UK Leaves EU

[ClocktowerEchos]

I have a question: if Scotland, north Ireland and Wales break off from England, wtf is the Union Jack going g to become? The Queen's Jack?

[Dinh AaronMk]

I have a question: if Scotland, north Ireland and Wales break off from England, wtf is the Union Jack going g to become? The Queen's Jack?

@ClocktowerEchos

The flag it was before, St. George's Cross

[HeySeuss]

come home and apparently stock markets are in free fall because of the brexit

i swear to god guys, if this causes another global recession and me to be unemployed, i'll join the army and we'll go put the first kebab seller we find as the new queen of england.

@Vilageidiotx

Calm yo tits, but brace for an extra decade without promotion as 401K's take a drubbing and people hold off their retirement...until age 80. That means they'll keep their jobs, you young whipper snapper.

If you complain, they'll throw their teeth at you.

God Save Queen Fatima.

[Vilageidiotx]

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The flag it was before, St. George's Cross

@Dinh AaronMk

fuk dat shit, they should go back to the medieval royal banner.

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Calm yo tits, but brace for an extra decade without promotion as 401K's take a drubbing and people hold off their retirement...until age 80. That means they'll keep their jobs, you young whipper snapper.

If you complain, they'll throw their teeth at you.

God Save Queen Fatima.

@HeySeuss

Business as usual then. I can live with that.

[HeySeuss]

Business as usual then. I can live with that.

@Vilageidiotx

That's right, we should be used to it by now. Make a little extra scratch baby-wiping the boss, eh? That's my plan for a PT job. We can run the freakin' eldercare right in the office.

[Vilageidiotx]

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That's right, we should be used to it by now. Make a little extra scratch baby-wiping the boss, eh? That's my plan for a PT job. We can run the freakin' eldercare right in the office.

@HeySeuss

i should probably get in shape so when we reach the point where everyone is super poor i can dance around and steal bread like that guy from aladdin.

[ClocktowerEchos]

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i should probably get in shape so when we reach the point where everyone is super poor i can dance around and steal bread like that guy from aladdin.

@Vilageidiotx

Don't forget the monkey and the mysterious magical chorus to make those moments when you burst into song that much magical.

A magic carpet and a hot kebab princess wouldn't hurt either

[Dinh AaronMk]

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I should probably get in shape so when we reach the point where everyone is super poor I can dance around and steal bread like that guy from aladdin.

@Vilageidiotx

Mein spooks mein freund.

[Chapatrap]

Here's one for the heart strings, lads:



I was a Remainian due to being a British expat in Ireland but I'm not particularly butthurt or surprised over their decision to Leave. Instead, I'm very curious to see what will happen in the next decade. Will Scotland leave the current Union and re-join a richer one? Will Norn Iron implode without all that EU peace-process money? Will Star Trek be proven correct? Will Spain Make Castile Great Again and block Gibraltar from the mainland? Are we spiraling into another recession?

[Teoinsanity]

Accurate representation of people who voted to leave:

[Vilageidiotx]

I was a Remainian due to being a British expat in Ireland but I'm not particularly butthurt or surprised over their decision to Leave. Instead, I'm very curious to see what will happen in the next decade. Will Scotland leave the current Union and re-join a richer one? Will Norn Iron implode without all that EU peace-process money? Will Star Trek be proven correct? Will Spain Make Castile Great Again and block Gibraltar from the mainland? Are we spiraling into another recession?

@Chapatrap

All of it. Everything is going to happen.

[The Nexerus]

I have a question: if Scotland, north Ireland and Wales break off from England, wtf is the Union Jack going g to become? The Queen's Jack?

@ClocktowerEchos

Wales and Northern Ireland aren't real countries and therefore aren't likely to leave the UK. Wales has never actually existed (and also voted in favour of Leave), and most folks in Northern Ireland identify more with Great Britain than the actual inhabitants of Great Britain. Northern Irish Unionists weren't united behind Leave and yet still managed to win 44.8% of the vote in the EU referendum. Add onto that 44.8% figure all of the Unionists who support the EU, and you have a very hefty majority in favour of remaining a part of the UK. The possibility of a return to sectarian conflict is also probably enough to convince at least some Republicans to support the status quo. Aaaand all of that is only relevant if the government in Northern Ireland actually calls for a border poll, which isn't terribly likely because the incumbent First Minister of Northern Ireland is Arlene Foster, leader of the very unionist DUP.

