Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

[Andreyich]

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Eh, I kinda felt like it was weak. But isn't it still speculation? I wouldn't think anarchists would be organized enough to create a referendum, I think they would focus on a larger area than Catalonia, and I also think they'd be confident enough to outright say that is what they are. Plus if Catalonia devolved into anarchy, it would get put down very quickly.

@POOHEAD189

First off, anarchism =/= wanting "anarchy" per the dictionary definition of the term

And it's not really speculation since anarchism was always popular in Catalonia, and people were always rather public about it. Sure, there not ALL people who want the referendum to go forth are anarchists and not all anarchists want the referendum to go forth, but it's not that hard to connect the greater set of dots.

[Kratesis]

The CBC has a history of corruption so an scandal connected to one of their members (Yvette Clarke) doesn't surprise me at all.

[Polymorpheus]

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[POOHEAD189]

I'm thinking the anarchist movement in Catalonia is like the Neo-Nazi movement in the conservative party. Is it there? Yes. Is it the main body of them? No.

[Andreyich]

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Are you implying that President Carles Puigdemont is an anarchist, and the Parliament of Catalonia is full of other anarchists? Because they're the ones that led the referendum. If so, I'd love to see your evidence for that claim.

@catchamber

Have you seen them decry it a single time, like conservatives are expected to decry the kkk and other such movements? Anyway, you don't really provide any evidence beyond what can be referred to as "alternative facts."

I'm thinking the anarchist movement in Catalonia is like the Neo-Nazi movement in the conservative party. Is it there? Yes. Is it the main body of them? No.

Much bigger than any nazi movement.

[Polymorpheus]

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[Andreyich]

Actually, yes, I have.

Have you bothered to read that article yourself? The Tarda lad seems to slightly decry them but is alone in this, however the Catalonian Independence party member Ms. Boya did not, and said the attacks are symbolic, and are instead the fault of the sub-government's policy/the tourists themselves.

catchamber "facts" strike again.

[Polymorpheus]

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[POOHEAD189]

So who else thinks the latest Nobel Peace Prize was kinda horseshit

[Polymorpheus]

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[POOHEAD189]

I think it's horseshit because Nuclear weapons have been a deterrent towards large-scale warfare since their inception. I agree they are catastrophically dangerous, but they have without a doubt created more peace than any other instrument.

But I do agree with you as well. They also got stuff done with countries who already had no nuclear capabilities. @catchamber

[Polymorpheus]

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[POOHEAD189]

That is quite loose, though oddly enough I'm more comfortable with that. Either way, yes, I'd say it's not exactly Nobel worthy. It's almost as bad as when they gave Obama one for no other reason than it was the progressive choice.

[mdk]

That is quite loose, though oddly enough I'm more comfortable with that. Either way, yes, I'd say it's not exactly Nobel worthy. It's almost as bad as when they gave Obama one for no other reason than it was the progressive choice.

@POOHEAD189

and then he dropped ten times more bombs than George Bush.

[POOHEAD189]

Ok so, as usual, Catalonia's independence movement is steeped in history much like every other independence movement. Regional Spanish history isn't something I'm well versed in, but after looking into it, it's pretty easy to see why Catalonia is wanting the referendum.

Catalonia has its own unique customs and laws which were given fair respect and autonomy when they were under the rule of the Kingdom of Aragon. But they supported the wrong factions during various wars, namely fighting against the Spanish Habsburg monarchy and revolting various times, only to be put down swiftly. During the War of Spanish Succession, Barcelona was beseiged for 14 months and then conquered, and that led to their laws and customs being heavily suppressed. Not to mention the people of Catalonia are also more heavily taxed than many, if not all other Spanish provinces. So they are essentially trying to gain the Independence they have sought since the 15th century.

[Andreyich]

Thanks for correcting me, but Popular Unity Candidacy isn't exactly a big party, and you've yet to provide evidence that President Puigdemont is an anarchist, or that a vast segment of the Parliament of Catalonia supports violent anarchism. As it stands, CUP only makes up around 14% of the pro-independence side, and 8% of the Parliament. Is that enough to deem the pro-independents and Parliament pro-anarchist?

Again, show me a decrying of the anarchists from government members rather than an attempt at distraction. But, I'd like to also note that your whole premise is flawed since when I said "take the anarchshits" I was referring specifically to the anarchists.

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[Andreyich]

I already showed you that Congressman Joan Tardàis decried the vandalism that was purportedly done by anarchists, and he even stated that people may try to link the vandalism to the independence movement. While I agree that Popular Unity Candidacy may be pro-anarchist, you've yet to provide hard evidence that President Carles Puigdemont or the majority of Catalonia's Parliament are pro-anarchist. Until you do that, my premise that they're just democratic separatists still stands, because they're the ones that initiated the referendum.

So in the congress it's a 1v1 in numbers of decry via apologism. Nice.

I mean, if you're just shitting on a bunch of anarchists, that's a different story. If so, you should withdraw your implication that the President and majority of Parliament are on their side.

No, git gud at reading m8

[Polymorpheus]

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[Andreyich]

That assumes Assemblywoman Boya is actually an apologetic. If she is, which has yet to be proven, it's more like a 7v1, because Tardàis and Boya are the spokespeople for their respective parties.

In actual number of people to speak it's a 1v1

Here's what I said:

(what you actually said first)

You mean democratic separatists.

catchamber "facts" strike yet again.

You're implying that Puigdemont and the Parliament are anarchists, simply because they didn't decry them, so I pointed out that Tardàis did just that. You then corrected my inaccurate statement that Boya also decried them, but her words didn't explicitly condone the vandalism.

No, you can't read.

Basically, your point can be summarized as an argument from ignorance, which is a fallacy.

Once more, you can't read and like to use "alternative facts."

Your point(s) can be summarized as wrong.