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Hot damn someone knows what i can do shit i take my hat off for you my good crazy sir ;D


black mamba, third most toxic snake in the world,
LD50 of 1.2 miligrams.
mortality rate if bitten and untreated 100%
mortality rate if treated instantly 15%.
mortality time 15 minutes.
second fastest snake in the world after the fer de lance.

nice choice.
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black mamba, third most toxic snake in the world, LD50 of 1.2 miligrams.mortality rate if bitten and untreated 100%mortality rate if treated instantly 15%.mortality time 15 minutes.second fastest snake in the world after the fer de lance. nice choice.


Cheater! You totally wikipedia'd that.
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indeed though people dont normaly know that im afraid


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Cheater! You totally wikipedia'd that.


The feared Black Mamba is found throughout many parts of the African continent. They are known to be highly aggressive, and strike with deadly precision. They are also the fastest land snake in the world, capable of reaching speeds of up to 20km/h. These fearsome snakes can strike up to 12 times in a row. A single bite is capable of killing anywhere from 10-25 adults. The venom is a fast acting neurotoxin. Its bite delivers about 100–120 mg of venom, on average; however, it can deliver up to 400 mg. If the venom reaches a vein, 0.25 mg/kg is sufficient to kill a human in 50% of cases. The initial symptom of the bite is local pain in the bite area, although not as severe as snakes with hemotoxins. The victim then experiences a tingling sensation in the mouth and extremities, double vision, tunnel vision, severe confusion, fever, excessive salivation (including foaming of the mouth and nose) and pronounced ataxia (lack of muscle control). If the victim does not receive medical attention, symptoms rapidly progress to severe abdominal pain, nausea and vomiting, pallor, shock, nephrotoxicity, cardio toxicity and paralysis. Eventually, the victim experiences convulsions, respiratory arrest, coma and then death. Without antivenin, the mortality rate is nearly 100%, among the highest of all venomous snakes. Depending on the nature of the bite, death can result at any time between 15 minutes and 3 hours.
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Cheater! You totally wikipedia'd that.


Incorrect, I am studying toxicology and virology at Glasgow university, My current research is in to snakes and spider venoms as possible treatments for genetic diseases.

For instance there is a very unique spider that lives in the western amazon, its bite has the same effect as multiple sclerosis, however in a localized area, I am currently researching a possible use for its antivenom in slowing the effects of Multiple Sclerosis. I just got lucky this one time.

I can do science me!
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The feared Black Mamba is found throughout many parts of the African continent. They are known to be highly aggressive, and strike with deadly precision. They are also the fastest land snake in the world, capable of reaching speeds of up to 20km/h. These fearsome snakes can strike up to 12 times in a row. A single bite is capable of killing anywhere from 10-25 adults. The venom is a fast acting neurotoxin. Its bite delivers about 100–120 mg of venom, on average; however, it can deliver up to 400 mg. If the venom reaches a vein, 0.25 mg/kg is sufficient to kill a human in 50% of cases. The initial symptom of the bite is local pain in the bite area, although not as severe as snakes with hemotoxins. The victim then experiences a tingling sensation in the mouth and extremities, double vision, tunnel vision, severe confusion, fever, excessive salivation (including foaming of the mouth and nose) and pronounced ataxia (lack of muscle control). If the victim does not receive medical attention, symptoms rapidly progress to severe abdominal pain, nausea and vomiting, pallor, shock, nephrotoxicity, cardio toxicity and paralysis. Eventually, the victim experiences convulsions, respiratory arrest, coma and then death. Without antivenin, the mortality rate is nearly 100%, among the highest of all venomous snakes. Depending on the nature of the bite, death can result at any time between 15 minutes and 3 hours.


