<Insert Name; Will Edit Once Not Busy> {Hang-out Thread}

[Sugar and Spite]

@CrazyShadowy Haha. Awesome. Can't wait to see it.

@Gowi We're writing, Gowi! xD

[CrazyShadowy]

@HaleyTheRandom
I mean, it's up now. Not as long as I'd like but I think it'll do.

[Sugar and Spite]

@CrazyShadowy Just seen it. It's perfectly fine.

[CrazyShadowy]

@HaleyTheRandom
If you say so, I need to start having more faith in myself, I do think it's fine I just thought it'd be a bit longer.

[Gowi]

@Gowi We're writing, Gowi! xD

@HaleyTheRandom

Must be nice.

[Shoryu Magami]

@CrazyShadowy
I sort of wish you could blow my brains out... I'd appreciate being a corpse for a little while before good old-fashioned immortality kicks in and I revive.

Seriously, a variety of things have me really wishing I wasn't on this site... Perhaps it's the sleep deprivation talking, but other than a few of you guys I just flat do not think I belong here... It doesn't help that I'm becoming more confident with each day that there's far too many people bitching about walls of text coming from me when you take into account this is a fucking writing-focused website.

[CrazyShadowy]

@Shoryu Magami
Yeah, if you don't want walls of text don't join a writing based site. I don't mind them sometimes it just takes me longer to get to them. That reminds me I still need to read that one from you way back in that PM thread. I'll get to that after I get homework out of the way, promise.

You do belong here, just some other people don't like large text walls. I know if you weren't here I'd miss having someone like you as a friend, yes there is skype but having you here as well is nice.

*Blows Shoryu's brains out and let's him become a corpse.*

[Sugar and Spite]

@HaleyTheRandom
If you say so, I need to start having more faith in myself, I do think it's fine I just thought it'd be a bit longer.

@CrazyShadowy

Like I said, no worries.

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Must be nice.

@Gowi

Ish chu not writing?

[CrazyShadowy]

@HaleyTheRandom
I think it'll give others enough some more to work with.

[Shoryu Magami]

@CrazyShadowy
*revives* Well, I don't feel any better... Meh, this next hour or so could be where I make my decision.

[CrazyShadowy]

@Shoryu Magami
That could be it, I would say taking some time away from the guild to see if it's that much of a trouble would be a good idea, you still have me on skype if you do need me, that's easy enough.

[Dolerman]

@Gowi Well then it can only be said that it is subjective. Antagonism and Toxicity manifest as different things for different people. But I've not seen anything in Arena that I haven't seen anywhere else in RPG. Furthermore starting out in the arena doesn't nessecarily imply bias as I spend more time in Causal and Advanced since joining and I probably enjoy traditional RPs more than combat ones these days.

I know all of the Arena mainstays, Rilla, Melonhead, Importantnobody, Doc Doctor etc, and I rarely if ever see them on Off-Topic, off-topic clearly has its own community, but obviously there is overlap, as somepeople from off-topic are also seen in general, 1x1, nation etc.

Also 'elitism' doesnt just apply to roleplay, there is a degree of political and social elitism in Off-Topic simply due to the subject matter.

Maybe I came across to glowing in my defense of Arena, I'm not saying there arent bad apples or arguments in that community, but I would fight you on the claim that there is more of that there, then anywhere else on the guild. Particularly here in Off-topic.

[Gowi]

Again, off topic is irrelevant.

[Dolerman]

@Dynamo Frokane
I'm not planning on getting involved in any sort of debate concerning the arena forum, but all I'll say is that the unsavoury individual who provoked me there was not what you would likely consider one of your "regulars"; in fact I believe this person likely disdains most of the things that the arena forum stands for and only got involved in the thread in question due to it implementing D&D mechanics; something which I viewed as a bad idea for a convincing piece of writing, whether it be role-playing or novelization. I had no intention of getting involved and only posted my input there because the GM wanted it.

@Shoryu Magami

Well I realise that I wasn't clear when I was defending the arena that of course there are abrasivie individuals on there, I've never had an argument there myself, but Its very likely they do happen. I was more responding to the idea, that the 'toxicity' & 'antagonistic' behavior in the guild was in higher concentration there, then anywhere else. I'm sure there are abrasive people in arena but I dont think there are significantly more in the arena then say, off-topic, casual, or even Tabletop which I heard can get quite finicky over mechanics and such.

[Shoryu Magami]

@Dynamo Frokane
Like I said, I don't really intend to get involved in this sort of discussion since a couple of unsavoury people on this site have, alongside a few other things, made me think of taking my leave from this place entirely and I don't really need the extra headache right now. Nevertheless, I will point out that the person who created this antagonism in the thread was very likely one of those Tabletop people you speak of.

[Dolerman]

Again, off topic is irrelevant.

@Gowi

No it isnt, it has its own community, the fact they visit other sections doesn't negate that.

[Gowi]

Also, if the conversation was ever about Off Topic I would’ve said the same line of things I’ve said about Arena just the same. As a rule Off Topic and Spam forums are always going to be abrasive and awful by general standards— it’s in their framework and has been since pretty much the turn of the century.

[Dolerman]

Also, if the conversation was ever about Off Topic I would’ve said the same line of things I’ve said about Arena just the same. As a rule Off Topic and Spam forums are always going to be abrasive and awful by general standards— it’s in their framework and has been since pretty much the turn of the century.

@Gowi

Spam I can agree with you on, off-topic not so much, I think that saying Off-Topic is 'awful' by general standars is pretty cynical. We can have expectations and for the most part Off-topic has been mainly chat/hangout threads like this one here we people just talk about their day/lives or discuss upcoming games or movies or whatever. The recent string of political stuff has been largely influenced by the circus of a US election. Which has understandably ramped up the disuputes. But off-topic by its definition cant just be discareded as 'awful' surely if it was neither one of us would be here.

[Shoryu Magami]

@Gowi@Dynamo Frokane
Either way, I think there's no point getting into a discussion over the arena forum based on what one toxic person (who's not even affiliated with them) did. As for the matter of the other forums; well we never really had a "spam" forum on the role-playing sites I ran but we did have a "game" forum, and for the most part the off-topic discussion forum was pretty civil too. Then again, so was the arena; I don't make a habit of letting toxic people into my invite-only communities. That's precisely one of the reasons why I'm feeling like taking my leave; I'm feeling the toxicity of some people here enough that it's very much akin to feeling mentally poisoned.

[Dolerman]

@Dynamo Frokane
Like I said, I don't really intend to get involved in this sort of discussion since a couple of unsavoury people on this site have, alongside a few other things, made me think of taking my leave from this place entirely and I don't really need the extra headache right now. Nevertheless, I will point out that the person who created this antagonism in the thread was very likely one of those Tabletop people you speak of.

@Shoryu Magami

Well that is unfourtanate and I wouldnt want to see you leave over a dispute, as I think you contribute a with your hangout thread. But the fact that the person was a tabletop regular says that the 'arena community' isn't really at fault for that, and that itd be hard to label the community at all as there is so much overlap.

I actually know a few people who partake in RPs from Free AND Advanced.