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Since this hasn't resolved itself yet Imma throw my two cents in.

Before we take the discussion any further (and yes, a discussion, not a fight please.) I'd like to point out that you, thewizardguy clearly are more knowledgeable on physics than we are. Te be honest I too thought that pyrotechnics and combustion were doable. Looking at Iron man 3.
I figured vampires could use their psionic abilities to control their body manually and push it beyond reasonable limits. So I thought he upped his body heat. Though the flames would be minimal at most he would still turn the room into an oven. I thought the wings to be fluff mostly, I thought he wasn't as much flying, more falling dramatically.

I don't know if that is correct, I know the pillar of fire that blasts a hole in the hull is not realistic. I wasn't sure on the rest so I decided to wait your and shikaru's responses before continuing. Result: you exploded as well, while Shikaru seems to operate mostly on the rule of cool.

The way I see it there's 2 ways of fixing this: either we retcon or we adjust. If we retcon wraithblade has to think of something else, with our shared assistance. If we adjust, we make the post work in realistic physics.

But either way remember that:
- we aren't all as knowledgeable on thermodynamics.
- It's hard to see where psionics end and magic begins
- Jack was powerful, I'm not saying he wasn't fair. It's been clear to me from the start that everyone was going all out so this escalation was expected.
But don't say he didn't have superpowers. Smartest human alive with an immense budget > super strength and psionics.
There's a reason Jack was winning. Narratively it was inevitable that someone took him down a peg, otherwise it wouldn't be an exiting story. But you wrote him rather airtight, so when someone does it, some rules break.
- this really shouldn't be the end. Let Martin 'save' Jack and bring him back later for revenge, meanwhile you play the ninja, the beast and the alpha.

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akje said
Since this hasn't resolved itself yet Imma throw my two cents in.Before we take the discussion any further (and yes, a discussion, not a fight please.) I'd like to point out that you, thewizardguy clearly are more knowledgeable on physics than we are. Te be honest I too thought that pyrotechnics and combustion were doable. Looking at Iron man 3.I figured vampires could use their psionic abilities to control their body manually and push it beyond reasonable limits. So I thought he upped his body heat. Though the flames would be minimal at most he would still turn the room into an oven. I thought the wings to be fluff mostly, I thought he wasn't as much flying, more falling dramatically.I don't know if that is correct, I know the pillar of fire that blasts a hole in the hull is not realistic. I wasn't sure on the rest so I decided to wait your and shikaru's responses before continuing. Result: you exploded as well, while Shikaru seems to operate mostly on the rule of cool.The way I see it there's 2 ways of fixing this: either we retcon or we adjust. If we retcon wraithblade has to think of something else, with our shared assistance. If we adjust, we make the post work in realistic physics.But either way remember that:- we aren't all as knowledgeable on thermodynamics.- It's hard to see where psionics end and magic begins- Jack was powerful, I'm not saying he wasn't fair. It's been clear to me from the start that everyone was going all out so this escalation was expected.But don't say he didn't have superpowers. Smartest human alive with an immense budget > super strength and psionics.There's a reason Jack was winning. Narratively it was inevitable that someone took him down a peg, otherwise it wouldn't be an exiting story. But you wrote him rather airtight, so when someone does it, some rules break.- this really shouldn't be the end. Let Martin 'save' Jack and bring him back later for revenge, meanwhile you play the ninja, the beast and the alpha.


I'm 15 years old. Seriously. I don't get how I'm supposedly the knowledgeable one when I know for a fact that Wraith is quite a lot older than me. And if you're going to base your knowledge of physics on superhero movies...... well, that's a bad idea. Superhero movies are notorious for ignoring physics when it doesn't suit them.

Upping your body heat to such an extent would have the same extent on him as it did on everything around him. He managed to vaporize a human from a distance of a quarter mile. Do you have any idea how hot he'd have to be in order to have that kind of effect? That's hotter than the surface of the sun. He would be reduced to a small pile of ash in an instant, there'd be nothing left of him.
And then, that's ignoring the fact that the heat is moving through super isolating materials used to prevent the liquid nitrogen in the supercomputers from evaporating, which evades all logic and physics. If he were generating heat, then the isolation material would have prevented it, as would the metal walls and armored hulls of the storages for any volatile material.

Based on my conversation with Wraith, neither retconning nor adjusting is required. Telepathy and other subtle powers are allowed, so why not have fireballs, angelic wings made of flame, and basically all kinds of magic? As he sees nothing wrong with his actions, and instead is berating me on getting annoyed about it, I don't think there's much more to discuss.

And don't think you had nothing to do with this mr Earthquake-of-doom power-booster.
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That is not what I think, nor what I said.
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You have not apologized for your actions nor admitted to any fault besides 'being a little too aggressive in my description.' You have told me that all psionics are magic and thus accused me of breaking the no-magic rule, you've berated me on jack's power, you've berated me on the nuclear apocalypse, and basically with every action seem to act as if you're in the right in this conflict. Your explosion of doom there is a regular middle finger to me and my characters, and it seriously pisses me off that you'll defend the position that you were completely justified. Furthermore, when you're losing an argument, you simply stop replying, which is why our Steam conversation stopped.
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I feel like such a jerk.
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(I had to leave for work. I'll be home soon.)
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I didn't know how old you were dude. I don't care. All I see is that you have done significantly more research on the topic than me, and while it may frustrate me to say it that does mean you are more knowledgeable on the subject than me. Anyone who ever tells you age equals knowledge is a naive fool.

But to my point, ranting aside. I agree on the 'the fire shouldn't pass trough the walls' thing sure. I also agree that this was the wrong way of handling things.
I personally wasn't bothered by Jack's or anyone's power. Almost all the players in the game are lethal as hell, which is fun.