The only real possibility for a withdrawal from the United Kingdom is in Scotland. That's something the British government is going to have to work against, but they're going to be helped by three factors that weren't there in September of 2014.

1. The last referendum on that topic was just two years ago. Circumstances have changed, absolutely, but is this going to be the new normal for the SNP? Trying to call a referendum every few years until their side wins one? With the last referendum there was no doubt as to the legitimacy, this time around there will be at least some. Alex Salmond called the last referendum "the chance of a lifetime", saying that these sorts of national decisions come "once in a generation". Not so much, Salmond.

2. The SNP doesn't have a majority in Scottish Parliament any more. They could conceivably still initiate a call for a referendum, perhaps with support from the separatist Greens, but they would face strong opposition before they even got a referendum bill out of Holyrood. That wouldn't bode well for the referendum itself.

3. The price of oil is less than half of what it was at the time of the last referendum, and an independent Scotland would depend on oil revenue for a very large portion of its financial needs. The SNP would have a tough time convincing undecided folks that the Republic of Scotland is even viable, let alone desirable.

[Vilageidiotx]

If people think the UK might start bleeding parts in the next year they would be expecting a lot, but the big question here is what will Brexit mean for the long term economy of the UK? The EU? The world? If there are serious economic repercussions, opinions very well may change.

That's the crazy thing about what is going on here. There are no certainties. Britain just rolled the dice, and all anybody can do is place bets and hope they get lucky. We can only hope Britain gets them some good trade deals and the EU uses this opportunity to reform, and the economy takes it all in stride.

[darkwolf687]

I have a question: if Scotland, north Ireland and Wales break off from England, wtf is the Union Jack going g to become? The Queen's Jack?

@ClocktowerEchos

You'd just take St Andrew's and Patrick's saltire off (Wales doesn't have any representation on the Union Jack), leaving just St George's cross.

Calling it the Queen's jack would kinda be implying it is her flag really; Its juet the flag of one of her realms. The Queen already has a flag, the royal standard, which would be unlikely to change because in the Scottish Indy referendum last time it was stated that Scotland wanted to and would keep the Queen as head of state, Loyalism in Northern Ireland would likely result in the Queen remaining as head of state... aaaaaand even if it didn't, well, they didn't change the symbol the first time and so I doubt they would the second time.

Anyway, as Nexerus said the only country which has any likelihood of secession realistically is Scotland... and as he also said, the No camp would have more ammunition this time to fire back at the nationalists (though of course the Nats will also have a fresh example for their England overriding Scotland argument... which means the Government has to hope that if the UK does leave the EU (This referendum is not binding, though it would be politically dangerous (read: suicide) to disregard it, it is still possible. It was also a close vote.), it succeeds or at least the EU fails a lot harder.)

It is a very messy situation. Nobody seems to have actually expected this result and even leave voters seem shocked and I have heard a couple regret their decision. Anecdotal, I know, but I can't help but wonder if more than a few voted leave just so they could vent about it later without ever expecting or truly wanting to leave...

Perhaps the best case scenario would be for Britain to use this for hard-line renegotiations now the will of the UK at large is shown? There have been calls for referendums elsewhere, the EU might insist it won't budge but it seems that steps towards reform now have to be taken to save it and the world economy seems to have been feeling the repercussions of a Brexit already and nobody really wants to face more finacial problems when we barely got out of our last mess. With it being a close vote, the government /could/ try and get the EU to give it better terms and settle for that instead of going all the way, could they not? Standing on the brink, the alternative is not looking too pretty...

Edit: Please excuse any shitty English and all that; I didn't sleep well last night, it's 3:10 AM and I am ill. It's going to be fun to read this through in the morning and cringe... if not at my writing then as an "Oh my god did I actually say that?" type of reaction. That is usually the case when I try to do this sort of stuff, especially when I am knackered haha.

[Dinh AaronMk]

[LPFan]

I can't really say i'm surprised. I was was actually expecting it. In the union the UK was always like that rebellious teenager that kept doing what he wanted despite his parents trying to make him a good boy.

