Net Neutrality is Dead..

[Rare]

I saw this news article on the LA Times and I was like "OH HELL NO.". This is the end of of a free and open Internet. We have lost this war of keeping the cable and phone companies off of our free Internet.

[So Boerd]

All for it. I am all about letting two consenting adults do whatever they want.

[Captain Jordan]

Rare said
I saw this news article on the and I was like "OH HELL NO.". This is the end of of a free and open Internet. We have lost this war of keeping the cable and phone companies off of our free Internet.

Yep, I guess I'll be moving to somewhere that's less oppressive about their communications, like Antarctica. You only get 1 hour of contact time with the world, but nobody's going to shut up the guy living in Antarctica.

[Rare]

Captain Jordan said
Yep, I guess I'll be moving to somewhere that's less oppressive about their communications, like Antarctica. You only get 1 hour of contact time with the world, but nobody's going to shut up the guy living in Antarctica.

I think it will happen only in America and no where else (but it will give other countries inspire to make laws to kill off their own Net Neutural).

[Captain Jordan]

Rare said
I think it will happen only in America and no where else (but it will give other countries inspire to make laws to kill off their own Net Neutural).

HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA!

Sure, ISPs elsewhere may not restrict the speed, but they will restrict the content. Americans will pay through the nose for the freedom of saying, doing and surfing whatever, while the rest of the world gets cheap internet that's censored. Even developed countries aren't excused, the UK has already set up a morality censor that you must opt-out of if you want to see porn or anything "objectionable" (defined, of course, by the government).

[cpldingo]

The government threatens the 2nd, and 4th amendment rights.

The people who bitch get labelled right wing morons.

They start lettinf big business control the internet....now they've gone to far. Privacy and self defense can go as long as I have facebook and 4chan....

Figures.

"Take my gun, and my privacy....but you'll never take....my PORN! FREEEEDOM!!"

[Tick]

This is infuriating and disappointing all at once. I expected it, but it sucks just how bad it is, now. Shit for the Internet and basic human rights in the U.S. keeps getting taken down so that the companies get more convenience and/or cash.

There is no reason why this should be happening. It doesn't hurt the company in any way to have Net Neutrality (they get more without it, but by means neither competitive nor capitalist), and it harms everyone to lose it. Because the companies are guaranteed to abuse its absence, and there's little to no other options to avoid or discourage the abuse.

It's good some people notice what's going on, but this'll probably never get in the news the average person sees for any significant period of time.

Captain Jordan said
HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA! Sure, ISPs elsewhere may not restrict the speed, but they restrict the content. Americans will pay through the nose for the freedom of saying, doing and surfing whatever, while the rest of the world gets cheap internet that's censored. Even developed countries aren't excused, the UK has already set up a morality censor that you must opt-out of if you want to see porn or anything "objectionable" (defined, of course, by the government).

What happens if you opt out of the morality censor?

[Rare]

cpldingo said
The government threatens the 2nd, and 4th amendment rights.The people who bitch get labelled right wing morons.They start lettinf big business control the internet....now they've gone to far. Privacy and self defense can go as long as I have facebook and 4chan....Figures."Take my gun, and my privacy....but you'll never take....my PORN! FREEEEDOM!!"

There will be Facebook still (If Facebook gets block or slows down, people will be piss) but I think 4chan will be block or slows down the speed (after all the news makes 4chan look bad). If porn was taken, there'd be a second America Revolutionary War! XD

[Rare]

So Boerd said
All for it. I am all about letting two consenting adults do whatever they want.

So, you're fine if a greedy company comes and makes your Internet speed slower and you have to pay lots of money to make it go faster.

[Tick]

cpldingo said
The government threatens the 2nd, and 4th amendment rights.The people who bitch get labelled right wing morons.They start lettinf big business control the internet....now they've gone to far. Privacy and self defense can go as long as I have facebook and 4chan....Figures."Take my gun, and my privacy....but you'll never take....my PORN! FREEEEDOM!!"

That's missing the point of the issue. And to make a petty complaint about a topic only semi-related. No one even made a comment about any other rights issues.
The other rights issues are important, too, though you could argue a lifetime away about the difference between the liberty/rights of an individual versus its deserved regulation because of the resulting impact on another individual.

This is an issue of freedom of speech and the freedom to choose the content you use. That should matter to you. I would argue the first matters more. If there's a problem, and you don't have the freedom of speech, you can't argue that something is wrong. You can't have an unfavorable, minority opinion. And that leads to stagnation, oppression, and no question of the norm or standard.

Another thing: This won't get remotely the same kind of press those issues always do (except maybe aspects of privacy issues). Which hurts the chances that anything will be done about it or anyone will know or care. That automatically creates a bigger problem for the whole population. However much you value one right or another.

[cpldingo]

Tick said
That's missing the point of the issue. And to make a petty complaint about a topic only semi-related. No one even made a comment about any other rights issues. The other rights issues are important, too, though you could argue a lifetime away about the difference between the liberty/rights of an individual versus its deserved regulation because of the resulting impact on another individual.This is an issue of freedom of speech and the freedom to choose the content you use. That should matter to you. I would argue the first matters more. If there's a problem, and you don't have the freedom of speech, you can't argue that something is wrong. You can't have an unfavorable, minority opinion. And that leads to stagnation, oppression, and no question of the norm or standard.Another thing: This won't get remotely the same kind of press those issues do (except maybe aspects of privacy issues). Which hurts the chances that anything will be done about it or anyone will know or care. That automatically creates a bigger problem for the whole population. However much you value one right or another.

How about instead of three paragraphs of bullshit, just tell me the point of your post.

[So Boerd]

Consenting adults. Obviously I would rather not pay more but I am not going to use the force of government to get my way. Nowhere in the constitution is the federal goverment given this authority.

[Brovo]

Well. Shit. Considering how much stuff is run on American Internet... Shit. Shit. God dammit.

[ActRaiserTheReturned]

Brovo said
Well. Shit. Considering how much stuff is run on American Internet... Shit. . God dammit.

Well I guess that we oughta not mention politics on Role Player Boards anymore then.

Yikes.

[Brovo]

ActRaiserTheReturned said
Well I guess that we oughta not mention politics on Role Player Boards anymore then. Yikes.

Well... At the very least discretion will be the better part of valour. Perhaps mention to Mahz a few server hosts in Switzerland...

[Kaga]

Wait... This article is dated January 14th.

When were/are the effects of this ruling supposed to come into play? It's possible that all this won't affect the average internet-user as much as we thought.

[Rare]

Kaga said
Wait... This article is dated January 14th. When were/are the effects of this ruling supposed to come into play? It's possible that all this won't affect the average internet-user as much as we thought.

>_> I just realized that. Here the net neutrality news, that I was talking about: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/04/net-neutrality-dead-for-good-fcc-may-endorse-pay-for-play-deals/.

[Foster]

Well crap... and I just upgraded from dial-up to cable...

Well... time to get back to shopping for a triple-DSL package...

(Comcast is required to uphold the status quo until 2018, so probably better to spend my money counter-lobbying.)

[So Boerd]

On second thought, many cable companies are granted monopolies. So yeah, this is bad news.

[The Nexerus]

Rare said
So, you're fine if a greedy company comes and makes your Internet speed slower and you have to pay lots of money to make it go faster.

Ask yourself this question.

Why doesn't McDonalds charge $20 for a cheeseburger?

Answer it, and you'll have my response to that post.