The 'Explain The Appeal Of......' Thread

[skidcrow]

it's like saying Disney wasn't pandering to furries when the released Zootopia

@SleepingSilence

uhh... they weren't? just because someone makes a movie about anthropomorphic animals doesn't mean that they're appealing to furries (a group that barely any of the millions of families that saw zootopia even know about). if you wanna apply that logic, then movies like cat in the hat and kung fu panda do the exact same thing.

also, this rap/hip-hop/whatever else debate rn is retarded as fuck. threads like these always get derailed by such minor things because people like to look cool and edgy by saying "oh! look at me! i think a very popular and mainstream thing is dumb!". like, who gives a fuck? you either fuck with rap or you don't, good for you.

in fact, here's a trophy for everyone:

[SleepingSilence]

@Grimhildr Seriously though? :P Like this isn't out of nowhere man. I liked Zootopia.

twitter.com/dannyanimator/status/70472.. The animator of the movie literally told people to send in pictures of seeing the movie in fursuits. I'm not saying this is a problem, saying denying marketing is being done is silly.

Also I agree the argument wasn't particularly fantastic. Sort of silly when both people like the genre were arguing about the genre itself, with one having the impression they didn't like the genre. :P Also, you too because mainstream wasn't a part of the argument, at least not my side.

[skidcrow]

@Grimhildr Seriously though? :P Like this isn't out of nowhere man. I liked Zootopia.

@SleepingSilence

just because furries happened to be big fans of the movie doesn't mean it was made for them. the standard disney audience is families and children when it comes to their animated productions, and since plenty of disney movies have had anthro animals in the past, it's not changing. kids like talking animals, so it's an easy cash grab.

twitter.com/dannyanimator/status/70472.. The animator of the movie literally told people to send in pictures of seeing the movie in fursuits. I'm not saying this is a problem, saying denying marketing is being done is silly.

a) i didn't deny the marketing, i said the movie wasn't made for furries.
b) it doesn't matter if the animator brought furries into it, that's one guy compared to a whole production team that took part in it.

Also I agree the argument wasn't particularly fantastic. Sort of silly when both people like the genre were arguing about the genre itself, with one having the impression they didn't like the genre. :P Also, you too because mainstream wasn't a part of the argument, at least not my side.

don't drag me into your retarded debate. at the end of the day, probably everyone is in the wrong, but what do you expect from a thread asking people to literally push their opinion as fact?

aside from that, fabricant and whoever else was trying to do exactly what garland asked: explain what the appeal of rap was (to them, of course, as the appeal of something isn't a subjective thing and varies per person).

now sit down and accept your damn trophy.

[skidcrow]

"I am mad" vs "I am very unpleased with the occurences that have transpired"

@QueenOfTheBee

[SleepingSilence]

@Grimhildr Uhhhhhhh...Wasn't trying to? <.< I agreed with your statement almost 100%. Simply corrected it didn't have to do with mainstream. I feel like I'm living on another plain of existence...

I mean your a and b sort of contradict each other. You don't deny marketing but it's invalid to say they were targeting a certain demographic because one of the leads, don't count in the grand scheme of things. I didn't say it was only meant for furries either...I said it was another demographic it targeted with the marketing...the first trailers used the word anthropomorphic. Marketing usually DOES market to specific people. That was my point.

[mickilennial]

I just noticed I read something you said wrong from last night...you said you wouldn't address my first paragraph, it wasn't a fallacy and that was a deflection.

@SleepingSilence

The paragraph that referenced the “I’m a musician! I’ve listened to things!” was full of several, which is why I ignored it. Unless you can clarify, I never saw a statement or question that asked about my own knowledge as the paragraph was all just very weakly constructed comments that were stated to defend your point of view when they have nothing to do with wisdom or intellect regarding the subject matter. It was not a deflection, however; it was me simply stating I would not address the paragraph at the moment in time.

