Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

[Polymorpheus]

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[Dolerman]

TL;DR Version: "Sorry not sorry."

@catchamber

Nor should he be.

[Gwynbleidd]

Everything is a lie. We are mere batteries for the machines.

[Andreyich]

Guys let's not argue to prove our point and just post a gif and a one liner then claim we're right because we're above the argument or some bullshit :DDDDD

[Dolerman]

Just want everyone to know I'm above all the arguing in this thread.

[Andreyich]

Tits :D

[Penny]

Were you expecting an apology from me about the way I speak

@The Harbinger of Ferocity

No.

[ZB1996]

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One useful technique for voicing opinions is to first check them for objective/subjective wording. You've written "there are some positions which are so vile" which is an opinion dressed up as fact. What you're actually saying is:

'there are some positions I find so vile that I think it would be best if people didn't believe in them'

I don't suppose I have to say much more than that for you to hear how that sounds.

@Lio

Yes, I think there are some positions which I think are so vile that people should not hold them. One of those positions might be that the holocaust would have been better if it had been more focused on some groups more than it was. I did not mean that such positions should be banned outright. I thought that there were some opinions which were nowadays naturally repellant to people, but it appears that I was wrong. Apparently it has not been decided yet whether the methodology of the Holocaust was a good or a bad thing.

[POOHEAD189]

Tits :D

@Andreyich

[Dolerman]

<Snipped quote by Penny>

Subtract all the racism, and confederacy is pretty awesome.

@mdk

[Andreyich]

Nice

[mdk]

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@Dynamo Frokane

So in Gawker the other day all the evil leftists were complaining that if illegal immigrants get deported they'll have no one to work in their fields or clean up their house for slave wages

[mickilennial]

So in Gawker the other day all the evil leftists were complaining that if illegal immigrants get deported they'll have no one to work in their fields or clean up their house for slave wages

@mdk

Classy.

[Dolerman]

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So in Gawker the other day all the evil leftists were complaining that if illegal immigrants get deported they'll have no one to work in their fields or clean up their house for slave wages

@mdk

Whataboutism (also known as whataboutery) is a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy that attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument, which is particularly associated with Soviet and Russian propaganda. When criticisms were leveled at the Soviet Union, the Soviet response would be "What about..." followed by an event in the Western world.

[Dolerman]

Most people in this thread are right wing, so I guess it's easy to see me as a leftist.

@POOHEAD189

[mdk]

<Snipped quote by mdk>

Whataboutism (also known as whataboutery) is a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy that attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument, which is particularly associated with Soviet and Russian propaganda. When criticisms were leveled at the Soviet Union, the Soviet response would be "What about..." followed by an event in the Western world.

@Dynamo Frokane

that..... wait, that was an argument? Are you arguing that I "call blacks lazy" and/or that there has been no immigration or reproduction of African-Americans for any reason other than cotton slavery?

Because I had assumed it was humor. But if that's serious, there's all KINDS of shit I could say about it.

[Lio]

Yes, I think there are some positions which I think are so vile that people should not hold them. One of those positions might be that the holocaust would have been better if it had been more focused on some groups more than it was. I did not mean that such positions should be banned outright. I thought that there were some opinions which were nowadays naturally repellant to people, but it appears that I was wrong. Apparently it has not been decided yet whether the methodology of the Holocaust was a good or a bad thing.

@ZB1996

It is easy to talk of things being "good" or "bad" after the fact, however it wasn't necessarily that the Nazi's themselves thought those methods "good" only that they thought they achieved a "good". I'm not agreeing with them but it is an important distinction, one that is easy to ignore when you're judging someone's actions retrospectively.

Ultimately the Nazi's only acted as they did to achieve their end goals and, despite some portrayals in fiction, no one believes themselves to be evil. It is hard to accept but there must have been some motivation behind what the Nazi's did in which they believed themselves to be achieving some "good".

Don't get me wrong, I understand this logic is easy to ignore when faced with the horrors of some actions taken to achieve this "good" but in the end Germany at the time believed itself to be doing some good. We might not be able to understand their motivations but I don't think that gives us the right to dictate an objective morality.

Fifty years ago "positions I find so vile I believe others shouldn't hold them" could have been the opinion held on gay people and gay marriage. If we start allowing that position to hold water now who knows who else will be oppressed through it.

[Dolerman]

<Snipped quote by Dynamo Frokane>

that..... wait, that was an argument? Are you arguing that I "call blacks lazy" and/or that there has been no immigration or reproduction of African-Americans for any reason other than cotton slavery?

Because I had assumed it was humor. But if that's serious, there's all KINDS of shit I could say about it.

@mdk

I mean if you respond to a confederacy meme with a totally irrelevant false-equivalency gawker article, it seems like you were the one trying to make an argument, not me bro.

But by all means tell me about those lazy blacks, sounds like a fascinating mdk rant in the making.

[POOHEAD189]

Because I had assumed it was humor. But if that's serious, there's all KINDS of shit I could say about it.

@mdk

[POOHEAD189]