[OOC] Precipice of War - We Write Under The Sign Of The Goat

[The Nexerus]

I've had way too many things to deal with to get into roleplaying again, and the number is only increasing. I might end up posting, but probably not. Consider Turkestan open, I suppose.

[Dinh AaronMk]

Well we're always here if you want to come back.

[Chapatrap]

Fisheye said
I think I'll be going with Denmark, as it seems to be an entirely clean slate and I think some interesting things can be achieved with it. Thanks for canon-checking my suggestions, guys.Anyway, I'll get to my sheet now. If I don't pop in for a while don't fret, I'm still interested. I just take a while to research and write my faction sheets.

A warning to ye - The Spanish and Germans don't take kindly to left-leaning governments, as it pops their European bubble of pseudo-fascism and cocaine addicted leaders.

[Fisheye]

Chapatrap said
A warning to ye - The Spanish and Germans don't take kindly to left-leaning governments, as it pops their European bubble of pseudo-fascism and cocaine addicted leaders.

That doesn't bother me too much, as I was planning on having a right-wing government in power anyway. I hope Right-wing Populism is acceptable to Spain and Prussia, as that'll be the dominant party in 'modern' Denmark. Speaking of fascism, how has it developed differently in the alternate universe without WWII and Nazi Germenay?

[TheEvanCat]

Fisheye said
That doesn't bother me too much, as I was planning on having a right-wing government in power anyway. I hope Right-wing Populism is acceptable to Spain and Prussia, as that'll be the dominant party in 'modern' Denmark. Speaking of fascism, how has it developed differently in the alternate universe without WWII and Nazi Germenay?

Sotelo, I guess.

And pretty much everyone else is a kind of fascism. I know I made Armenia into a kind of Peronist.

[Chapatrap]

Fisheye said
That doesn't bother me too much, as I was planning on having a right-wing government in power anyway. I hope Right-wing Populism is acceptable to Spain and Prussia, as that'll be the dominant party in 'modern' Denmark. Speaking of fascism, how has it developed differently in the alternate universe without WWII and Nazi Germenay?

There's a lot of monarchy (All major European powers have a monarch, apart from Spain and France), glorification of the head of state (The Kaiser/Emperor/HugshouldpostmoresoIwouldrememberhistitle/Sotelo), social policies glorifying their own race (Nordic for you), hatred and fear of socialism, armed to the teeth at all times.

Think fascism as we know it but add a powerful head of state on top.

[Vilageidiotx]

It's a little weird.

Most of us have generally shied away from a lot of democratic processes for what I would assume is simplicities sake. Because the RP didn't start out with the same complexity it ended up with, and because most of the participants are Americans (or at least Westerners) who mostly at home with Western pre-concepts of politics, Our political systems are sort of simplistic. We still have monarchies, with Ethiopia being an established unbroken monarchy and Germany being something of a revolutionary monarchy. Though Spain is often called the fascist equivalent, it's still a Republic with a more or less Laissez Faire economy. Spain seems more like a state where McCarthyism emanated from the Executive rather than a lower-level politician and has not been successfully rebuked.

But it's difficult to tell, really, because we all have pre-established viewing points that ignore most of our politics and favors a certain few designated leaders.

With Denmark, you have to look at what you have. Denmark isn't really going to be a good military state when their neighbor is Germany unless they decide to align with Germany, which would mean (I presume) a sort of old-school conservative European state would me more likely. The alternative would be aligning with the Baltic socialist states, which would be a gamble and probably not prudent since the Baltic states are weak (Finland rules over ice and the Western Communes are bad off enough that they field cavalry.) Their one major resource would be oil from the North Sea I suppose. I suspect Germany would be your best buyer, which would support your aligning with them...

[TheEvanCat]

I noticed that PoW is still very based around ethnicity and shit. So we're kind of stuck in the 19th century with nationalism and ethnocentrism and shit.

[Vilageidiotx]

It makes sense, really. I think most of what made us decide racism is bad in the real world is a mix between it not being economically practical in a post-globalization economy, and the fact that Hitler sort of soured the entire concept with his entire "Murdering most of a race because of racism" thing. Even then, Racism is still a big deal.

