[OOC] Hell's coffee lounge

[FoxFireOfDawn]

Roar. I have arrived!

[thewizardguy]

FoxFireOfDawn said
Roar. I have arrived!

Hello.

[Spiritstallion1]

thewizardguy said
........ What happened?

Long story short, I had SE first period, which is the class with our guidance teacher, and because we're going into 3rd year, and we've done the whole course choice thing and stuff, we were talking about careers, and how certain groups of people are at a disadvantage through no fault of their own, and halfway through the period we started doing this thing, where on the tables there were statements, and we had to write on a sticky note (in groups) what they thought of it. The boys were being really sexist on one of them.
One of the statements was "homosexual males shouldn't be allowed to work with children" and they all agreed (they also said that boys can't be nurses, they HAVE to be doctors). My and my friend started arguing with them (keep in mind that a LOT of the people I'm friends with aren't straight, so some of the stuff they were saying really annoyed me), and it got to the stage where me and my friends were pretty much shouting at them. Eventually our teacher told us to sit down so we could discuss it.Their arguments were stupid and didn't make sense, like, according to them, "gay men shouldn't work with children because they might fall in love with them and rape them (pretty much the exact words)" and I was like "That's paedophilia, not homosexuality! They are NOTHING alike!" and none of their arguments made sense and it just annoyed me so much some of the stuff they were saying. One of them went back to the whole Adam and Eve excuse, and I was like "You don't believe in God, you cannot use the bible as an excuse" and by the end of the lesson it was the teacher trying to talk to them, and them giving arguments that made no sense, and I was just sitting with my head on the desk because I was so annoyed at them, I couldn't even look at them.
At the end, me and a couple friends sort of stayed back a bit (we had music next and the music teachers are really nice, so it wouldn't matter if we were a bit late) and the teacher was saying she was really surprised at how homophobic they were, and she thought that because we were younger, we would be more accepting

And please don't say "don't get annoyed at them, try and see it from their point of view" etc. because I physically can't, because what they're saying makes no sense whatsoever

Rant over

[Spiritstallion1]

Tyki said
did you come out of the closet?

Not quite.....

[Tyki]

thewizardguy said
No, entropy is the gradual deterioration of something. It requires time to function, and does not interfere with the progress of time in any way. Time functions independently of all other factors besides perhaps mass.Also, in fact, lava is turned to stone not by water, but by cold, and normal water would instead evaporate in it's mere presence.

then i guess ice is lava's opposite :P and matter is time's opposite. see you're solving your own riddles :P

[thewizardguy]

Spiritstallion1 said
Long story short, I had SE first period, which is the class with our guidance teacher, and because we're going into 3rd year, and we've done the whole course choice thing and stuff, we were talking about careers, and how certain groups of people are at a disadvantage through no fault of their own, and halfway through the period we started doing this thing, where on the tables there were statements, and we had to write on a sticky note (in groups) what they thought of it. The boys were being really sexist on one of them. One of the statements was "homosexual males shouldn't be allowed to work with children" and they all agreed (they also said that boys can't be nurses, they HAVE to be doctors). My and my friend started arguing with them (keep in mind that a LOT of the people I'm friends with aren't straight, so some of the stuff they were saying really annoyed me), and it got to the stage where me and my friends were pretty much shouting at them. Eventually our teacher told us to sit down so we could discuss it.Their arguments were stupid and didn't make sense, like, according to them, "gay men shouldn't work with children because they might fall in love with them and rape them (pretty much the exact words)" and I was like "That's paedophilia, not homosexuality! They are NOTHING alike!" and none of their arguments made sense and it just annoyed me so much some of the stuff they were saying. One of them went back to the whole Adam and Eve excuse, and I was like "You don't believe in God, you cannot use the bible as an excuse" and by the end of the lesson it was the teacher trying to talk to them, and them giving arguments that made no sense, and I was just sitting with my head on the desk because I was so annoyed at them, I couldn't even look at them.At the end, me and a couple friends sort of stayed back a bit (we had music next and the music teachers are really nice, so it wouldn't matter if we were a bit late) and the teacher was saying she was really surprised at how homophobic they were, and she thought that because we were younger, we would be more acceptingAnd please don't say "don't get annoyed at them, try and see it from their point of view" etc. because I physically can't, because what they're saying makes no sense whatsoeverRant over

Damn. I wasn't going to say anything of the sort. Their point of view is stupid and silly, and you should try and AVOID those points of views. What you're dealing with their is a belief based on faith, at which point their arguments will make no sense. At which point, you can never win a discussion like that.

