[OOC] Blood Compact: Magnus's Reign

[Wraithblade6]

I have a feeling Matt will have something to say about whether or not this happens Akje. ... maybe.

[akje]

Stein being out of play isn't really so bad since Matt is offline for a week or two.
Besides, Martin's been holding back for mostly OOC reasons. The only thing keeping him bfrom going on a rampage IC is his respect for his family and his reluctance to murder Stein and BIOPilot.
He could have erased all of Terebithia a long long time ago.
Plus I gave plenty of warnings, this was easily in the scope of what Martin could do, and it was either kill Stein or watch Mithias die.
Instead he finds a 3rd option and gives Stein a new fresh youthful body. Pretty sweet deal if you ask me.

[Wraithblade6]

Well, personally, I think that might just be a little overpowered, as a character. But. I was gonna say that there is a bit of an issue with going around Mithias mental walls. For example, terebithia shouldn't have been able to know what Stein was saying to Mithias at any point. Nobdy technically could see in his mind. Aalso, I'm not sure exactly how she is knocking Mithias out, but I assume there a device or something mechanical in Mithias head. I also noticed the drones electrocuted Mithias to knock him out. That was different. Lastly, miths walls are down. When he's not conscious.

[akje]

That's why Martin stayed out of the conversation all that time, why Martin didn't act until I got a response and kept asking.
He didn't intervene until Mithias dropped unconscious.

And what he did was just a simple transfer of data. At least I explain how it works, instead of mysteriously going "And suddenly my character could do X and no one could explain how.". That's actually quite limiting, because now I don't know the awnser OOC, but Martin would IC. And I have to go and think up reasons why Martin doesn't take a look under the hood.

So yes, he is more powerful than the flying warship, but mostly because he took precautions against the thing a long damn time ago.
It's been established a long time ago Martin could read and write in someone's head, and we've always treated AI to work similar enough for it to practically the same.
This was the end of the previous chapter remember?

But I'm keeping Martin in check. And he never threatened anyone's life. As opposed to almost every other character in the story.
And Stein kept talking about how he had a plan to kill him and his brothers. How was Martin supposed to act?
The constant insults and underestimating Martin can handle, and the threats at his life Martin can scoff at. But how was he supposed to act when his brother is being tortured and sends a dying farewell to him?

[Wraithblade6]

I'd let you intervene as soon as Mithias blacked out, but there's still the question of who else might jump on Martin inside Mith's head, or if Stein got withdrawn from that mind before Martin could erase him, or if whatever else might have been going on at the time would have stopped you... I'm curious what Matt might add, is all. He's always got some background craziness going on that he doesn't talk about. Maybe there's a trap for Martin. lol I put 5 bucks on trap.

But also, having complete control to change a mind, a person, a memory, of anyone, anywhere, infinitely, is probably too powerful for an RP. I mean, not even a character like Mithias, with his unique defenses, is able to resist that, not under all circumstances or forever. It's like Martin pretty much has the ability to just "save the world" by changing or erasing the minds of anyone that poses a threat. Could he just unravel Onikage? Gabriel? A computer like BioPilot? I'll give you that I *do* remember you making a post where Martin did put some kind of code into Terebithia where he could always control her. What page was that? How should we have that work for the rp? Can he switch people's minds into different bodies? That's insane.

I might let Mithias die, preserving the right to miraculously bring him back in another rp someday. I don't think wiz wants to do that though, but he better have a good explanation as to why the hell Stein and the Terebithia would let Mithias live at this point. ... assuming Martin didn't suddenly flip Terebithia "off," kill Stein, prevent the creation of HGW, and save the world in one intricate motion.

[akje]

Stein is a human who used some obscure technology to embed himself into Mithias's mind.
Now every other thing Matt's done has been accompanied with a scientific explanation. But this one is kept vague.
That's obviously because this is a new experimental technology and Stein has no real idea what he's doing.
Martin however has been doing this for 20 years, naturally by grace of his psychic abilities. He also has been spending a lot of the RP increasing the span of his abilities.
Plus he is an actual being made of thought at this point.

Narratively? Stein steps into Martin's domain and starts waving around threats.
This is the human who discovered fire vs a fire elemental.

As for traps, even if he had some kind of clue as to how. That's not how it works. You have to set a trap first.
Checkov's gun remember? You can't retroactively put a trap somewhere, even if you thought it up before, if it's not already in the game it doesn't exist.

Besides, this wasn't complete control. He isolated an alien (as in, not originally from Mithias's brain) entity and moved it to a free space.
His target was artificially placed, he can remove it with ease.
It's not like I'm taking full control of a character or taking someone's brain apart.

I won't prevent Mithias's deathwish any longer if that's what you're asking, and I won't kill anyone, never planned to.
I wrote that in the post, he was going to wait and see what the HGW was going to be.

So can we please get on with the story?

[Wraithblade6]

Biopilot saved Stein to Mithias.
Nobody is going to tell you ahead of time about a trap. traps are a surprise. you find out about them when someone posts that you walked into one.
I'm waiting 3 weeks to see if what you posted would work or not. maybe it would. It's not my say.
HGW is something that is going to kill everyone you know and love. Don't know if Martin knows that or not. I would think he wouldn't hesitate to stop it from being created if he had that power. Maybe he doesn't anymore, or never really did for some reason. These are the kinds of things you need to discuss one on one to be sure you each understand it all beforehand. Based on what I know, I have a big feeling Martin would meet adversity in his attempts, but I do expect him to try to save his brother.

