let me know and I'd change it. Unfortunately instead the rant continued. -__- (see below.)

GuyYouWishYouDidntKnow said
What Tatsua's saying is that a Servant needs some historical/mythological grounding, they can't be entirely OCs. EMIYA was eligible because of Counter Guardian shenanigans, Rin's pendant, and things of that nature. Fake Assassin has a historical basis but never actually existed, so the Grail searched through the Akashic Record for a wraith most similar to the legend of Sasaki Kojiro and summoned that wraith, which only ever happened because he didn't have a real summoning. The point is that both EMIYA and Not!Kojiro had justifications for being summoned as Servants, completely "original" Servants don't work in the same way. They need to have existed historically or in legend, rather than being some legend you made up.Also Mjolnir doesn't work as his NP for a other reasons, but that comes secondary.

The post below was in response to the post above.

Tatsua Aiisen said
I had no idea how wonderful it felt to have somebody with a similar suite of knowledge knowledge in a sea of people without it. Until now. I love you~As this awesome fellow said, EMIYA is a complete anomaly resulting from a clusterfuck of extraordinary circumstances all coming together at a precise, unlikely moment during the fifth HF. Using him as an example isn't fair, he isn't in the same category as ordinary Servants to begin with.

BB said
Well then, since people seem to be having a debate over this, I think I'll take a chance to end this once and for all. Normally I wouldn't go this far, but I think just this once will be acceptable, for Tatsua's sake. Now, I'm going to explain why having custom OC servants is not only impossible, I'm also going to explain why it makes your original servants far weaker then even the most pathetic and obscure normal Heroic Spirit. Its been awhile since I've actually had to use quotes, but since I'm doing this, I'm going to do this right. A forewarning; this is not me questioning the admin of this roleplay. By all means, I respect Squalls authority and peoples have a right to have whatever kind of fun they want. Honestly, I don't really care which way this debate turns, nor do I honestly mind what decision is made. I am merely a wanderer who has found entertainment in what the outcome of this Holy Grail War could be.-That being said, I will say that what I'm about to say is all fully canon. To choose to ignore it is essentially wholly ignoring the universe, its canon, and its mechanics that say that this isn't possible, not only that, if it was the OC servant would be horrible. Still, this is your RP. Do as you please, and I do say this sincerely. It's your roleplay. You decide what's best for it and your roleplayers.Now then! I've drabbled on long enough, so I'll deliver my truths now.I'll pick every single argument apart and grind them all down until they're naught but dust. Sound kewl? Then lets begin.Alrighty folks! Here's the argument laid out nice and neat. I'll add a little spice to this one for the folks at home' even if this one is exceedingly easy.So then, lets start with "why OC servants make you weak". Well then we can already establish that inserting someone into history or legend who never existed there before won't work, because then you're just randomly making things up. So on a basis, that's already wrong, and I don't need to post quotes for that but hey, I will anyway.So you basically have to be a Hero who "achieved great deeds and were worshiped". Basically, famous people in the past; Hercules, Medusa, Medea, Alexander the Great, Napoleon, the list goes on. To actually make a "Heroic Spirit" you would have to make up a legend or historical person from scratch, and say they were a famous and known hero that I can enter into wikipedia right now and see if it was in the FSN universe.That takes anyone from the past completely off the table.Now, on to the future.You may ask "But BB sensei! Can't I just have a laser sword wielding space monk from the future as my Hero? Or perhaps a dual wielding SMG power armored clad FPS protagonist?"You'd be wrong, and this is why;Further, even if you could create such a Hero, you could not properly use them; As you can see you need a catalyst, and you won't have a catalyst if your servant is from the future.However, even if you do make a hero from the future, even if you do somehow magically summon them, there's the fact they're exceedingly weaker then even the weakest legitimate heroic spirit as;In other words, their fighting ability is low, and you get no Noble Phantasms to use. In other words, you're pathetically weak.You make me proud.I can give up my slot as Berserkers master to you, however if I do I would like to use one of the alternate classes that the side story introduced, or a non master magus.

Ok, I've underlined some parts in this post, I'll reply to them: I'm going to say this again, if you had a problem with O.C. characters in the roleplay and apparently that they are impossible-then p.m. the person about that, instead of sharing your knowledge about them like this. (You say that your just a wanderer, if that is the case then a wanderer who has a lot to say), which serves no real purpose, because by this point, in the O.C., with all the discussion about this, the point about o.c. characters being relevant or not relevant is already made clear.

Ok, also if it's the G.M's roleplay then by respecting that, maybe you should refrain from saying to ignore my writing about the universe is against the universe. Because it just seems over the top and not necessary to write stuff like that.

If anyone has any comments or questions or issues with this post, feel free to let me know. I will solve them the best that I can. I will still watch this roleplay as it seems awesome. Also thanks for reading this post, whether you agree with me or not.