[Tyki]

Spiritstallion1 said
Not quite.....

*huggles* creed owes me five bucks :P

[Spiritstallion1]

thewizardguy said
Damn. I wasn't going to say anything of the sort. Their point of view is stupid and silly, and you should try and AVOID those points of views. What you're dealing with their is a belief based on faith, at which point their arguments will make no sense. At which point, you can never win a discussion like that.

They're sexist, homophobic, racist, and just plain ignorant.
Re-reading that, it does't sound as bad, but I got really annoyed.
But the good thing, is that we can choose to leave school at the end of 4th year, and judging by the type of people they are, a lot of them are probably gonna leave ASAP, meaning I'll never have to see them again. And I'm not going to be in a lot of their classes in 3rd year......

[Tyki]

Spiritstallion1 said
Long story short, I had SE first period, which is the class with our guidance teacher, and because we're going into 3rd year, and we've done the whole course choice thing and stuff, we were talking about careers, and how certain groups of people are at a disadvantage through no fault of their own, and halfway through the period we started doing this thing, where on the tables there were statements, and we had to write on a sticky note (in groups) what they thought of it. The boys were being really sexist on one of them. One of the statements was "homosexual males shouldn't be allowed to work with children" and they all agreed (they also said that boys can't be nurses, they HAVE to be doctors). My and my friend started arguing with them (keep in mind that a LOT of the people I'm friends with aren't straight, so some of the stuff they were saying really annoyed me), and it got to the stage where me and my friends were pretty much shouting at them. Eventually our teacher told us to sit down so we could discuss it.Their arguments were stupid and didn't make sense, like, according to them, "gay men shouldn't work with children because they might fall in love with them and rape them (pretty much the exact words)" and I was like "That's paedophilia, not homosexuality! They are NOTHING alike!" and none of their arguments made sense and it just annoyed me so much some of the stuff they were saying. One of them went back to the whole Adam and Eve excuse, and I was like "You don't believe in God, you cannot use the bible as an excuse" and by the end of the lesson it was the teacher trying to talk to them, and them giving arguments that made no sense, and I was just sitting with my head on the desk because I was so annoyed at them, I couldn't even look at them.At the end, me and a couple friends sort of stayed back a bit (we had music next and the music teachers are really nice, so it wouldn't matter if we were a bit late) and the teacher was saying she was really surprised at how homophobic they were, and she thought that because we were younger, we would be more acceptingAnd please don't say "don't get annoyed at them, try and see it from their point of view" etc. because I physically can't, because what they're saying makes no sense whatsoeverRant over

that's pretty much been every argument i've ever had except i was the minority >.>

[Spiritstallion1]

Tyki said
*huggles* creed owes me five bucks :P

Wait, what? O.o

[thewizardguy]

Tyki said
then i guess ice is lava's opposite :P and matter is time's opposite. see you're solving your own riddles :P

Matter can AFFECT time, as can be seen during, for example, space travel. However, it does not counteract time. That's like saying that time is the opposite of ice, because ice can be affected by time.
And ice is simply another form of water. And it's not an opposite, as it can't cancel lava out. Instead, you're using a force that can affect lava, and then attempting to create a temperature so low it'll freeze the lava. However, time is required for this change to take effect. If you want to instantly freeze lava, that will take a lot more energy than counteracting it or creating it would, meaning you would rapidly tire yourself out.
If you want to expand this, name the opposite of stone, wood, or electricity. What's the opposite of diamond, or psychic energy. The opposite of love, There are tons of things which have no specific opposites, i can name a stack more.