Honestly if I were british I would've voted for them to leave too. I don't agree with this european union and I always saw it as a pathetic attempt at creating a euripean copy of the Unitrd States.

Ever since my country enteted the EU in 2007 things changed from bad to worse despite all the good we were promised. And that's because the people in charge were too busy kissing the EU's ass and adopting all of their outrageous measures blindly without thinking about the consequences they might have on the long run.

[LPFan]

Sorry, accidental double post. Nothing to see here, move on.

Come on, shoo!

[Chapatrap]

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Wales and Northern Ireland aren't real countries and therefore aren't likely to leave the UK. Wales has never actually existed (and also voted in favour of Leave), and most folks in Northern Ireland identify more with Great Britain than the actual inhabitants of Great Britain. Northern Irish Unionists weren't united behind Leave and yet still managed to win 44.8% of the vote in the EU referendum. Add onto that 44.8% figure all of the Unionists who support the EU, and you have a very hefty majority in favour of remaining a part of the UK. The possibility of a return to sectarian conflict is also probably enough to convince at least some Republicans to support the status quo. Aaaand all of that is only relevant if the government in Northern Ireland actually calls for a border poll, which isn't terribly likely because the incumbent First Minister of Northern Ireland is Arlene Foster, leader of the very unionist DUP.

The only real possibility for a withdrawal from the United Kingdom is in Scotland. That's something the British government is going to have to work against, but they're going to be helped by three factors that weren't there in September of 2014.

1. The last referendum on that topic was just two years ago. Circumstances have changed, absolutely, but is this going to be the new normal for the SNP? Trying to call a referendum every few years until their side wins one? With the last referendum there was no doubt as to the legitimacy, this time around there will be at least some. Alex Salmond called the last referendum "the chance of a lifetime", saying that these sorts of national decisions come "once in a generation". Not so much, Salmond.

2. The SNP doesn't have a majority in Scottish Parliament any more. They could conceivably still initiate a call for a referendum, perhaps with support from the separatist Greens, but they would face strong opposition before they even got a referendum bill out of Holyrood. That wouldn't bode well for the referendum itself.

3. The price of oil is less than half of what it was at the time of the last referendum, and an independent Scotland would depend on oil revenue for a very large portion of its financial needs. The SNP would have a tough time convincing undecided folks that the Republic of Scotland is even viable, let alone desirable.
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@The Nexerus

>most identify more with Great Britain

It's actually closer to 55/45 these days. A lot of people claim most nationalists would rather stay in the UK because it's slightly richer but I honestly cannot see a post-Brexit Westminster pulling a billion euros out of their arse to cover all the money the Nordies got from the EU in grants to the peace process. Northern Ireland is on a very delicate peace at the moment - people are becoming increasingly frustrated with the inefficient power-sharing government in Stormont, Arlene Foster is acting the cunt and actively trying to inflame the Nationalist community and the Parades Commission is actively being ignored and criticised by politicians.

As for your points on Scotland, I'm much too exhausted to cover them but I will say this - Westminster aren't keeping their promises from 2014, Scotland is extremely pro-Europe and voted Remain and the rise of English nationalism is alienating them from a British identity. The British are dead - long live the English, Scots and Welsh.

We have a delicate peace, an incredibly volatile economy that could go either way (the pound dropped like a fly in shite today but at least we're not sending £350,000,000 to Brussels anymore amirite?) and the possible end of the Union (and the British) in sight. I'm expecting some kind of poll or referendum in Northern Ireland or violence will resume, without a doubt. It's not possible for something as fragile as Northern Ireland to exist while they're overtaken by the South, their own sense of identity comes to an end and their politicians continue bickering.

Tiocfaidh ár lá sa Poblacht na hEireann agus dhéanaimid fáilte roimh gach duine!

[Vilageidiotx]

Tiocfaidh ár lá sa Poblacht na hEireann agus dhéanaimid fáilte roimh gach duine!

@Chapatrap

listen to this guy, he's a fuckin' elf.

[Dinh AaronMk]

Tiocfaidh ár lá sa Poblacht na hEireann agus dhéanaimid fáilte roimh gach duine!

@Chapatrap

This be a 'Ra thread now lads.