[OOC] Deregulated: A space colonization roleplay

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@Dogematix

Ok, posting something basic for the crew, just gonna get work started.

[BingTheWing]

@gorgenmast I'm afraid I won't be able to commit to this RP, good luck tho

[Pepperm1nts]

That's unfortunate.

The start of RPs is always the toughest part. I get writer's block too and can't really figure out what to do, but when the ball gets rolling posts get easier to make. Gotta get that ball rolling first, though.

[Dinh AaronMk]

I just need to find time.

Unfortunately I found something to help distract me and cook it.

[Little Bill]

where da space mining @

[gorgenmast]

Okay, I'm going to admit I am having a hard time with my next post. Not sure how to really motivate this character and just unsure of how to procede. Suggestions would be welcome.

[Dinh AaronMk]

Meanwhile, I'm going to finish up this one post while Googer struggles.

In the meantime, I need more writing music. If anyone has any instrumental tracks to write to, that'd be great. I can easily dive into Copland or Gershwin or even the Tooth and Tail OST for background noise again but I like new shit.

[Ascendant]

I'm guessing this RP is more self-driven as opposed to GM-driven? And do we send in days worked or something?

[Pepperm1nts]

I'm guessing this RP is more self-driven as opposed to GM-driven? And do we send in days worked or something?

@Ascendant

It's self-driven, but it's not out of the question for Googer to step in at some point and include some kind of map-wide or regional event (maybe natural disasters?).

As for your second question: you don't have to send in how many days your group worked. You just post and your income and whatnot will be somewhat based on that. Creative posts will probably help more than "Joe mined the ground." but you just basically have to be active.

Okay, I'm going to admit I am having a hard time with my next post. Not sure how to really motivate this character and just unsure of how to procede. Suggestions would be welcome.

@gorgenmast

When in doubt, make shit go badly? That's usually my thought process. If I feel stuck I think of having something bad happen to my character so I can make a post focusing on that and the aftermath of whatever it is that happened. Something bad happens > handles it > finds himself in tough spot > is forced to play dirty to bounce back from tough spot > in doing so, establishes contact/business with other characters.

[gorgenmast]

I am no longer stumped thanks to Hugs. Next post is in progress right now.

[Ascendant]

This RP hasn't quite gone how I thought it would, so have fun, guys.

[Dinh AaronMk]

@Ascendant

Is it because people aren't posting as much as they should/could?

[Pepperm1nts]

mrw people drop out

[DeletedUser9Gh7]

I'm joining!

[Ascendant]

My leaving has more to do with the disorganization of the RP and that the mechanical aspects are suspect.

[Pepperm1nts]

@Ascendant

Ehh, the GM has done a pretty solid job. The RP has a solid OP with all the information you need, including two versions of a map. The IC was started promptly, which from experience I can say is always a plus. Both Googer and I have been answering all the questions you've had. The stat and roll system has been explained in-depth by Googer and you were told that it would expand as the RP progressed. Right now, the catalogue is small because we're meant to start from the bottom, but the plan is to reach a point where there are mechs, aircraft, and all kinds of goodies to play around with. So no offense, but I'm not really buying the "disorganization" excuse.

And in what way are the mechanics "suspect"? I will grant that Googer's model will probably evolve with the RP as he figures out how to best handle stats and whatnot, but considering the RP literally just started and not even a single turn has passed, you really can't know whether or not the system is flawed. And I hope you're not alluding to unfairness or whatever, because that concern has even less of a foundation.

People drop out of RPs, and that's fine. No hard feelings. It's disappointing to see people come and go without giving the RP a chance, but ultimately that is your choice and it's whatever. But these claims of "disorganization" aren't fair and I don't really appreciate it given the work that Googer put into the RP and into answering your questions, and rolling your stats, and all that shit he certainly would not have bothered doing if the RP was "disorganized." So, yeah, nah. If you're leaving because you're disappointed the RP didn't start off with a dramatic freefall into an active volcano, just say that upfront instead of conjuring up problems with "disorganization" and "suspect" mechanics.

[Dinh AaronMk]

tfw reading a book about cod and get to the part about the founding of the Massachusetts colony.

Holy shit, how did it live.

Hider

>Be John Smith
>Want to fish for cod
>Already been to the newly dubbed New England a few times before, even mapped it
>Get with puritan buddies and petition king for land grant
>"What for"
>Fish
>"ok"
>Get there
>Don't know how to fish
>Never brought any equipment
>Don't even know how to farm
>Can only loot native food caches to get by, learn to do this really good
>Native Americans attempt to teach you how to fish for the bounty that's all around you
>Literally six-foot sturgeons all in the rivers and hearty shell fish everywhere
>Lobsters swarming over beaches because so many at sea
>"Fuck strange food. Fuck off."
>Years pass
>More keep coming
>No one knows how to fish
>Somehow survive
>Finally admit some level of defeat and send to momma England for tools
>Hire some independent contractors to teach colony to fish
>Start raking in the bank
>Build Boston

I swear to fucking god, I think most or some of us really missed out on some comically tragic series of failures in apps and opening.

