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I think one of the better house rules I've seen in my time for stand users in a RP that has other canons involved went something like: stands count as ghosts/spirits/auras for people that can detect and interact with those kinds of things. Makes them seem less like their own special club.
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In theory, that's feasible canonically, but Stands are their own special thing. That is kind of the point, a core theme of them even.
As long as being able to see them doesn't translate to being able to actually hurt them however, I wouldn't be too fussed. Still means it should be invisible to the vast majority. I'm a bit of a stickler for canonical accuracy if I'm going to play a preexisting character, so I'd rather hope to not have the entire premise of Stands undermined, especially given the fact that we have Ben freaking 10 (who is actually nuts, given he should still have Way Big) and Terra (self-explanatory). Bruno is also the only hero so far, aside from Merlin, that cannot feasibly (within a reasonable time/with reasonable ease) destroy a city/army without some extreme liberties being taken, so in terms of "special club" stuff, I really don't see the issue in this area. Bruno has his areas of expertise, and he is most certainly vastly outclassed by his potential teammates in multiple areas of their own.

Oh, and on that thought, I think the Omnitrix may be able to scan Buccirati, given that Stands are genetic after exposure to the virus that grants them. Granted, the virus may also be more spiritual in nature (heavily implied by the core plot of Part 3), and Ben would only get a Stand unique to himself out of the deal. There's also the fact that he may have to actually pass the Test of Worthiness given by the virus, which should be no issue for someone like him honestly, but it's there.
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@Lewascan2 It's not even canon to JJBA that nothing except Stands can affect or detect stands; both Cheap Trick (a stand) and Kira (a stand user) were killed by the ghosts of Reimi's alley.

I only mean "special club" as the idea of a superpower that is completely undetectable and uncounterable by the rest of the cast, because only characters from the same property (of which we have none so far) would be able to meaningfully interact with it.

Stands also aren't genetic, they're the ripple of the soul, an expression of spiritual energy into a battle-avatar. The Joestar family all has stands because The World is a fucked up stand, not because they're genetic stand users.
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@Dead Cruiser Kira was already dead, but Cheap Trick is a fair argument (though it could be said that he was also sort of dead after killing his original User). Still, the ghosts of the alley are... pretty bullshit canonically, considering what they actually supposedly do to Kira.

That "special club" thing is kind-of a nonargument in the face of Merlin's magic (which no-one else has), Ben's hilariously versatile options, Danny's powers also being their own thing and extremely versatile/extensive besides, and Terra (who needs no further explanation). That said, as I generally tried to convey, I've no issue as long as it makes sense. Stands are a projection of the soul; by that logic, only things that can sense/affect the soul/spirit should be applicable, even if it isn't another Stand. That, at least, makes sense. And sure, poor Jason is kind of in a pickle... but that goes for nearly every other match-up he could have.

That aside, despite any possible illusion to the contrary, Bruno is not anywhere close to indomitable, especially if he's being played in-character and not OOC munchkinned (though he is very much a canonical munchkin with his ability). Unlike the rest of his compatriots, he is fully human with all the inherent weaknesses. He has no special defenses against exotic/unknown abilities. He cannot heal or breathe in space. He's not unageing or immortal by any definition of the word. His Stand is also not automatic or a passive defense, nor does he canonically demonstrate any notable proficiency for some of the more exploitable universal Stand abilities, like selective tangibility. Taking both his personality and the RP's location into account, he's actually fairly vulnerable by comparison. He can and has been caught off guard to lethal effect canonically, even if he was able to make a come-back.

Stands not being genetic? They kind of are, spiritually so sure, but that is definitely the case. The issue is that the only family we really interact with is the Joestars, Okayasu and his brother, and Pucci and his brother, so there's limited exposure to other examples. But I don't recall a case of siblings/family displayed where they didn't all have Stands if they were descended from someone with one. All of the above examples either got a Stand from an arrow directly or inherited it due to spiritual genetics. The Joestars aren't some exception to the rule even with Fate hounding them.
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Sup. Nice gif.
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Revengeance Rising is the gift that never stops giving.

Wait...

Holy shit, I should play Senator Armstrong as a villain.
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I would love to see Armstrong. Also yeah, theoretically Ben can transform into a Stand user, but only if the Omnitrix had its safeguard against mutant forms removed. As it stands (heh), Stand users are (mostly) Humans with a genetic/spiritual abnormality to them, and would therefore be normally unobtainable.

I can see the argument on Stands being overbearing, so here's my be-all-end-all statement on them to simplify things. In the Paradox Engine, Stands are fully visible to all individuals, so that some people won't have to fight against an invisible, untraceable force, but beyond that, function identically to normal. Still means Stands have quite a few advantages on non-Stand users, but it won't make them pretty much impossible to handle unless the character somehow knows prior what will happen with said Enemy Stand User.

....And yes, that's a Jojo's reference.
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@Mintz
Coolio. I will definitely seriously consider slapping an Armstrong CS down in here. He would be... interesting to have around, let's say.

As expected, the Omnitrix is absolute universal levels of bullshit, but that limit makes sense.

I will accept this nerf with grace and dignity. Honestly, it could have been worse. Anything else you want adjusted, or am I good to pop the new Team Soccer Mom in with the rest? XD
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You're good my man! I, uh, sorta forgot to make a review, but, well...Bruno is Bruno, I ain't got much to say. He's good to go! Hope he's ready to deal with some teenagers....And a really, really old man. xD
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I don’t think Danny has ever dealt with anything non ghost related. I don’t think he realizes how OP ghost powers can be outside of the specific things he fights against.
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@Crimson Flame There's gonna be a lot of that "Out of context overpowered" going around, I feel, especially with literally everyone in the team functioning on practically completely separate individual power sets/rules. XD
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Don't ask Terra how her powers work. You'll come away more confused than before you asked.
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Never participated in a multi-franchise RP before. I think I'll throw my hat in the ring and see how it goes.

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Never participated in a multi-franchise RP before. I think I'll throw my hat in the ring and see how it goes.



Of all the characters from Pokémon to include 😆
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For a time, I was considering Brock. I started the sheet. The quote was going to be him calling his trust frying pan into a drying pan. But I thought we needed another villain. Gen 4 is my favorite, so a choice of villain was easy.
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Red is on my list of second character options.

Though it would be this Red. Not the “…” nonsense from the games.

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@Randomness Ooh, our first proper villain! sorrynotsorry Jason Cyrus is an unexpected choice, but a very cool one at that! He's definitely accepted, although unsurprisingly, the Time/Space Manipulating capabilities of Dialga/Palkia respectively will be fairly restrained.

But yes, he's accepted! Glad to have you.
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