As for the earthquake.. yeah forgot about that. I was just writing dramatically I guess. I could probably explain it as some pressure wave or chalk it of as an illusion. But in all honesty that was just there because it fit dramatically.

As for the boost itself. I had no way of knowing what Mithias was going to do with it, I didn't want too. You see, Martin had other plans but then Mithias asked for power and I thought. "Why the hell not? Let's see where he takes this. Should be interesting."
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I was kinda right...

So, if it's anything to you. I apologize for the way this went down. I like this game and I think we can continue and have fun with it.
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I was trying to avoid seriously nerdy conversations about how surreality works, because when it comes down to it, NONE of this is real or could even be remotely possible. There is no point in arguing. All that we need is for our abilities to be "real enough" or just generally plausible by whatever fudged means we can generally agree on. We don't need every single individual in this rp to fully understand how sensical any one event is. There's so much bullshit any one of us could be called on, and I would point fingers to Wiz just as much as anyone else. Your arguments are very fallible as well, Wiz, but I do not want to insult you or hurt your feelings by calling you on this or that. All that matters is good story. It doesn't matter that you invented the perfect poison that Mithias wouldn't have even smelled... you know if he had eaten the food, you would have said it was the food that was poisoned. It didn't matter. I didn't argue. And there's tons of other examples we are not going to go over. And by the way, do you have any idea how upset I am for having to take some memory loss over this? That blows man, but hey, I can't always fully determine what is going to happen in the rp, and neither should you. Shikaru has the final word on what can or can't go. You have to deal with what he chooses, and if you had a problem with Mithias' heat manipulation ability, you should have inquired much sooner. Shikaru has cleared what has happened. You sir, have to deal with it, however you can certainly ask for a change if you feel you are being treated unfairly or you really don't want your characters to die, etc. I'm willing to listen. I care how you feel. but do you care how I feel? How about how everyone else feels about your completely unavoidable nuclear catastrophy? No. That's the kind of plan you need clearance for, and you do not have it. You can play that such an event is threatened, but then you can't utterly force it to conclusion. I like your ideas, but you are too gun-ho on them. I am very disappointed in how you have been behaving over this, granted, I give you some leeway due to your age. I am giving my personal time to talk with you because of how much I respect you and care about you as a friend, so do not take this as flippant or insulting. I'm putting forth effort, because I see you want me to.

None of us have anywhere near a complete understanding of reality, physics, energy, etc. Do you know about electron orbitals? They would be very pertinent here. I don't want to insult you if you haven't covered that in school yet, but it's just an example. I understand you want to get a hard grasp of what Mithias' power are like, how they work, and what they can do and by what mechanism. You are very much like Jack. But even Jack never fully understood everything before he died. Mithias' power is supposed to be not understood. Maybe it's radiation, like gamma that can go through metal. Maybe it's conduction, convection, or some kind of ability to heat a specific location in space. Maybe he speeds up the motion of molecules on the molecular level. Maybe it's infrared, or perhaps a multitude of pure energy at different wavelengths on the EM spectrum. Maybe his supernatural influence can be anywhere he wills it: in the air, underground, a mile away... but of course i want to keep it within reason for this rp. The point is, it doesn't bleeding matter. Now, if you want to do something the future that needs knowledge for what in hell Mithias can do, ask me privately. I promise to be consistent and stick to whatever "rules" me and you and Shikaru agree on, whenever I come up with them.

No you need to stop being insulted and identify what you need to go on.

I also wanted to say, that your plan to have Mithias chase after magnus was never going to happen. as soon as Mith got the antidote, he would have left the ship, but he would have told Magnus everything. The bombs would have been found and removed from the nuclear power plants, etc. immediately. It was a dumb plan. Jack would have ended up defecting to another country, and they might decide to execute him for all I know... and even if you had Jack still trying to fight against magnus, he's completely ovrpowered in terebithia. That was the porblem with our last rp. Jack... must... go....

The other reason I didn't change my post was that Akje had alrady joined in, and I thought it was WAY cooler to let him play a role rather than waste the awesome power he would have given Mithias. ...plus he killed a girl over it.

So what do you want? Do you want Terebithia alive? Do you want me to edit so there isn't so much damage?
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I'm about to kill a lot more innocent NPC's if it'll get this story rolling again.
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Ok holdup. Wiz and I have worked this out. I'm editing. Martin, you are not as powerful as I last described. lol Sorry.
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Glad you guys worked this out..I'll edit my half way completed post in accordance with yours.
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I also need to get my wolf character sheet set up... hmmm. Any suggestions for his name? I unno why but I have a aversion to playing female characters on...anything ._.
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Ok. I lied. I edited my post. Have fun.
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Shikaru said
I also need to get my wolf character sheet set up... hmmm. Any suggestions for his name? I unno why but I have a aversion to playing female characters on...anything ._.


I don't like girls either. I just think they're.... not as cool.
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Ok ok, time to introduce my werewelf(lol).

Name: Alaric Bastion
Age: 25
Gender: Male
Clothes: He usually wears a black T-shirt, jeans, and sneakers in human form. In wolf form he has thick black fur with patches of silver in it.
Weapons: In human form he uses a Magnum for emergencies, otherwise in or out of human for he just rips stuff to shreds.
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*pulls out the Feminism Hammer*
Chauvinist Pigs!
*Starts laughing manically and hitting everyone*
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Soo... permission to keep Jack in the campain?
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Already answered through PMs. Jack's dead.
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Ok, gotta think of a new long term plan for Martin.
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Have fun with that. I've decided I'm still revealing Heaven's Greatest Weapon.
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