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A theory that doesn't pin it all on Cat and/or Sansa? how can this be
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A theory that doesn't pin it all on Cat and/or Sansa? how can this be


It really is all Catelyn's fault, though. Mind you, it wasn't the stupidest thing she did, but that's only because she did a lot of stupid things.
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Nah, there are other things you could more accurately pin it on. That moment only really led to Stark involvement, but there would've likely been a succession war soon enough even without what came from that slap.

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Clearly the reason reason is because of the movie weird 30 minute youtube video theevan.



Look at it, all 5 sides of the war saw it, and was like "wtf is this?" all had some whackjob theory, and like every and all internet arguments, breaks out into complete hell, because no one is willing to think there theory is wrong, so they fight. - NatsumeHack's Whackjob theory about the moment that spawned the war of the five kings, with out ever watching or reading GoT.
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Nothing about my whackjob theory how evil!
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What about Mellisandre, Jorick? She may still have pushed Stannis toward the Iron Throne because of her belief that he is Azor Ahai reincarnated. If she managed to get her claws in deep enough, he may even have rebelled against Robert.
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What about Mellisandre, Jorick? She may still have pushed Stannis toward the Iron Throne because of her belief that he is Azor Ahai reincarnated. If she managed to get her claws in deep enough, he may even have rebelled against Robert.


I find this to be a bit doubtful, given how lawful Stannis is. Also, keep in mind his banner men used to be Robert's for the most part. He wouldn't have had enough bannermen to challenge Robert, and the rest of Westeros that was a part of Robert's Rebellion would have supported the king, not his usurper brother. You can see how well thst worked for the Greyjoys, and they had the largest fleet in Westeros.
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and that's assuming she *actually* believes he's Azor Azhai, too. Which...... I mean I'm all about my Stannis, you know that, but the red woman is crafty.
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*cough* John Snow will ride a dragon. Believe it.
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I find this to be a bit doubtful, given how lawful Stannis is. Also, keep in mind his banner men used to be Robert's for the most part. He wouldn't have had enough bannermen to challenge Robert, and the rest of Westeros that was a part of Robert's Rebellion would have supported the king, not his usurper brother. You can see how well thst worked for the Greyjoys, and they had the largest fleet in Westeros.

Granted.

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and that's assuming she *actually* believes he's Azor Azhai, too. Which...... I mean I'm all about my Stannis, you know that, but the red woman is crafty.


Another good point. I concede.
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*cough* John Snow will ride a dragon. Believe it.


If he survives, then my bet is on the three heads being Snow, Daenarys and Aegon.
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What about Mellisandre, Jorick? She may still have pushed Stannis toward the Iron Throne because of her belief that he is Azor Ahai reincarnated. If she managed to get her claws in deep enough, he may even have rebelled against Robert.


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Yeah really. If at any point (even after Robert's death) Ned had wised up to the world that really existed, he could have made some smart decisions.

but then if you wanna go further back you could blame the circumstances that put him at the head of house stark, because he wasn't trained to be a lord and play the game, just to be an honorable second son knight.
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