Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

[Andreyich]

>dieting rather than just exercising more

Lol

[POOHEAD189]

I mean, if you're actually serious about it, you'll do every little thing. Plus working out a lot means you need some vitamins regardless.

[Penny]

Studies suggest portion control and diet have a significantly higher effect on weight loss than exercise does. This is not to negate the host of other health benefits that exercise provides including improved weight maintenance once losses have been achieved.

[Andreyich]

yeah but food and shit tastes good

and as it stands nutritional studies aren't really getting anywhere, if I search up "excercise is more important than diet" there are dozens of sources to support that. besides, farming/peasant folk tend to have quite fatty diets consisting of potatoes, fatty sausages, a lot of sugar, and salt yet tend to be more fit due to their heavy manual labour workload.

[Penny]

yeah but food and shit tastes good

@Andreyich

Food anyway. Tragically.

Energy expenditure across populations is actually relatively uniform due to a variety of systems the body has to manage energy consumption.

http://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(15)01577-8

Lower intake has a much greater effect than exercise in a majority of studies.

[Andreyich]

that's just like, your opinion man

[Penny]

My opinion, or that of meta-analysis of over sixty peer reviewed studies, either way. Should have just gone with google I guess.

[Andreyich]

Yeah I'm sure there aren't an approximately equal amount of articles to the contrary. 🔥🔥🔥

Here's a quick one translate.google.ca/translate?sl=auto…

[Penny]

No one is arguing that exercise doesn't make you healthier, merely that it isn't the major factor in weight loss.

Well regarded studies exist in the New England Journal of Medicine, The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, The Journal of Obesity and Related Metabolic Disorders and Journal of the American Medical Association.

[Andreyich]

The point is that exercise is more effective than dieting, this coming from articles originating from Denmark to Canada.

[mdk]

I dunno if it matters. Dieting is less coming in and exercise is more going out. What matters is how much you've got at the end of the day, and what you can stick with. For some people that means diet is more effective and for others that means exercise is more effective, and whichever one is the most, you know, cool and all -- but doing both is always better.

[mdk]

when you push your agenda, but then it pushes back

[The Harbinger of Ferocity]

For the first time there might be something to the Russian narrative as the Senate intends to investigate the Obama administration's actions and the involvement of Hillary Clinton... in the uranium and bribery department that is. Now I know @mdk had mentioned this before, as did I on the Guild's Discord, but it is still amusing no one is willing to bite on this story despite how many other "scandals" they were willing to bring forward.

This is not a point to gloat about, but rather instead a larger point about the deep seated corruption that had almost won a bid for presidency. This was no secret either - you can read about it for yourself in the article - and was known well in advance, something that was constantly being beaten down as "fake news" or unimportant during the election, yet here it is, in plain view for everyone to see. There is of course some pretty impressive damage control taking place so as to better sweep this under the rug and out of the eyes and mind of the average citizen, again, but let us not succumb to that. A fair number might want to ignore it, though the good news is, is that the cat is almost assuredly out of the bag now.

[Penny]

And so on. But hey eat like a pig and exercise like a Spartan if it makes you happy.

"Rather than increasing total energy expenditure linearly in response to physical activity, individuals tend to adapt metabolically to increased physical activity, muting the expected increase in daily energy throughput"

"The human body adapts dynamically to maintain total energy expenditure (TEE) within a narrow physiological range. Rather than increasing with physical activity in a dose-dependent manner, experimental and ecological evidence suggests the hypothesis that TEE is a relatively constrained product of our evolved physiology." - Constrained Total Energy Expenditure and the Evolutionary Biology of Energy Balance. Exerc Sport Sci Rev. 2015 Jul;43(3):110-6

"TEE adjusted for weight and age or PAL did not differ significantly between developing and industrialized countries, which calls into question the role of energy expenditure in the cause of obesity at the population level." - Energy expenditure in adults living in developing compared with industrialized countries: a meta-analysis of doubly labeled water studies. Am J Clin Nutr. 2011 Feb;93(2):427-41

"As expected, physical activity level, PAL, was greater among Hadza foragers than among Westerners. Nonetheless, average daily energy expenditure of traditional Hadza foragers was no different than that of Westerners after controlling for body size." Hunter-gatherer energetics and human obesity. PLoS One. 2012;7(7)

