Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

[Andreyich]

The Alt-Right's anti-semitism is autistic. Traditional/Orthodox Jews are some of the most reactionary, pro-free market and generally productive peoples out there. While true that they are over-represented in left groups, saying gas the Jews would mean killing a lot of innocents while leaving alive many actual parts of the cancer of progressivism.

My favourite instance of this was when stormfront supported Corbyn because apparently Theresa May is Jewish/has ties to the Jewish world order, which even if true is still ridiculous because Theresa has a whole lot of reactionary world views and goes to show the usefulness of Jews.

It's sad to see such an ally swept aside by a few autists and making Hebrews resentful, thus more likely to become part of the same red plague. The right is fractured as is.

[Dolerman]

My favorite part of that video is the disclaimer saying "subscribers thought he was just an anti-SJW not an actual racist".

@Fabricant451

I mean look I'm no fan of Patreon shilling, repetitive, pseudo-intellectual Anti-SJW youtubers. But you definitely can be against SJWs and not be a racist.

Whats nuts about James Allsup is that how many clues there were of him even before this article came out, I mean interviewing Richard Spencer is one thing, but defending every single one of his ideas in follow up videos should have been the wake up call.

The Alt-Right's anti-semitism is autistic.

@Andreyich

I thought they were just a meme brah.

[Penny]

saying gas the Jews would mean killing a lot of innocents while leaving alive many actual parts of the cancer of progressivism.

@Andreyich

So the real problem with Nazi's is that they want to gas the WRONG people. Who knew.

[The Harbinger of Ferocity]

@Dynamo Frokane

First and foremost, a person is entitled to an opinion, even if it is a bad one. Within free speech you cannot pick or choose what is or is not acceptable to say; there are some exceptions to this, such as threatening the life of someone with the perception to be that they can make good on it or in specific circumstances where forum dictates you cannot say certain words like "bomb" in an airport without consequence.

Second, the issue is, is that he has been branded the wrong thing. For example, they labeled him the usual fare instead of correctly calling him an antisemite; being against Jews isn't racism, as "Jew" isn't a race, but it certainly is prejudice. No less, they resorted to crying foul and flailing, rather than confronting and exposing what a foolish perception that is. All they have is a "Here! Here!" moment which makes observers, like myself, sigh from lack of amusement. They might have had a point but they squandered it like fools. All they did was validate him within his own mind, as they are oft to do. It would be too difficult, in their perception, to confront him and host any sort of dialogue and make him out himself as being biased; they went digging instead.

Lastly, mean words and uneducated opinions are not grounds for assault, let alone assault with a deadly weapon. They are and were more worried about his opinion than the fact he was attacked. I am sorry, but as much as I despise and want nothing to do with him personally - as I have said prior to not following or trusting any one person - he was still the victim of an attack.

In order to remain an impartial arbiter I must accept that my contrarian urge to his does not mean he is an acceptable target.

[Dolerman]

@Dynamo Frokane

First and foremost, a person is entitled to an opinion, even if it is a bad one. Within free speech you cannot pick or choose what is or is not acceptable to say; there are some exceptions to this, such as threatening the life of someone with the perception to be that they can make good on it or in specific circumstances where forum dictates you cannot say certain words like "bomb" in an airport without consequence.

@The Harbinger of Ferocity

Okay so I agree, absolutely I did not express any desire to see him silenced by the government. I was simply stating that claims of his bigotry are not just left wing fake news rambling, so his critics should not be criticized for being untruthful, in this instance at least.

@Dynamo Frokane

Second, the issue is, is that he has been branded the wrong thing. For example, they labeled him the usual fare instead of correctly calling him an antisemite; being against Jews isn't racism, as "Jew" isn't a race, but it certainly is prejudice. No less, they resorted to crying foul and flailing, rather than confronting and exposing what a foolish perception that is. All they have is a "Here! Here!" moment which makes observers, like myself, sigh from lack of amusement. They might have had a point but they squandered it like fools. All they did was validate him within his own mind, as they are oft to do. It would be too difficult, in their perception, to confront him and host any sort of dialogue and make him out himself as being biased; they went digging instead.

@The Harbinger of Ferocity

Now you are right, he is an anti-semite but he is absolutely a racist as well, not only because he chooses to associate and agree with everything that racists say but in many examples not listed in this article he has shown passive careful endorsement for ethnostates.

EDIT: I just read the article again; they don't even call him racist, they call him an anti-semite and a sexist, which according to the presented screenshots, appear to be very true.

But in the video alone, he was seen walking with those with the swastika, agreeing and laughing along with the folks shouting the N-word at people, and showing immense support for Richard Spencer and David Duke, Its pretty safe to say that a non-racist wouldn't be doing these things. But maybe the article could have dont a slightly better job highlighting these things as I have.

Also you mention that they would find dialogue with him too difficult, which for one isnt really the job of an article to debate someones ideas, but you'll see they actually did try to reach out to him to comment which he replied 'I don't talk to fake news' which seems to be a very cowardly defense when nearly everything written about him has been proven to be true.

Lastly, mean words and uneducated opinions are not grounds for assault, let alone assault with a deadly weapon. They are and were more worried about his opinion than the fact he was attacked. I am sorry, but as much as I despise and want nothing to do with him personally - as I have said prior to not following or trusting any one person - he was still the victim of an attack.

