Well I disagree with those people regarding politics and therefore they are morally bankrupt.
Maybe not bankrupt, but in some cases filing chapter 11.
Well I disagree with those people regarding politics and therefore they are morally bankrupt.
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Common misconception in the West. The middle east is VERY homogeneous in terms of religion/ideology and it hasn't precisely been a hotbed of peace and unity. And before we blame ALLLLLLL of that on ebul Islam, Ireland wasn't much different back in the IRA glory days.
Everyone being the same (religion, political party, pick your physical or ideological denomination of choice) hasn't brought lasting peace in like any of the places it's happened. If anything it seems to make things worse. It's a total red herring.
The closest thing we've found to a panacea for violence, is democracy. Western democracies don't fight each other, like, ever, in the history of ever. I mean we bomb the living shit out of other countries, all day erry day, but if we just AMERICAIZED everybody else, that would totally stop happening right? So the answer to world peace is TOTAL CONQUEST. YOU MUST SURRENDER UNCONDITIONALLY OR THE BOMBS WILL CONTINUE WITHOUT END. IT'S FOR PEACE.
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Both of those are wrong. Islam has Sunnis and Shiites and there are weird cults of it too (weirder than the normal variant, that is) and Ireland had Catholicism and Protestancy.
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Kinda the point though isn't it? Europe got so Christian that people started killing one another over their flavor of Christian, and the same in the middle east with Islam (when they weren't fighting one another). Conformity gained nothing. It's really handy in a war, but not so much when trying to just exist as a country.
Nonsense. If you sufficiently raised the standard of living we could all unite behind hedonistic excess! People go for religion because their lives suck and/or they were brainwashed as children. It can eventually be overcome.
It is an impossibility for Religion to ever die out.
At every slightest discovery people have been going "aha, your religion's dead!" and that won't really stop happening because religion shan't ever die out in a real way; there will always be unanswered questions, and of course even if all of them are answered there will yet be more like "why this specific set of rules in the natural world instead of some other one?" which really can only be answered from a supernatural point of view.
Hedonistic excess was an attempt as an answer before but the people of this excess generally were "weaker" and lead to their own downfall; people of religion were the ones who usually pulled people out of these pitfalls, be it a long time ago with Constantine, Martin Luther, Kirkegaard, the counter-revolutionaries in Eastern Europe, or as of recent Prof. Jordan Peterson. We might some day outgrow organized religion but spirituality will never, ever really disappear.
Which really can only be answered from a supernatural point of view.
Hedonistic excess was an attempt as an answer before but the people of this excess generally were "weaker" and lead to their own downfall;
We might some day outgrow organized religion but spirituality will never, ever really disappear.
Religion has existed since the most primitive of days in human existence. No amount of effort to change or eliminate it will ever remove the spiritual question of mankind.
As it was said before, it is not the duty of science to disprove faith or the purpose of faith to ignore science. They are unrelated spheres that people have crossed. You can use one in the other and vice versa, but you dilute them both to varying extents.
Religion makes scientific claims. It always has. God created man, earth is the center of the universe and so on. In so much as religion makes false and baseless claims it IS the duty of science to disprove it.