[OOC] Precipice of War - We Write Under The Sign Of The Goat

[zombieaccount]

All the more reason to want to put finland back together.

[Dinh AaronMk]

Not exactly. You got tremendous costs associated with doing so that would most likely bankrupt the country. I'm pretty sure jingoism would be refrained even, because you'd be going in to do something expensive without the slightest bit of suggestion it'll pay off well into the long term. Because what else can Finland supply to the Swedish market it can't get already on its own, or even from mainland Europe? Shit, even Finnish Pine Tar is inferior to Stockholm Tar.

[Vilageidiotx]

Not exactly. You got tremendous costs associated with doing so that would most likely bankrupt the country. I'm pretty sure jingoism would be refrained even, because you'd be going in to do something expensive without the slightest bit of suggestion it'll pay off well into the long term. Because what else can Finland supply to the Swedish market it can't get already on its own, or even from mainland Europe?

@Dinh AaronMk

To add to this, Sweden was never a culture that tended toward Jingoism. If your politician says "We should put Finland back together to show our resolve!" you would get groans. To Swedes in this world, Finland is a thing to avoid.

[Dinh AaronMk]

Besides, Finland left Swedish control centuries ago. No one cares.

[Pepperm1nts]

I really doubt Sweden could put Finland back together. The costs would be too much. That, and the fact that costs aren't the only obstacle in your way. You've got Sven up north and he really likes his independence. You could give South Finland aid, sure. Maybe both Finlands could get aid. You'd certainly gain the hearts of some people who'll appreciate it. But Sweden is not capable of rebuilding a nation on its own. At best, you could gain some good-guy points and the support of some people, but you are not going to be able to turn the country around without destroying your own. And some potatoes aren't going to convince the South Finns to join Sweden, either.

[zombieaccount]

So it is, Sweden is a neutral country so much so that any form of action in the geopolitical sense is unacceptable. Which means I will instead have Sweden in recent times take a role like switzerland since the other switzerland was invaded and under prussian influence. Sweden has a lot going for it in that regard, being a neutral country in a place hard to get at along with having a stable, secure state. Not sure on privacy though.

[Pepperm1nts]

Switzerland is not being invaded by Prussians. And I think that was heavily retconned to have been a brief campaign by the surrounding countries to basically get their money back after Switzerland made some huge loans it couldn't pay back. But it's over now, and the damage wouldn't have been widespread. Prussian influence is probably minimal and not much beyond Switzerland watching its ass because it knows it can be invaded. Freddy isn't telling their President what to do. EDIT: oZode edited his post so now this makes a bit less sense.

[zombieaccount]

I double checked. However wouldn't the prussian influence make switzerland less neutral in this world?

[Pepperm1nts]

I double checked. However wouldn't the prussian influence make switzerland less neutral in this world?

@zombieaccount

Prussian influence is probably minimal and not much beyond Switzerland watching its ass because it knows it can be invaded. Freddy isn't telling their President what to do.

So not influence as much as just fear of getting steamrolled again, that happens to affect their decision-making.

[zombieaccount]

Wouldn't the swiss not paying their debts, being invaded by multiple countries at once and having the prussian military trained on their country encase they get into debt again [from what I can tell] put swiss reliability as a secure and private place to have money stored into question? Anyhow, i'll be making my sheet.

[Meiyuuhi]

I honestly feel Norway would be better for what you're going for than Sweden.

[zombieaccount]

I've been considering such option.

[Rare]

Zombie, you are not going to win this battle...

[zombieaccount]

What battle? I've been just asking questions and pushing ideas of what I want to do. I will admit a bit of frustration with the relative lack of options Sweden has in comparison to other countries due to their neutral, non-jingolistic culture and geographic isolation but calling it a battle I find a bit sensationalist.

[Pepperm1nts]

What do you want to be able to do with your nation, exactly?

[zombieaccount]

Have economic/financial power of some sort that is politically conservative. I don't care to be a big player in this RP at all, even with my putting finland back together nonsense I was keeping to the Scandinavian region in terms of influence. Which is why Mihndar's suggestion I am seriously considering at this point. Since I know Norway has oil to sell, a prospect I presume hasn't been butterflied away. Not sure if the there is a technological limit there, since the RP is currently in the 1980's and Norway found oil around 1963 or so in our world. Here it might be delayed by a decade, but by 1980 extracting the oil should be plausible.

[Pepperm1nts]

Why not Colombia, or some other South American nation with oil? South America has a good bit of resources and the potential for nations to rise and become strong. There is a lot of underdevelopment there, but that just gives you something to do. And if you work on fixing up whatever problems the nation has, and make use of its resources, you can become a regional power. Your reach beyond South America will be very limited, but if you played things right and it all made sense, you could justify them spreading out their influence. I mean, look at Armenia. Evan took a country nobody knows anything about and, through sheer post count (and a bit of creativity) turned it into something strong in the region that has been able to spread its influence as far as Greece. And if you want to be able to fight shit, you'd have guerrillas there that can be your punching bag whenever you feel the urge. There's a lot of potential with that too. Some jungle storyarc with guerrilla fighters could be really interesting. Plus you'd have Mihn to keep you company. You would be less restricted in South America than you would be as Norway. I mean, even real-life Norway is pretty weak and just sort of.. there. EDIT: Also there's this to strive for, and fight Mihn about: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gran_Colombia

[zombieaccount]

South America's available? Didn't mihndar monopolize the whole continent?

[Pepperm1nts]

We retconned it. He only plays Brazil and the South American Confederacy was turned into a EU-like economic union, whereas before it was almost a full-blown union that included military support.

[Meiyuuhi]

Doesn't mean I have to like it. And it's still a barren storyline wasteland.