[Dinh AaronMk]

I think the only thing exempt from the rule could be China, who even pre-lore had it in mind there's no singular Chinese culture and there's multiple. Hence one of the old Beiyang flags that gave credit to the five most predominate cultures of China:



But even then, they still hate the piss out of Japan and the Japanese because of that Nanking an Unit 731.

[Vilageidiotx]

Meaning they are still racist.

[Chapatrap]

Come on, guys. Racism is bad and you feel bad.

Also, I'mma be gone for the rest of this week. So see y'all Saturday.

[Pepperm1nts]

I've been trying to post but my sleeping schedule is all over the damn place. It's something I still have to post about, but in Germany racism is a big thing, and the whole 'German superiority' stuff remains. it might not be right in your face like it was with RL Nazi Germany, but anyone traveling through Prussia would see it. Like, Jews are still targeted. And in the military, there's a bit of a perception that other nation's soldiers are inferior, not just in terms of training, but even just because they're not German. Prussia is also, in general, very old-school. But that's because I personally like old school stuff.

[TheEvanCat]

Armenia is definitely an "Armenian homeland" in the same sense that Israel is the "Jewish homeland." However, Armenia isn't as crazy about persecuting minorities because Assanian sees the strategic need for immigrants - as well as the fact that Russian/Greek/Syrian refugees are so entrenched into the country already and have a fair amount of influence on the culture (even before the divergence.) It's really just united against an (ethnic) enemy of Turkey.

[Fisheye]

Would a war between the Netherlands and Denmark in the 30's or 40's be canon-breaking in any way? It would have been over the Dutch territories in the Caribbean and would have ended in a Danish victory. If this were to be approved, Denmark might have also engaged in some USA-like meddling in Latin America, though to a lesser extent.

Also, after a ridiculous amount of largely arbitrary research, I've started progress on my FS/App in earnest. As a slight preview, Denmark should be a Right-wing Constitutional Monarchy (with a renewed constitution which grants a higher degree of power to the sovereign) which has experienced a large amount of reactionary and conservative movements in the last fifty years.

[Dinh AaronMk]

Why would the Danes be interesting the Dutch Pacific colonies?

[Fisheye]

The Dutch Carribean (Suriname and some relatively small islands in the Antilles), not the Dutch Pacific. As for the reasoning behind the conflict, Denmark still has it's territory in the Caribbean (now the US Virgin Islands IRL) as the divergence of PoW in history happened before the Danes sold the Danish West Indies to the United States, and I wasn't planning on having them sold in this alternate timeline. As a result, relatively soon after the end of the Great War, with many of Europe's powers focussed on recuperating and rebuilding rather than protecting smaller nations and their colonial empires, Denmark would have declared war on the Netherlands to 'protect Danish interests in the West Indies and bring stability to the region'. Basically, the government would have declared that Dutch ships had entered Danish waters (in the West Indies) multiple times (a claim which was mostly unfounded and overexaggerated by the government for political and casus belli means) and that Suriname was experiencing political turmoil as a result of the onset of the Great Depression and the world-wide separatist/independence movements of the era in regards to colonies. Truthfully, they just wanted the revenue from the rubber, bauxite, gold and tourism of the area.

It's not really a big deal, and I could certainly do without Suriname and a few islands if necessary, but I don't see this as too much of a canon or logic-breaking action.

[null123]

I'm going to try to jump back in from where I left off, see if I can't get things rolling again. Still have my Algrebra EOC to deal with but besides Social Studies my other classes are taking it pretty easy.

[TheEvanCat]

duck55223 said
I'm going to try to jump back in from where I left off, see if I can't get things rolling again. Still have my Algrebra EOC to deal with but besides Social Studies my other classes are taking it pretty easy.

SERBJIA STRONK. REMOVE KEBAB FROM CLAY.

[null123]

TheEvanCat said
SERBJIA STRONK. REMOVE KEBAB FROM CLAY.

WE HAVE NUKES AMD JETS, NOBODY CAN STAND AGAINST US.