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Dinh AaronMk said
dem oil shales.


There are no oil pipe-lines in Crimea. Russia is actually going to be losing money from annexing it, not only because of the damage its economy is facing due to the reaction over the annexation, but also the costs involved in realigning Crimea's energy and gas grids with Russia's. It's much cheaper to ship from Ukraine to Crimea over land than from Russia to Crimea over the Black Sea.



In other news: Turkestan application is in the works. I'm trying to be at least a little bit in depth with their history.
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I look forward to it, yo.
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(This is what I have so far, but I'm stuck. Can someone help me?)

Nation: Hungary (Magyarország).
Leader: President Adél Bak.
History: Hungary didn't want to be in the Great War, but since they were part of the Austrian - Hungarian Empire they didn't have a choice. They joined the Central Power when the war began, fighting off Serbia and Romania for gaining land within Hungary. Realizing that this war was getting too costly, they protested about the war at the Hofburg Palace with pitchforks, Charles I through that they were going to kill him. So, Charles told the guards to open fire on the protesters and they went outside and fired at the protesters. Twenty people died due to the Charles' choice and it is called, The Hofburg Massassce. After hearing the news, Hungarians rebelled against Austria and fought the military until 1922. Charles I officially surrendered to the Allies after protesters were at his gate and fired at the palace.

After the war, Hungary lost its only sea port at Fiume and the industrial base from its sources of raw materials in The Treaty of Versailles. It caused Hungary's economy to collapse, but some people have hope. A few months later, a revolt happened for which party would be the main one. Protesters choice sides and fought each other until one stool over anyone else. The remaining parties were The Hungarian Socialist Party and The Hungary Parliamentary, calmed the people and held a vote for which is the party that Hungary was going to be. And In 1929, The Parliamentary Party won by sixty-four percent, while Socialist Party lost by forty-six percent, the people were happy with the votes either know some say that the votes were rigged. The President and Prime Minister were voted a year later, Don Csonka and Alfréd Bakó won by sixty-two percent and entered office.

President Don Csonka's first task was to restore the economy, industrialized the nation once more, and help the people out. He is called 'The Greatest President in Hungarian History' for a reason: he pulled the country out of bankruptcy, he gave women rights in 1931, improved factories and farms, child labor was banned, and improvements in the army and air forces were made. During his second term: he increased the value of Hungary's imports, he formed all ten national parks, ten landscape protection areas, and fifty minor nature reserves within four years, he restored eight of the landmarks within Hungary, and improved relations with other countries (most countries on the Allies' side). The people were upset when his terms were up, but he later when to service as Prime Minister and was on the National Assembly until he retired in 1970 at the age of 75.

When Hungarian was planning to invade Ukraine in '76, they send fake files about Ukraine attacking Poland to trick them. It did work as their relation decreased and Hungary attacked the Ukraine in July. The Hungary army was divided into two main branches, a northern one heading for Lviv and later Kyiv and a southern one aiming for Odessa and Crimea. The southern forces did not get very far due to logistical problems, but the northern branch managed to advance very deep into the Ukrainian territory and captured Lviv, forcing the Polish to act quickly. In a series of aerial and artillery strikes the Hungarian forces near advancing to Lviv were decimated and forced to retreat. Then The Bloodly Nights happened and that ended the war on Poland and Ukraine, on April, 13, 1970.

After the war, Don Csonka was ashamed for the country's army and ability to fail at capture Ukraine (which they joined Poland). His dying words were that he was ashamed to be Hungarian and died due to natural causes. The President felt ashamed of Don's last words and dropped out of officer in April, 25 and the Prime Minster became President. Adél Bak was the granddaughter of Don Csonka and many believed that she could become like Don, but she has doubts. A few days later, Hungarians celebrate fifty years since Don Csonka entered officer and Adél plans to give a speech on that day.
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I think the collapse of the Austrian monarchy had something to do with the rise of liberalism, too. But so far I think it's fine. It makes sense that the people would be tired of the war.
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One question.

How did Persia end up with Turkmenistan?
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When it comes to expansion, make sure your reasons make sense. The Serbia to Yugoslav plan has potential - It fits with western Slavic nationalism and how it has played out in the past. Hungary could theoretically claim Transylvania due to the large Hungarian population there... but it would be difficult.

