Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

[Polymorpheus]

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[Andreyich]

Good thing those two are the spokespeople for their respective parties

That in no way counters my statement, once more learn to read.

You still haven't provided evidence that they're not democratic separatists.

Who? Moving my goalpost for me is a pretty ebin thing to do though, you're a smart guy I can see.

I asked you if you were implying that they're anarchists, and you didn't say no. Rather, you asked if they had decried the illegal actions of certain anarchists, as if they were expected to do so. Should I have interpreted your reply as a no?

I'm saying it's up to debate and there isn't any proof they are not in fact, anarchists considering the significant apologist attitude present. Once more, learn to read.

What "alternative facts"?

Ones that are untrue lol, i.e. when you didn't bother to read your own article

[Polymorpheus]

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[mdk]

You can't prove that they denied this arbitrary claim strongly enough to satisfy my arbitrary standard, therefore they are _________.

Pretty much the same logic used to paint every single republican as an everythingist. Not saying -- just saying. Habeus corpus my man.

[Penny]

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/10/trump-north-korea-work-171008041543749.html

Is it too late to change my specialty to trauma so I can LARP M*A*S*H?

On a more serious note, this kind of reminds me of Nixon's madman strategy.

[Andreyich]

It wasn't intended to counter your statement.

You: Take that anarchshits.
Me: You mean democratic separatists.
You: As it stands I don't believe in your bullshit so no
Me: Are you implying that President Carles Puigdemont is an anarchist, and the Parliament of Catalonia is full of other anarchists? Because they're the ones that led the referendum. If so, I'd love to see your evidence for that claim.
You: Have you seen them decry it a single time, like conservatives are expected to decry the kkk and other such movements? Anyway, you don't really provide any evidence beyond what can be referred to as "alternative facts."

You seem to be implying they're anarchists, rather than democratic separatists. Where's the evidence?

No, I'm saying it's possible and the reverse isn't proven. My initial statement was referring to the anarchist movement and you keep trying to shift my point for me, trying to start an "argument" so as to show how smart you are or some other retarded bullshit. Nice dude.

So, you're just making a baseless claim.

No, I'm saying that there isn't any anti-anarchist action done, and one person being apologist in their congress is already significant apologist attitude.

I did read the article, but I made a mistake about what Boya said. I've also admitted to making other mistakes, specifically about the number of seats for certain parties, and pointed them out for the sake of being honest.

You didn't retract the beliefs based on the original statement and keep arguing the original bullshit.

But you know, once again it's pretty ebin how you try to make a topic of argument out of where there wasn't one.

Also as an aside, I got a few giggles out of someone unironically using aljazeera as a source. I guess stormfront is reputable too then.

[POOHEAD189]

On a more serious note, this kind of reminds me of Nixon's madman strategy.

@Penny

I'd say you're right if I thought Trump was treating this as a strategy rather than a cliffhanger for the new Apprentice.

[Kratesis]

It blows my mind that Trump can take out the deepest field of GOP candidates in living memory and Hillary's billion dollar campaign but some people still think he is an idiot.

[mdk]

It blows my mind that Trump can take out the deepest field of GOP candidates in living memory and Hillary's billion dollar campaign but some people still think he is an idiot.

@Kratesis

Cognitive dissonance is a powerful thing. I'm not saying Trump is necessarily smart because of these things (a lot of the people you mentioned aren't smart) -- but that gut instinct to say "He disagrees with me and I am smart, therefore he is not smart" is a natural human reflex we have to recognize.

[POOHEAD189]

I'd say the fact Trump won just proves how misinformed people are rather than how informed he is, but then again he lost the popular vote.

I don't think he's a complete idiot bu- Ok I was going to give a concession for the sake of discussion, but I do think he's a complete idiot.

[mdk]

I don't think he's a complete idiot bu- Ok I was going to give a concession for the sake of discussion, but I do think he's a complete idiot.

@POOHEAD189

Why?

[POOHEAD189]

Well...he didn't initially understand the ramifications of nuclear fallout without needing to be told in no uncertain terms, he's given away key information to foreign diplomats in order to brag which has put lives in danger (the agent in question possibly died), he didn't know the uses of uranium, he didn't know that he wasn't the largest republican lead in a race since Reagan, he thinks coal power is clean, he's bankrupted a casino, he needs 1 page paper reports with his name mentioned often in order for him to continue to pay attention, and these are all without me needing to look up things I might have forgotten.

I don't hate him. I think he's bad for the presidency, definitely. But take away the name Trump, the GOP, the presidency, all of it, and look at all of the above about some random dude. You'd call him an idiot.

[Penny]

Has anyone coined the term Trumpologetics yet?

Holy crap apparently back in 2016

https://twitter.com/hashtag/trumpologetics?src=hash&lang=en

[POOHEAD189]

@Penny That's brilliant.

[Penny]

And here I thought I would be all clever.

[POOHEAD189]

Don't worry, we got 3 more years.

[Penny]

Look on the bright side it could be 7!

[mdk]

Well...he didn't initially understand the ramifications of nuclear fallout without needing to be told in no uncertain terms, he's given away key information to foreign diplomats in order to brag which has put lives in danger (the agent in question possibly died), he didn't know the uses of uranium, he didn't know that he wasn't the largest republican lead in a race since Reagan, he thinks coal power is clean, he's bankrupted a casino, he needs 1 page paper reports with his name mentioned often in order for him to continue to pay attention, and these are all without me needing to look up things I might have forgotten.

@POOHEAD189

A lot of what you're listing sounds subjective. What leads you to say he didn't understand nuclear fallout? What says he didn't know the uses of uranium? How do you assess his attention span?

Mind -- I'm not intending to present an argument that Trump is particularly smart (I probably could, but I'm not inclined). All I'm saying is, I'm hearing a feedback loop here, where actions are pre-judged to fit a conclusion, and then used as supporting evidence for that conclusion. That's not critical thinking, is all I'm saying.

[POOHEAD189]

You always know how to cheer me up!

[mdk]

Don't worry, we got 3 more years.

@POOHEAD189

ah ah ah