Based on the fact that you're many times the size of the Black Mamda, you should be able to kill a dude in five minutes.
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The feared Black Mamba is found throughout many parts of the African continent. They are known to be highly aggressive, and strike with deadly precision. They are also the fastest land snake in the world, capable of reaching speeds of up to 20km/h. These fearsome snakes can strike up to 12 times in a row. A single bite is capable of killing anywhere from 10-25 adults. The venom is a fast acting neurotoxin. Its bite delivers about 100–120 mg of venom, on average; however, it can deliver up to 400 mg. If the venom reaches a vein, 0.25 mg/kg is sufficient to kill a human in 50% of cases. The initial symptom of the bite is local pain in the bite area, although not as severe as snakes with hemotoxins. The victim then experiences a tingling sensation in the mouth and extremities, double vision, tunnel vision, severe confusion, fever, excessive salivation (including foaming of the mouth and nose) and pronounced ataxia (lack of muscle control). If the victim does not receive medical attention, symptoms rapidly progress to severe abdominal pain, nausea and vomiting, pallor, shock, nephrotoxicity, cardio toxicity and paralysis. Eventually, the victim experiences convulsions, respiratory arrest, coma and then death. Without antivenin, the mortality rate is nearly 100%, among the highest of all venomous snakes. Depending on the nature of the bite, death can result at any time between 15 minutes and 3 hours.


thats wikapidia'ing it!
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Incorrect, I am studying toxicology and virology at Glasgow university, My current research is in to snakes and spider venoms as possible treatments for genetic diseases. For instance there is a very unique spider that lives in the western amazon, its bite has the same effect as multiple sclerosis, however in a localized area, I am currently researching a possible use for its antivenom in slowing the effects of Multiple Sclerosis. I just got lucky this one time. I can do science me!


Impressive.

However, I wish to return to the matter at hand. I find your mountain-sized dragon to be massively overpowered compared to the average power level of the group, and that he needs to be nerfed. Anyone agree, or am I alone in this sentiment?
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Based on the fact that you're many times the size of the Black Mamda, you should be able to kill a dude in five minutes.


Speed of a toxin does not change according to the dosage, it changes according to the toxin and how fast the heart is beating. he is still a black mamba, and thus still has the same toxin, though he can strike several more times in a row, a lot faster, and can deliver deeper in to the body, actually from the observations made, he should be able to deliver directly to the heart itself with a chest strike.
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Speed of a toxin does not change according to the dosage, it changes according to the toxin and how fast the heart is beating. he is still a black mamba, and thus still has the same toxin, though he can strike several more times in a row, a lot faster, and can deliver deeper in to the body, actually from the observations made, he should be able to deliver directly to the heart itself with a chest strike.


Makes sense to me. However, am I correct in my belief that the larger dose will cause it to affect creatures that would normally be too large for it?
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*Sniff* im so lovely

eddieddi said thats wikapidia'ing it!


Nope Cut cesta
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Makes sense to me. However, am I correct in my belief that the larger dose will cause it to affect creatures that would normally be too large for it?


Not quite, as a nurotoxin it dosn't 'bind' or 'use itself up' the dosage, as stated above is 0.2mg/kg so at a 1:1 ratio (so a 10kg creature getting 2mg) would take 15 minutes due it being the fastest possible time, and it would build up from there, there is a 'minimum' lethal dosage, but it is a cumulative poison, so unless the creature was more than of the top of my head 2k kilograms then one strike would kill it (from a standard mamba) so yes, he can kill larger creatures in one bite, but like a mamba he can strike several times. so size isn't an issue.
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Way too much science for me
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Soo FEAR LE ME ! for ME are dangerous and quite posinous
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Way too much science for me


not for me because i quite like this here
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I don't mind the discussion even if it is above my head
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Impressive.However, I wish to return to the matter at hand. I find your mountain-sized dragon to be massively overpowered compared to the average power level of the group, and that he needs to be nerfed. Anyone agree, or am I alone in this sentiment?


Agree or disagree, but don't ignore me -_- That's just plain rude!
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Agree or disagree, but don't ignore me -_- That's just plain rude!


I think most people arn't phased. as I have said Alexander cannot use his full powers at the moment, only partial transformation, lower arms, wings, tail and the spines down his back and arms.
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Agree or disagree, but don't ignore me -_- That's just plain rude!


I didn't see your post. I think a statuim size dragon is acceptable. Dragons aren't little
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I think most people arn't phased. as I have said Alexander cannot use his full powers at the moment, only partial transformation, lower arms, wings, tail and the spines down his back and arms.


I honestly think most people are avoiding talking about it based on the risk of the discussion dissolving into a fight, meaning that regardless of whether they agree or disagree, they wish to ignore the matter, which annoys me. However, my analysis may be incorrect.
And just growing to 1/100th of your max size would make you far too powerful. However, if the general opinion is, in fact, that your character requires no nerfing, I shall back down. I simply don't like it when one character is so grossly more powerful than the rest.
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