I would be fine with there being crazy wars all over the Balkans, but none of us want to see simple cut-and-dry expansion. No "Sir, we have invaded their borders and they have retreated and surrendered and we are awesome and perfect and winning." A Balkans war should be bloody - it should tear you up more than it helps you. Prolonged sieges, ethnic violence, terrorism - that is what we should be seeing. Make your wars stalemates without signs of ending. If you do that, it can work.
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The Nexerus said
One question.How did Persia end up with Turkmenistan?


Googer's first map was hella lazy.

Persia stronk.
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I was never planning to have it go "Serbians march into Bosnia, Serbians Win cause there Serbian" type deal. I do my best to avoid that. I actually prefer when wars get dragged out, more chance to write out violence and explosions.
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I'm done but to make such it's good, can someone have a look at it.
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Just post it and we'll rip it apart like vultures like we do with everyone. It's okay if you get some things wrong. We'll correct you, you'll fix it, and life will go on :P
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I was never planning to have it go "Serbians march into Bosnia, Serbians Win cause there Serbian" type deal. I do my best to avoid that. I actually prefer when wars get dragged out, more chance to write out violence and explosions.


You still have time to make sure the conquests drag-out and become bloody. But if I'm being honest, I'll say you could have done a better job dragging out the political stuff that leads to the take-over. You're two posts in and already mobilizing your forces, when you could have used rthe first few posts to explain how and why. And stretched-out your reasons beyond "We want to reunite Yugoslavia".
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Vilageidiotx said
Persia stronk.


It's kind of important. I'm fine with the Persians having Turkmenistan, but I need to explain in Turkestan's history whether it was lost during or after Russian control, and how. For now, I'm just ignoring Turkmenistan and the Turkmen altogether.
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Pepperm1nts said
Just post it and we'll rip it apart like vultures like we do with everyone. It's okay if you get some things wrong. We'll correct you, you'll fix it, and life will go on :P


I already did.
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Pepperm1nts said
You still have time to make sure the conquests drag-out and become bloody. But if I'm being honest, I'll say you could have done a better job dragging out the political stuff that leads to the take-over. You're two posts in and already mobilizing your forces, when you could have used rthe first few posts to explain how and why. And stretched-out your reasons beyond "We want to reunite Yugoslavia".

The want to reunite Yugoslavia has actually existed since Yugoslavia originally collapsed. Most of the political stuff was dragged out during the 70s.
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The want to reunite Yugoslavia has actually existed since Yugoslavia originally collapsed. Most of the political stuff was dragged out during the 70s.


But remember that we're telling a story here. You don't tell much of a story if you just rush into war. You have to lay things out for the reader, and make sense of things. You can't just say, "Well, it's common knowledge that they would want to rebuild Yugoslavia". You need to actually play us through it. And even with the desire to rebuild Yugoslavia, there'd be other reasons for wanting the territories, which you could have shown us. Easing into things is almost always better than just rushing through it and leaving everyone with a ton of questions as to why things were done.

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I already did.


Looks good to me, if a bit short. But good anyway. You'll have to wait for Aaron to review it though.
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Pepperm1nts said
But remember that we're telling a story here. You don't tell much of a story if you just rush into war. You have to lay things out for the reader, and make sense of things. You can't just say, "Well, it's common knowledge that they would want to rebuild Yugoslavia". You need to actually play us through it. And even with the desire to rebuild Yugoslavia, there'd be other reasons for wanting the territories, which you could have shown us. Easing into things is almost always better than just rushing through it and leaving everyone with a ton of questions as to why things were done.

I have a idea that I will pull of next time I post. Should clear up the other reasons Yugoslavia is wanted, and how the people feel about it.
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It's kind of important. I'm fine with the Persians having Turkmenistan, but I need to explain in Turkestan's history whether it was lost during or after Russian control, and how. For now, I'm just ignoring Turkmenistan and the Turkmen altogether.


Turkemenistan was an independent nation that Persia invaded. I forget the reason, but it was back in 70/71 I think.
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Dinh AaronMk said
Turkemenistan was an independent nation that Persia invaded. I forget the reason, but it was back in 70/71 I think.


Can I write in Turkestan's history how it was that they became independent, while all of the other Turkic countries joined Turkestan?
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Can I write in Turkestan's history how it was that they became independent, while all of the other Turkic countries joined Turkestan?


Yeah.
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Aaron, is my NS good?
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