[OOC] Precipice of War - We Write Under The Sign Of The Goat

[null123]

Someone has already posted a app as Brazil, so no.

[Chapatrap]

Rare said
Could I join as Brazil?

You could join as another south/central American nation, though, since they're all available.

[The Nexerus]

How much can we diverge from established canon in regards to what our nation does once we start roleplaying them?

I was thinking of taking Kazakhstan and realigning against the Communists.

[Dinh AaronMk]

I don't think it'll be a sudden movement if you do since China still has guys there and they're still keeping the nation armed, if with yesterday's gear. And switching sides against China would probably lead to a pretty large scale carpet-bomb campaign to neutralize the threat. So there's a fair bit of political pressure.

[The Nexerus]

So that would be a 'no', then.

[Dinh AaronMk]

The Nexerus said
So that would be a 'no', then.

Yup.

[Vilageidiotx]

If you can make it make sense, then it is OK. Historically, the possibility of war hasn't discouraged every rebellion ever possibly, after all. Kazak nationalists probably aren't too fond of the Chinese infringing on their sovereignty.

But it isn't going to be too simple. If the Kazaks are democratic, I would suspect their elections are rigged heavily in favor of the Chinese parties, so it would take a military coup or a large scale civilian revolt to change the government. You won't have the current government meeting up and saying "You know what? Let us be anti-communist now." That just doesn't happen.

[The Nexerus]

Vilageidiotx said
If you can make it make sense, then it is OK. Historically, the possibility of war hasn't discouraged every rebellion ever possibly, after all. Kazak nationalists probably aren't too fond of the Chinese infringing on their sovereignty.But it isn't going to be too simple. If the Kazaks are democratic, I would suspect their elections are rigged heavily in favor of the Chinese parties, so it would take a military coup or a large scale civilian revolt to change the government. You won't have the current government meeting up and saying "You know what? Let us be anti-communist now." That just doesn't happen.

They're not communist right now. Their canon says only that the Chinese offer military support to the Kazakhs. It's safe to assume that the only reason they do this is to ensure the existence of another rival state to both the Russians and the Persians.

Oh, and unless demographics have changed in Central Asia for this RP (a lot), less than a fifth of the people living in that country are Kazahs. They wouldn't even be the largest ethnicity.

[Chapatrap]

The Nexerus said
How much can we diverge from established canon in regards to what our nation does once we start roleplaying them? I was thinking of taking Kazakhstan and realigning against the Communists.

You can realign yourself with the right but you would have to be careful with it. Very careful.

Also, because you're Kazakhstan, it leaves an excuse for you to be the butt of our Borat jokes.

[Vilageidiotx]

The Chinese aren't know for respecting the sovereignty of their sphere in this RP, so communist aligned comes with as much baggage as being communist, at least from the perspective of . I think the results are the same. Unless the current government is faces with a noticeable change in their relationship, it will retain its stance unless pressured enough by the military or civilian population.

[Dinh AaronMk]

Chinese-friendly Kazakhstan existed as a buffer against the Ottoman Empire originally. Though with their fall Chinese military interest shifted to keeping a watch on the broken states to the north in an attempt to forestall its spread to the former Imperial territory in the south, or to provide an extra spring-board location should they need to flank.

Persia, as rising a power it is, doesn't really have the capabilities to fight China and I remember Veo saying in IC at least once that if they entered a protracted conflict with China they'd suffer economically. Though Chinese troops in the region could also be used to prevent the growth of Perisa to prevent it from encompassing Greater Iran.

[The Nexerus]

Vilageidiotx said
The Chinese aren't know for respecting the sovereignty of their sphere in this RP, so communist aligned comes with as much baggage as being communist, at least from the perspective of . I think the results are the same. Unless the current government is faces with a noticeable change in their relationship, it will retain its stance unless pressured enough by the military or civilian population.

Kazakhstan isn't in the Cominterm, or whatever that red shading on the map is called. If they're not an open slate, their summary should be changed to reflect that.

[Dinh AaronMk]

The Nexerus said
Kazakhstan isn't in the Cominterm, or whatever that red shading on the map is called. If they're not an open slate, their summary should be changed to reflect that.

They are open but they've had prior dealings with the Chinese state.

It's hoped by this, and that they agreed to have Chinese boots on the ground and to receive Chinese weapons, that the Kazakh political structure would be warm to China, though not necessarily Communist or socialist in itself.

[The Nexerus]

Dinh AaronMk said
They are open but they've had prior dealings with the Chinese state.

Which does not necessarily mean that they're both communist and a Chinese vassal-state.

[Dinh AaronMk]

The Nexerus said
Which does not necessarily mean that they're both communist and a Chinese vassal-state.

As I edited in.

[The Nexerus]

I think I'm going to go with Central Asia. Playing the Russians, Persians and Chinese off of each other sounds like fun.

One thing: do I have liberty with what the nation's called? I find it unlikely that the rebellion in the 50's led to the creation of a state called 'Kazakhstan', considering the demographics of the region.

[Dinh AaronMk]

The demographic changes you're probably looking at are a reflection of Stalinist policies to moving massive groups of people they don't like - either ethnically of politically - to somewhere out of the way.

[The Nexerus]

Dinh AaronMk said
The demographic changes you're probably looking at are a reflection of Stalinist policies to moving massive groups of people they don't like - either ethnically of politically - to somewhere out of the way.

It was the Russian Empire that first introduced European settlement to Central Asia, not the Soviets. I would understand that there'd be little Ukrainians or Germans, but Russians would still be a significant minority provided they weren't all run off to the last man during the revolution. What I meant by the demographics of the region is that the Uzbeks, not the Kazakhs, are the most populous of the Turkic peoples in the area. No group represents a majority, or even comes close. Turkestan would be the best name, but even that excludes the Iranian Tajiks and the dozens of tiny minorities like the Kurds that came through with the Persians, or the Tatars that were introduced alongside the Russians (as well as existing in the area before the Russian Empire existed).

Central Asia is far from being homogeneous in any which way.

[Dinh AaronMk]

From what I've been reading the Uzbek population never went above the single-digits.

[The Nexerus]

Dinh AaronMk said
From what I've been reading the Uzbek population never went above the single-digits.

Look at a map of Central Asia in the modern day, then look at the map of Central Asia in this RP.

Kazakhstan, as it's labelled in this RP, includes modern day Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan. The only Central Asian country that's excluded is Turkmenistan, which apparently managed to find itself part of the Persian state somehow.