[Ascendant]

It's disorganized and if you want to get in my face and try to start an argument for some reason, be my guest.

I'm talking about in the sense of us just deciding what happens on our own. There is no clear cut way that the turns work. If there is some time limit. How it's actually determined. To give you a straight up example, Theodorable's RPs are typically pretty clear. Things get moved forward usually expediently. The world moves on with or without the players. This is an exotic planet and we're supposed to just make animals and plants up? I am expected to know how this mining worke? I'm expected to assume ore is even found? This kind of RP does not function well when what happens is driven purely by the players. This is the GM's world. It is his idea. His baby. He, and only he, can determine how everything works because he himself designed the mechanics and lore.

I simply feel that more leadership and direction should be provided if this type of NRP is going to be made, because it has stats, it is similar to an actual game. Googer is acting as less of a GM and more of a player as far as I can tell. Deciding to let us determine if bad things happen. Not assuming direct control of NPCs. The role of GM is vastly different from player. And a player is definitely what he appears to be from what I can tell.

I am not putting either of you down. I simply feel the RP lacks direction, leadership, organization, and probably lore. I do not want to write a post and say something works one way and infringe on Gorgen's ideas and world. The same goes for creation of animals and plant life. But perhaps my concept of GM is just vastly different than either of yours.

[Pepperm1nts]

I'm talking about in the sense of us just deciding what happens on our own.

This is a literary roleplay. It says it right on the OP. Here, I'll do some more of the work for you:

This is for Deregulated, a space colonization roleplay set approximately 200-350 years in the future on the exoplanet SEVI-T3 - Ember. Deregulated is an advanced, literary RP with some stat elements included. While I intend to have dice rolls and stats play a part in this roleplay, the primary purpose of this roleplay is to build an intriguing collaborative story while building and exploring an entire alien planet

I'll even break it down:

This is a literary RP, meaning it's focused on detailed writing. Stats are secondary. There are rolls involved, but the idea is and has always been that this is first and foremost a collaborative story. Nothing has changed. No-one pulled a wool over your eyes. You simply misunderstood, to put it simply and nicely.

You are still expected to help build the world. The stat elements are the only part Googer is going to have full, direct control of, and he's going well out of his way to keep track of them so you don't have to. The world-building is up to you and everyone else.

Plenty of information was provided, and the parts that weren't elaborated on are meant to be built on by the players. Look at Aaron's posts. He has thus far almost singlehandedly built the lore for the Federation's coup, dropping names of important individuals and everything. He took the basic idea of a coup on Earth and turned it into a story. In just two posts from him, he has established a pretty solid story using the essentials provided to him by the OP. That's what you do in literary RPs. In all literary RPs.

This is an exotic planet and we're supposed to just make animals and plants up? I am expected to know how this mining worke? I'm expected to assume ore is even found?

Yep. That's what creative writing is. If you want to take part in a story where everything is already there for you, down to what the plants look like, you can always boot up a gaming platform of your choice and press some buttons for a few hours. This is literary RP, not a straight-up game. The essentials have been laid out for you, the stats are being tracked. Googer has done plenty as GM. Unfortunately, he can't do the writing for you.

Deciding to let us determine if bad things happen. Not assuming direct control of NPCs. The role of GM is vastly different from player. And a player is definitely what he appears to be from what I can tell.

This is actually something that is on the table, and you were told it was when you asked. The idea of throwing hazards at players will likely be explored. He and I spoke yesterday about the storms on Ember, which would likely be so powerful that when announced, would force players to relocate. The RP just started, though. People are still settling down and some haven't even posted their introductory posts.

Are there some things that in hindsight the RP could be doing better? Of course. But there is still time to improve them. We literally just started.

And the essentials are there, as I said. Everything you need to build a story, and to build the world, is there. You have the basics you need to help create this world. And that is exactly what Googer intended. He didn't leave blanks because he couldn't be bothered to fill them. He's filled plenty of those blanks, actually. And the ones that haven't been filled, are there to be filled by the players. He is giving you the opportunity to contribute to the lore of the RP, the way that Aaron and others are doing. The fact that you're not interested in doing that is your issue and not really the RP's.

[Ascendant]

I don't have an interest in letting such major things like the Federation coup be determined by people that aren't the GM.