[Spiritstallion1]

Tyki said
that's pretty much been every argument i've ever had except i was the minority >.>

Well, it was me and 1 other friend, against about 10 boys.The rest of the class were either just watching, or ignoring our argument. The teacher was sort of just watching/listening and seeing how it played out

[thewizardguy]

Spiritstallion1 said
They're sexist, homophobic, racist, and just plain ignorant.Re-reading that, it does't sound as bad, but I got really annoyed. But the good thing, is that we can choose to leave school at the end of 4th year, and judging by the type of people they are, a lot of them are probably gonna leave ASAP, meaning I'll never have to see them again. And I'm not going to be in a lot of their classes in 3rd year......

That's lucky for you. Hopefully they'll be able to revisit their views later in life. My advise is to speak to them 1-on-1 instead of in groups. Groups promote irrational views in individual members, and the spirit of the group can drive one to greater extremes than individual minds will allow.

[Spiritstallion1]

Oh, and, I remember a few months ago one of the boys said that he's against gays because, and I quote, "he doesn't want boys liking him"
Like, dude, no. I can think of plenty of girls that would not want you liking them, but it's not their fault you're straight

And this same guy has a twin brother
We're all pretty sure his brother's gay. That's where it gets complicated
And apparently he said that if he brother is gay, he's going to disown him and never talk to him for the rest of his life. Tbh it seems like something he would do.

[Spiritstallion1]

thewizardguy said
That's lucky for you. Hopefully they'll be able to revisit their views later in life. My advise is to speak to them 1-on-1 instead of in groups. Groups promote irrational views in individual members, and the spirit of the group can drive one to greater extremes than individual minds will allow.

I would rather just not talk to them. And it's nearly impossible to speak to them individually. I mean, the ones who aren't too bad would be easy to speak to, but the others.....yeah it would be literally impossible :P

[thewizardguy]

Spiritstallion1 said
Oh, and, I remember a few months ago one of the boys said that he's against gays because, and I quote, "he doesn't want boys liking him"Like, dude, no. I can think of plenty of girls that would not want you liking them, but it's not their fault you're straightAnd this same guy has a twin brotherWe're all pretty sure his brother's gay. That's where it gets complicatedAnd apparently he said that if he brother is gay, he's going to disown him and never talk to him for the rest of his life. Tbh it seems like something he would do.

Either that means he's uncontrollably extreme in his views, or he's bluffing. I have two brothers, and I wouldn't disown them for ANYTHING. I don't even know if that's legally possible.

[thewizardguy]

Spiritstallion1 said
I would rather just not talk to them. And it's nearly impossible to speak to them individually. I mean, the ones who aren't too bad would be easy to speak to, but the others.....yeah it would be literally impossible :P

Exactly. Extremism is bred by groups, not individuals.

[Tyki]

thewizardguy said
Matter can AFFECT time, as can be seen during, for example, space travel. However, it does not counteract time. That's like saying that time is the opposite of ice, because ice can be affected by time.And ice is simply another form of water. And it's not an opposite, as it can't cancel lava out. Instead, you're using a force that can affect lava, and then attempting to create a temperature so low it'll freeze the lava. However, time is required for this change to take effect. If you want to instantly freeze lava, that will take a lot more energy than counteracting it or creating it would, meaning you would rapidly tire yourself out.If you want to expand this, name the opposite of stone, wood, or electricity. What's the opposite of diamond, or psychic energy. The opposite of love, There are tons of things which have no specific opposites, i can name a stack more.

the opposite of wood is fire, electricity is earth, and stone would be lava. diamond is under the crystal element which has the same opposites as stone, and psychic energy is the opposite of the corpus element, the opposite of love is hate (both of which are a pain in the ass to make) and ice also represents cold. also, this doesn't make you tired like normal, it expends mental energies to remember the arcanum and bring them into being. other than that you can do what ever and not expend much energy :P

[Spiritstallion1]

thewizardguy said
Either that means he's uncontrollably extreme in his views, or he's bluffing. I have two brothers, and I wouldn't disown them for ANYTHING. I don't even know if that's legally possible.

We also ended up talking about this kid in 1st year.....long story short we're pretty sure he's a nazi, and our teacher was like "Yeah, I've heard about him....." so obviously it's not just the people in my class who've noticed it

[Tyki]

Spiritstallion1 said
Wait, what? O.o

we made a bet concerning your sexuality :P