You people turn literally everything into an argument or something you have to win don't you? Yes asking for the songs that you like, was a genuine curiosity to listen to new music, won't say shit about them unless I enjoy them.

@SleepingSilence

No, it was a genuine question if you would turn it into an argument of sorts. You answered my question, so thank you.

Liberal with language would mean the opposite of what your trying to argue.

@SleepingSilence

Wrong. In this phrasing liberal is referring to the liberal and free use of language to iterate a point or express themselves. I am correct; it is not the opposite of what I was saying.

No, I have zero problem with cursing or immaturity in music

@SleepingSilence

This remains to be seen.

I never saw anything tell me why anything I posted was worse in quality?

@SleepingSilence

Nobody suggested they were or were not.

Can you consider it creative if it took an entire classroom to do it?

@SleepingSilence

Yes. Some classic masterworks in another genre were made by entire “classrooms” of musicians with a songwriter leading them as a composer, which is a classical concept to begin with. Albums like Revolver [The Beatles], Pet Sounds [The Beach Boys], and a few others come to mind as the most notable examples in modern music.

Hip Hop is no different.

I'm tagging out of this. I can't continue making the same points and doing this circle talk.

@Fabricant451

I am really tempted to do the same.

[skidcrow]

@Grimhildr Uhhhhhhh...Wasn't trying to? <.< I agreed with your statement almost 100%. Simply corrected it didn't have to do with mainstream. I feel like I'm living on another plain of existence...

I mean your a and b sort of contradict each other. You don't deny marketing but it's invalid to say they were targeting a certain demographic because one of the leads, don't count in the grand scheme of things. I didn't say it was only meant for furries either...I said it was another demographic it targeted with the marketing...the first trailers used the word anthropomorphic. Marketing usually DOES market to specific people. That was my point.

@SleepingSilence

the animator involving furries ≠ the film's marketing. i don't deny that it was a big hit in the furry world, but it doesn't exactly line up that disney would suddenly go from targeting children/families to targeting furries as well. is it a step in that direction? sure. but i still stand by my point that it wasn't directed at furries, even as a second demographic.

also, i wasn't saying that your argument had to do with mainstream. if you'd actually read my post correctly, i said that most of the questions here are people going "oh look at me! i don't conform to the mainstream! i think popular things are dumb! am i cool yet?"

also, anthropomorphic isn't a furry word lmao. i don't see any marketing through the thousands of trailers towards furries, just towards families with children. but hey, that's just me.

[mickilennial]

if you'd actually read my post correctly

@Grimhildr

[SleepingSilence]

Gee, I wonder if people are hostile and overly aggressive for no reason online...I don't even know where I got the circle jerking ides from online being nearly identical to a middle school. <.<

[skidcrow]

Gee, I wonder if people are hostile and overly aggressive for no reason online...I don't even know where I got the circle jerking ides from online being nearly identical to a middle school. <.<

@SleepingSilence

i feel obligated to say: welcome to the internet.

[mickilennial]

Perhaps comments would not be made if there were no precedence for them?

[SleepingSilence]

@Grimhildr But no one was talking about mainstream in that way, so bringing it up is pointless. So yeah...@Inkarnate I did...I read it fine...

And I feel like both of these conversations have been as follow.

A. I have an opinion.

B. FUCK YOU. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA MY FACT IS RIGHT.

A. Wait, maybe we both just have different op-

B. HAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH

A. No really, this can't be a fact...were literally discussing appeal.

B. MY OPINION IS FACT AND IS THE RIGHT ONE! DON'T DRAG ME IN YOUR HATRED!

A. Uh...what about these points?

B. I don't like to circle around in discussion.

<.< For someone who actually has a social disorder of some kind...I can't imagine how normal people can act so goddamn rude to others in any social scenario.

Okay...uh vent aside. Dropping this fucking waste of my time.