"variation in physical activity within the range engaged in by the US population is not modulating obesity risk. Only reduction in calorie intake will result in weight loss, whether done in isolation or together with increases in exercise." Physical activity does not influence obesity risk: time to clarify the public health message - International Journal of Epidemiology, Volume 42, Issue 6, 1 December 2013, Pages 1831–1836

"No statistically significant changes were found in energy intake or nonexercise physical activity that could explain the different compensatory responses associated with 30 vs. 60 min of daily aerobic exercise. In conclusion, a similar body fat loss was obtained regardless of exercise dose" Body fat loss and compensatory mechanisms in response to different doses of aerobic exercise--a randomized controlled trial in overweight sedentary males. Am J Physiol Regul Integr Comp Physiol. 2012 Sep 15;303(6)

"no differences were found based on different exercise durations and intensities in this group of sedentary, overweight women." Effect of Exercise Duration and Intensity on Weight Loss in Overweight, Sedentary Women A Randomized Trial. JAMA. 2003;290(10):1323–1330.

"PIs confirm that no difference would likely be observed between BWMP and diet-only programs in 95% of individual study settings." Diet or Exercise Interventions vs Combined Behavioral Weight Management Programs: A Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis of Direct Comparisons - Journal of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics Volume 114, Issue 10, October 2014, Pages 1557-1568

[mdk]

For the first time there might be something to the Russian narrative as the Senate intends to investigate the Obama administration's actions and the involvement of Hillary Clinton... in the uranium and bribery department that is. Now I know @mdk had mentioned this before, as did I on the Guild's Discord, but it is still amusing no one is willing to bite on this story despite how many other "scandals" they were willing to bring forward.

This is not a point to gloat about, but rather instead a larger point about the deep seated corruption that had almost won a bid for presidency. This was no secret either - you can read about it for yourself in the article - and was known well in advance, something that was constantly being beaten down as "fake news" or unimportant during the election, yet here it is, in plain view for everyone to see. There is of course some pretty impressive damage control taking place so as to better sweep this under the rug and out of the eyes and mind of the average citizen, again, but let us not succumb to that. A fair number might want to ignore it, though the good news is, is that the cat is almost assuredly out of the bag now.

@The Harbinger of Ferocity

*talks about dieting*

@Penny

That's about the response I've come to expect whenever Uranium One comes up.

They're already treating it like a parking ticket though

[Penny]

"talks about dieting"

@Penny

@mdk

I'm not talking about dieting. I'm talking about overall characteristics of diet as a component of weight loss.

[SleepingSilence]

Because politics will only get me fucking nowhere and people without self awareness to lob judgement at me. I will briefly pop my head in to point out, it's pretty obvious food intake is the most important to gaining and losing weight. Exercise is good for your muscles and bone health. You want to do both, if you want to diet and lose weight effectively. It's not healthy to not exercise, even if you're weight is fine. Not just because of weight. But all that matters is how many calories you take in and how many you burn off. In fact, some exercise, like weight lifting and such. Will make you -gain weight- just from muscle mass.

Source: Person that's doing that and has lost about 60 pounds in about six months. (40 in the first two from extreme ends with both. :D)

So now that I've responded in something I actually care about and can't be bitched at, I'll be back in my bunker.

[Dolerman]

I will briefly pop my head in

@SleepingSilence

Lets see how brief that turns out to be.

[SleepingSilence]

@Dynamo Frokane Can't help yourself can you? It's almost like your promise to not go out of your way to irritate me without any prompting was worthless.

[Dolerman]

@Dynamo Frokane Can't help yourself can you? It's almost like your promise to not go out of your way to irritate me without any prompting was worthless.

@SleepingSilence

I wasn't trying to irritate you, but I do specifically remember telling you to not passive-aggressively insult the thread for no goddamn reason, but you couldn't help yourself could you?

Because politics will only get me fucking nowhere and people without self awareness to lob judgement at me.

@SleepingSilence

But no go ahead and tell me that this wasn't directed at this thread and you were talking about the politics in the 'abstract'.