In order to remain an impartial arbiter I must accept that my contrarian urge to his does not mean he is an acceptable target.

@The Harbinger of Ferocity

Well It should be noted that this was published quite a long time after his initial attack at the deplora-ball event, so Its not their responsibility to mention the attack with every article written about him over a year after it happened.

But regardless I absolutely agree that there is no excuse for meeting opinions with violence, no matter how much we dislike them. But I don't think anyone in this thread or even the article were saying anything to the contrary.

Anyway in short, I think the criticism against him is fair and accurate enough to where we can say any claims of 'fake news' being presented is a desperate and cowardly attempt to shy away from any revealing criticism of him.

[Dolerman]

Sex is good for you, I highly recommend it!

@Penny

Its a weak meme, I can only confirm that 60% of these things get said.

[The Harbinger of Ferocity]

As I had stated prior, I did not follow him in any capacity, just the same for all others. The fallout after I had seen only light of, mostly ignoring it because it has no relevance to me; the only incident that mattered was the assault. Wherever he pledges his loyalty is his own error there.

With regard to debating with him, I do not mean a literal debate, but baiting him into conversation or answer. Cornering him into speaking isn't likely to be effective as you saw. In order to do these things properly or in a way that matters, turning their own admissions against them are the best way to do so if they wisely stay out of an in-person encounter. The reason I say this is because that has become the go-to tactic and one that works exceptionally well.

All I had seen in the end was the referring to how he "Deserved to be attacked for being a racist." and how instead of capturing him in his own words, they went about it by showing his history and gloating.

[Dolerman]

All I had seen in the end was the referring to how he "Deserved to be attacked for being a racist." and how instead of capturing him in his own words, they went about it by showing his history and gloating.

@The Harbinger of Ferocity

Sorry could you be more specific on who you are referring to? The article I posted doesn't say anything of the sort, and while the video was pretty snarky, I didn't see any calls to violence against him in it.

And as far as his history (in the article) they are his own words, public social media words at that, so I'm not sure why that is a bad thing, unless there is something else I haven't read yet.

[Penny]

@Dynamo Frokane Post sex Starbucks is the best Starbucks.

[POOHEAD189]

Literally this thread.

[The Harbinger of Ferocity]

I was not speaking to that article, @Dynamo Frokane. As I have reiterated, what little I saw or knew of him was previously described, and that itself was already limited - the attack certainly being more famous than anything else. As of recently I have seen nothing come up about him.

I am going off of the opinion that more or less getting him to admit it in person would be much more damaging than what he is going to write in terms of perception. If they wanted to actually make him out to be just as he wrote, it would have been best to approach him that way. Again, all I have seen about it was the screeching about how they "Found one." and immediately ignored it because it has no relevance to me or my affiliation. No less, they have cried wolf so many times, consider me disinterested to hear "X was outed as being a Y because of insert popular reason of the week."

[Dolerman]

I was not speaking to that article, @Dynamo Frokane. As I have reiterated, what little I saw or knew of him was previously described, and that itself was already limited - the attack certainly being more famous than anything else. As of recently I have seen nothing come up about him.

I am going off of the opinion that more or less getting him to admit it in person would be much more damaging than what he is going to write in terms of perception. If they wanted to actually make him out to be just as he wrote, it would have been best to approach him that way. Again, all I have seen about it was the screeching about how they "Found one." and immediately ignored it because it has no relevance to me or my affiliation. No less, they have cried wolf so many times, consider me disinterested to hear "X was outed as being a Y because of insert popular reason of the week."

@The Harbinger of Ferocity

But this sets up a serious need for clarification, because I'm not sure who 'they' are in regards to this conversation, all we have is the article, which tried to approach him and he refused to comment and the video, which contained footage of one his livestreams. If there is an opinion piece or article which contains the 'screeching' or 'crying wolf' as you described I would very much like to see it, as nothing has been presented so far.

And no one was suggesting he has relevance your affiliation, we are just talking politics in this thread.

[Andreyich]

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So the real problem with Nazi's is that they want to gas the WRONG people. Who knew.

@Penny

That's exactly what I thought. If they went for left-groups with the vehemence they went after Jews the world would be a whole lot nicer.

[Fabricant451]

Yeah, round up the left and let's really show them a white genocide.

[Dolerman]

>vehemence

>nice world

pick one.

[POOHEAD189]

white genocide.

@Fabricant451

That's a really good band name

[ZB1996]

There are some opinions which shouldn't be said no matter what.

[Fabricant451]

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That's a really good band name

@POOHEAD189

I'm partial to 'Great Replacement' myself.

[POOHEAD189]

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I'm partial to 'Great Replacement' myself.

@Fabricant451

You know when I was in Highschool, me and my two friends starting boasting about our new band 'Middle Finger to the System' and we'd see each other in class or in the hall and go "YO dude great band practice last night" when we didn't even see each other. I kind of want to do that with the Guild with one of these names.

[Andreyich]

6 million targeted at an innocent ethnic group vs. Six million targeted on a dangerous political group responsible for even more deaths. I can't believe people aren't quite clever enough to decide which is worse.