[SleepingSilence]

@Inkarnate Disagreement equals laughter and scorn? And dog piling? Okay, glad I learned. :D

@Grimhildr Yeah...that's not a good thing, nor does it mean you should join the bandwagon of it. Assuming the worst of everyone you come across. Wont make friends that way.

[skidcrow]

@Grimhildr But no one was talking about mainstream in that way, so bringing it up is pointless.

@SleepingSilence

do you... do you not get the art of making a point?

And I feel like both of these conversations have been as follow.

A. I have an opinion.

B. FUCK YOU. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA MY FACT IS RIGHT.

A. Wait, maybe we both just have different op-

B. HAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH

A. No really, this can't be a fact...were literally discussing appeal.

B. MY OPINION IS FACT AND IS THE RIGHT ONE! DON'T DRAG ME IN YOUR HATRED!

A. Uh...what about these points?

B. I don't like to circle around in discussion.

i understand you're dropping (so you don't need to respond to this), but this whole thing is loaded with both irony and hypocrisy. technically, you were also acting that way, trying to state that rap purely is uncreative and the others were wrong (at least, that's the impression i got; it was so much of a shitstorm i only managed to skim read the parts i considered important).

so, yeah, nobody is right or wrong in this situation. instead, you're all just in the wrong. and autistically screeching at one another. yay.

edit;

@Grimhildr Yeah...that's not a good thing, nor does it mean you should join the bandwagon of it. Assuming the worst of everyone you come across. Wont make friends that way.

@SleepingSilence

assuming the worst of everyone you come across means you don't look like a whining baby when, surprise! this person is an asshole!

again, welcome to the internet, friendo.

[mickilennial]

For someone who actually has a social disorder of some kind...I can't imagine how normal people can act so goddamn rude to others in any social scenario.

@SleepingSilence

I cannot understand how someone could not read several clear and succinctly points correctly as well, unless their entire point was to ignore what was actually being said to spin their own narrative. Also, is it not offensive to use one's social disorder as a crutch? I thought everyone was past doing that in 2017.

]Disagreement equals laughter and scorn? And dog piling? Okay, glad I learned. :D

@SleepingSilence

If you have very thin skin that you take a meme seriously, perhaps you should not be conversing on the internet. But outside of that case I have actually not uttered any mockery or scorn; the most I have actually done is found some of your comments absurd [hence why I used the “laugh” option opposed to like or thanks]. Also not one person “dog pilled” you. I simply agreed with points Fabricant and Grimhildr had made.

If you think this is mob mentality you are sorely mistaken.

[Fabricant451]

@SleepingSilence The first conversation, as in the one that has been going on for like three pages, didn't start that way at all and we both know it.

[skidcrow]

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I cannot understand how someone could not read several clear and succinctly points correctly as well, unless their entire point was to ignore what was actually being said to spin their own narrative. Also, is it not offensive to use one's social disorder as a crutch? I thought everyone was past doing that in 2017.

@Inkarnate

nah, having something wrong with you clearly negates you of all criticism.

(for reference, i'm being sarcastic here.)

[Fabricant451]

so, yeah, nobody is right or wrong in this situation. instead, you're all just in the wrong. and autistically screeching at one another. yay.

@Grimhildr

Yeah but my autistic screeching had cadence!

[SleepingSilence]

@Inkarnate No, nothing is offensive, if you don't let it do so and isn't a direct attack. And people that think that probably do the exact thing you're mentioning...:/

Plenty of my points were outright ignored...and laughed at. Half my problem in the first place, if I was genuinely asking and I was. Like "show me what you like."

And you reply. "IS THIS A SECRETLY AN EVIL ACTION???" I'm sorry...but you failed to have a reasonable discussion on any level.

[skidcrow]

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Yeah but my autistic screeching had cadence!

@Fabricant451

it was still pointless and, in the end, the argument devolved into something where both parties just looked dumb imo. good on you for defending rap, though.

edit; you also made some good points, if i do say so myself.