I hear that Legolas shows up in the new Hobbit movie for some reason.
Seriously, dufuq?

Voltaire said
I hear that Legolas shows up in the new Hobbit movie for some reason. Seriously, dufuq?

It actually kinda makes sense, the way they justify it.

His father has long been established as the King of Mirkwood, and they added a LOT of stuff to the Hobbit movies that weren't in the books. It's seriously the only case I've seen an adaptation of a book where there's more in the movies than there is in the book. Pretty cool.

But Legolas actually seems like he fits well in the narrative and he's such a dick this time around, it's kind of an interesting change. XD

In fact some of what happens, mostly the stuff to do with gandalf, is not adaptation but story originally from Tolkien. The book The Hobbit focuses on events entirely from Bilbo's perspective, but he did write other things for the time during which the Hobbit took place, one of which was a brief story about the events surrounding the Necromancer (Sauron) and his rise and fall.

Radagasts involvement was not originally in that story, but I think they did a good job putting him in, and at the very least it gave Gandalf someone to interact with.

Dervish said
It actually kinda makes sense, the way they justify it.His father has long been established as the King of Mirkwood, and they added a LOT of stuff to the Hobbit movies that weren't in the books. It's seriously the only case I've seen an adaptation of a book where there's more in the movies than there is in the book. Pretty cool.But Legolas actually seems like he fits well in the narrative and he's such a dick this time around, it's kind of an interesting change. XD

A dick huh? Now I'm interested... thank god for context.

I wonder if they're gonna come up with a plot reason as to the change in his demeanor between trilogies.

Voltaire said
A dick huh? Now I'm interested... thank god for context.I wonder if they're gonna come up with a plot reason as to the change in his demeanor between trilogies.

He's younger and lives in an isolationist Kingdom that tends to hate dwarves, and the feeling is mutual. Keep in mind he didn't like Gimli at all when they first met. ;D

Dervish said
He's younger and lives in an isolationist Kingdom that tends to hate dwarves, and the feeling is mutual. Keep in mind he didn't like Gimli at all when they first met. ;D

Oh.
So he's racist.

Holy shit. I haven't read this much at once since some (EDIT:) IC (/EDIT) post from Mosis.

Okay, I know I'm late on this, but I was stuck at college.
Baelish shiz is interesting, much thanks on that. :]

Quick note: Yeah, GRR Martin didn't speak badly of the scene beyond his disappointment about the way it ended up disturbing, and I think he made an awesome intelligent response, but I wouldn't expect him to speak badly of the showrunners. Both because they're people (who he knows), and because it's bad business. No one wants to hire someone that actively gives 'em a bad image and poisons everything.

I don't know what the fuck is with the rape scene. It came out of no where, seemed wildly out of character, and made just for the sake of TV sensationalism (which is Soap Opera level shit, and the main reason I got pissed). It also seemed to make the whole redemption arc pointless. Sure, he didn't seem a full-on goody two shoes, but this is extreme. And why bother making him have such a huge thing against rape (involving others/himself) if he's gonna rape his lover-sister next to the corpse of his nephew-son? I kinda see the points for it, it makes more sense, but it still reads like a stretch to compensate the scene.

I've heard claims it's out of character because Jaime's chivalrous/extremely caring when it regards his sister, and regretted the rape of another female character because he couldn't do anything to stop it (standing right there). Not sure if that's true. The book's thing comes off as a grayish consensual (rape/potentially rape at the start), but it mostly reads like Cersei's bullshitting (or genuinely expressing worry) in fear they get caught, before encouraging Jaime. It didn't seem like she was accepting rape. I know the books often vary in interpretation, but GRR Martin seems to be confirming it wasn't rape in the way the show was.

There were a lot of people saying it was supposed to be grayish consensual like the book, and the show just fucked up badly. Tried looking it up and got different results. Here's one thing:

(*) When I interviewed Alex Graves about "The Lion and the Rose," we also spoke briefly about the Jaime/Cersei scene and about how the encounter starts out as Jaime forcing himself on her, then turns into something else. This is what he said:

"Well, it becomes consensual by the end, because anything for them ultimately results in a turn-on, especially a power struggle[...]"

This place says he stated it was rape/forced sex, before said interview. I'm assuming they mean Graves was talking flat out rape. Not positive.
Jaime's actor said, "yes and no" on the question of rape, that Cersei gives in at points and fights at others.

In the show, it read as flat out rape, no consensual part at any point.

I like the book's thing better, way better. And I don't get why they didn't add Cersei encouraging (or not saying no) Jaime if it was supposed to be consensual at some point. That said, I would accept the new shit if it went somewhere. Otherwise, it was a waste of time on a show that has too little time for its cast.

Also, racist asshole Legolas was hilarious. Particularly the family photo bit.

Also, I should clarify, this whole thing doesn't bug me in a deep, personal way. I don't think GoT's wrong for having a rape scene, period, and I'm not worried about the portrayal of women on the show because one chick experienced rape or risk thereof. I just think the execution was bad and potentially done for stupid reasons.

Also, Voltaire, I fixed that context problem for you. :]

God dammit Tick, I just noticed the update to your sig. You are one sadistic motherfucker.