Gareth said
Unfortunately, I am going to leave this roleplay, for a few reasons. One of which is that my character is completely O.C. and I have found out that, that means he would be quite weak in the roleplay and in the description about assassins it says he has weaker combat skills to begin with... So yes, I would think super weak servant wouldn't be fun to play. (Forgive me if I'm wrong.)The other reason about why I'm leaving, was about the ridiculous amount of ridicule about O.C. characters, which unless I'm mistaken is going to continue even more, then it already has. It was nice to be accepted in the roleplay. And understanding that I was accepted, as an O.C. servant and the above point about him being weak should have stopped all this ranting about O.C characters, but it didn't.... I mean now was the time to pick apart the accepted characters like mine and whoever else was O.C. in the roleplay to deal with those characters and make them to be proper legendary or historical heroes. This also didn't happen. Instead a general rant ensued... With the continued bringing up of, "how o.c. characters don't belong and/or how they're wrong."To me it seemed like kicking a dead horse. Again and again and again. Not even sure what your doing between these two posts.No you didn't lecture people about it, you simply couldn't stop writing about it. And Again if somebody had a problem with O.C.'s (being my character is one) then let me know and I'd change it. Unfortunately instead the rant continued. -__- (see below.)The post below was in response to the post above. Ok, I've underlined some parts in this post, I'll reply to them: I'm going to say this again, if you had a problem with O.C. characters in the roleplay and apparently that they are impossible-then p.m. the person about that, instead of sharing your knowledge about them like this. (You say that your just a wanderer, if that is the case then a wanderer who has a lot to say), which serves no real purpose, because by this point, in the O.C., with all the discussion about this, the point about o.c. characters being relevant or not relevant is already made clear. Ok, also if it's the G.M's roleplay then by respecting that, maybe you should refrain from saying to ignore my writing about the universe is against the universe. Because it just seems over the top and not necessary to write stuff like that. If anyone has any comments or questions or issues with this post, feel free to let me know. I will solve them the best that I can. I will still watch this roleplay as it seems awesome. Also thanks for reading this post, whether you agree with me or not.

I had no absolutely no problems with OC servants, and if Squall chooses he can say "They're on equal grounds to non OC servants". I'm fine with that, it's his roleplay, his rules. As you read in my post, I don't mind what happens, I don't mind if OC servants exist or don't exist. I simply laid down the facts to completely settle the debate so there's no more "Are OC servants okay" arguments.

They're not. That's the canon truth; OC servants aren't usable, and are weak.

However RPs are for fun thus it up to Squall to say if he's going to make them equal to normal servants or not, and if he's going to allow them, which he can do. It's his RP, his rules, etc.

I'm a wanderer, but also a participant of this RP, and I voiced my opinion as I didn't want people constantly fighting over this. They were allowed to voice their opinion and back and forth it, so I wanted a chance to play my part just as they did.

Believe me, I'm completely neutral. Doesn't matter either way to me.

OC servants would be of equal standing as with regular servants cause this is of course not canon and is a alternate universe meaning there is different history besides having to guess how powerful each servant is due to how well known they are would be kinda too high of a standard for a simple rp ^^' so I'm just not going to include that. Also to stop any further arguement on the oc servant's not going to happen (not talking bout you BB I understand you were just providing canon info) we understand that oc servants wouldn't work but at the same time you gotta understand this is a rp and a not canon one at that so its obviously going to break some canon rules.and Gil is prettty similar to how he was in Fate/Zero but he also will do things differently or the same as he did before so he may "help" out some people just cause he feels like it but at the same time he might decide he wants to hinder them. As for the location of the rp I haven't decided if it would be the same or not but I'm leaning towards the same location just cause people will know where things are and won't have to learn a new location for the rp but I may also just put this up to a vote a few other locations I was thinking of are London, England, Paris, France, or Las Vegas, America just cause if there was a new location I'd want it to be somewhere people would know of at least a tiny bit

Squall, I shot you a PM

Already sent you one back

Uhhuu~ We could do Tokyo, Fate/Prototype was involved with that.

Then again the canon location has maps and such.

Tokyo works too as I said we'll probably do a vote for the location

Alright, I'll wait till we vote then~

What slots still need to be filled?

if no one has left none since the only open slot is Assassin's Master and Tatsua would fill that with her master

So BB is the Beserker Class Master spot holder?

IF true, shouldn't we collaborate via pm?

Already PM'd you.

Alright lets do the vote here are the locations I was thinking of or by suggestion
Same setting as the anime
London, England
Paris, France
Tokyo, Japan
Las Vegas, Nevada, USA
or Other
The vote will end when either everyone has voted or a week has gone by
Also I am looking for suggestions on how this rp should start I do got a basic set up but I am curious how you guys should think we should start this rp