Voltaire said
God dammit Tick, I just noticed the update to your sig. You are one sadistic motherfucker.

Brb dying

Voltaire said
God dammit Tick, I just noticed the update to your sig. You are one sadistic motherfucker.

You inspired me. :D
You dishonor the honor of sig-station. Voltin had to sacrifice that honor for you. Ingrate. :[

EDIT: Dammit guys. I keep getting late shocks at the realization that there's another post. I'm too used to OOC updates.

can't breath
that sig
thank you tick for making my late night. xD

EDIT: But you realize what this betrayal means, right? REMOVAL FROM MY OWN SIG! BWAHAHA

Voltin said
can't breaththat sigthank you tick for making my late night. xDEDIT: But you realize what this betrayal means, right? REMOVAL FROM MY OWN SIG! BWAHAHA

Welcome. :D It was hard to pass up realizing the potential of Voltaire's post.

NOOOOOoooooooooooo. my sig fame
Welp, I s'pose it had to happen eventually. Has a solid Book-Ends feel, now.

I'll keep this conversation between Tanya and Mark going. Hopefully she won't blow herself up in the process of trying to refabricate Shithead.

DO ET.

Can I join this roleplay? I'm not sure if you guys are still expanding your membergroup anymore.

We'll have to check with the others, as we have taken on 3 new plsyers over the past month. I want to say that we still have room for one or two more people if they're good fits that'll help bring this game some life. So I say whip up a sheet!

If it ends up happening and we're too big, the problem's easy to solve: split people up. Just make sure that everyone has someone to interact with. :P That was the main problem last time for a few peeps.

Gaia - Yeah, feel free to throw a CS our way. :]

Tick said
Holy shit. I haven't read this much at once since some (EDIT:) IC (/EDIT) post from Mosis.Okay, I know I'm late on this, but I was stuck at college.Baelish shiz is interesting, much thanks on that. :]Quick note: Yeah, GRR Martin didn't speak badly of the scene beyond his disappointment about the it ended up disturbing, and I think he made an awesome intelligent response, but I wouldn't him to speak badly of the showrunners. Both because they're people (who he knows), and because it's bad business. No one wants to hire someone that actively gives 'em a bad image and poisons everything.I don't know what the fuck is with the rape scene. It came out of no where, seemed wildly out of character, and made just for the sake of TV sensationalism (which is Soap Opera level shit, and the main reason I got pissed). It also seemed to make the whole redemption arc pointless. Sure, he didn't seem a full-on goody two shoes, but this is extreme. And why bother making him have such a huge thing against rape (involving others/himself) if he's gonna rape his lover-sister next to the corpse of his nephew-son? I kinda see the points for it, it makes more sense, but it still reads like a stretch to compensate the scene.I've heard claims it's out of character because Jaime's chivalrous/extremely caring when it regards his sister, and regretted the rape of another female character because he couldn't do anything to stop it (standing right there). Not sure if that's true. The book's thing comes off as a grayish consensual (rape/potentially rape at the start), but it mostly reads like Cersei's bullshitting (or genuinely expressing worry) in fear they get caught, before encouraging Jaime. It didn't seem like she was accepting rape. I know the books often vary in interpretation, but GRR Martin seems to be confirming it wasn't rape in the way the show was.There were of people saying it was supposed to be grayish consensual like the book, and the show just fucked up badly. Tried looking it up and got different results. I'm assuming they mean Graves was talking flat out rape. Not positive., "yes and no" on the question of rape, that Cersei gives in at points and fights at others.In the show, it read as flat out rape, no consensual part at any point.I like the book's thing better, way better. And I don't get why they didn't add Cersei encouraging (or not saying no) Jaime if it was supposed to be consensual at some point. That said, I would accept the new shit if it went somewhere. Otherwise, it was a waste of time on a show that has too little time for its cast.

Calling Jaime "chivalrous" is like calling water "dry." I really think people give him too much credit: When he attempts to kill a child, no one bats an eye. When, in the show, he kills one of his own cousins just for a chance to escape the Northern army, no one seems to think it's out of character. He gets overcome with rage and lust and rapes the primary object of affection in his life, and suddenly people are up in arms. I mean yeah, he's certainly in the middle of a redemption arc, and he's done some fairly decent things recently...but all of those things have to do with Brienne, who he has slowly come to respect. He's a narcissist, just like every other member of the Lannisters; in fact, probably more so than any other of his family members. He's spent his entire life pining after his ideal woman (who is his identical twin...you can't get much more narcissistic than that), only to have that ideal come into contest as he slowly realizes just how disgusting Cersei is as well as having new ideals take root (Brienne, who embodies a woman who is honorable, and more importantly, strong and independent, qualities that Jaime admires). So now Cersei offers little emotional attraction, but he's still physically attracted to her. Hence, rape. He's a dude that's shown time and time again that he has no qualms getting his hands dirty in order to get what he wants, and this doesn't feel that much different.

Again, think it could've been handled better, but I don't think the scene was as outlandish as people think. As much as the audience likes to see him grow and develop as a character (and I'm no exception, he's very fun to watch/read), he's still an asshole.