And another thing, I think Stein is actually there to stop Terebithia from making HGW.... or blowing up the world or something... He said he could calm her down, so that's more why Mithias brought him there. Of course, Mithias got the short end of the stick on that deal.

Plus also, if our characters are in trouble, then other players get the chance to step in and help do stuff.

[akje]

On traps: no no no not at all!
You need to prepare a trap, and make sure it's knowledge OOC. You don't have to mention what the trap itself is per sé, but the reader must know that your character prepared one. Otherwise you'd get really crappy story writing full of deus ex machina's.
To our knowledge Stein never took any precautions towards defending himself from a psychic attack, so he didn't.

As for Martin's views on HGW? He has no idea that Stein may or may not try to prevent it. He didn't hear your conversation remember?
All he got was a small glimpse at the plans when he was in your collective minds.
If it really is a massive army of super powered flying monsters that Stein calls angels. Then Martin doesn't give a flying fuck.
He's going to let it all happen unless something directly interferes with his own objectives.
Keeping Mithias alive is one of those objectives, Gabriel isn't because Martin doesn't believe he'd be threatened.

Stein got moved because he was in an extremely weak tactical position compared to Martin and got cocky. This or something similar was inevitable.
Every character has plenty of strengths and weaknesses. And Stein stepped into a new domain and challenged Martin on Martins strongest points. That's just asking to get wrecked.

Now, the point off all this was so the rest could keep playing while Matt was gone on vacation. So please just continue, if you decide to wait 3 weeks this threat will probably die.

[Wraithblade6]

I'm pretty sure there's a trap.

[akje]

I think Matt knows that you have to foreshadow your traps. Because he does talk about having plans.
Narrative wise it doesn't make sense for there to be a trap because the character Stein never mentioned expecting an action like this.
So just post damnit.

[thewizardguy]

akje said
That's why Martin stayed out of the conversation all that time, why Martin didn't act until I got a response and kept asking.He didn't intervene until Mithias dropped unconscious.And what he did was just a simple transfer of data. At least I explain how it works, instead of mysteriously going "And suddenly my character could do X and no one could explain how.". That's actually quite limiting, because now I don't know the awnser OOC, but Martin would IC. And I have to go and think up reasons why Martin doesn't take a look under the hood.So yes, he is more powerful than the flying warship, but mostly because he took precautions against the thing a long damn time ago.It's been established a long time ago Martin could read and write in someone's head, and we've always treated AI to work similar enough for it to practically the same.This was the end of the previous chapter remember?But I'm keeping Martin in check. And he never threatened anyone's life. As opposed to almost every other character in the story.And Stein kept talking about how he had a plan to kill him and his brothers. How was Martin supposed to act?The constant insults and underestimating Martin can handle, and the threats at his life Martin can scoff at. But how was he supposed to act when his brother is being tortured and sends a dying farewell to him?

I love my ability to scavenge wifi. I had to break into a McDonalds and steal their router, but I finally got a connection to the interwebs, and I can actually check to what degree everything is going to Hell without me.

I won't be able to be on often, if at all. However, I do want to explain my position on this at the moment. I have not yet read the IC, mainly because this internet is crap, but I will, and I might amend this when I do.

Martin is horribly, horrifyingly overpowered. One of the reasons I removed Gabriel from the story was because I thought he was too powerful psychically, and yet Martin appears to have surpassed him in every way. Not only has he made himself completely immune to any physical threat, but he apparently has the capability to wipe out any vampire without special capabilities instantly across the world. You could murder any character besides Mithias and Onikage, both of whom have powerful psychic resistances, although Mithias does it through immunity and Onikage does it through inhuman willpower. He is ridiculous, and to deny it is just silly.

Now, I stated that Stein has a plan to deal with Martin, because I had already planned a weapon against a powerful psychic foe for dealing with Gabriel. My idea of turning Gabriel almost into a damsel in distress when a foe built to take down psychic foes rips through all his defenses. Now, seeing as how Martin, devoid of a body, is completely and utterly dependant on his psychic powers, this plan which I had planned to implement against Gabriel will thus, eventually, be used against Martin, and it will certainly be interesting to see the arrogant bastard facing his own mortality. Of course, I'm not spoiling exactly how this plan will unfold, but it shall happen.

Now, the Stein image that I planted in Mithias' head does not exist in his head any more. I realize now I forgot to mention that, but I had told Wraith through Steam chat. She must have forgotten however, and as such, I have posted itonce more here. Martin will find a confusing emptinesss, as if Stein had never appeared, and no mark that he had ever been there. Just another part of the mystery.

The Terebithia, Onikage, and all my characters have mysteriously disappeared without a trace. I will explain why later. There is also no psychic trace of them, as if they were either shielded, or had shut their brains down.

[thewizardguy]

Wraithblade6 said
I'd let you intervene as soon as Mithias blacked out, but there's still the question of who else might jump on Martin inside Mith's head, or if Stein got withdrawn from that mind before Martin could erase him, or if whatever else might have been going on at the time would have stopped you... I'm curious what Matt might add, is all. He's always got some background craziness going on that he doesn't talk about. Maybe there's a trap for Martin. lol I put 5 bucks on trap.But also, having complete control to change a mind, a person, a memory, of anyone, anywhere, infinitely, is probably too powerful for an RP. I mean, not even a character like Mithias, with his unique defenses, is able to resist that, not under all circumstances or forever. It's like Martin pretty much has the ability to just "save the world" by changing or erasing the minds of anyone that poses a threat. Could he just unravel Onikage? Gabriel? A computer like BioPilot? I'll give you that I *do* remember you making a post where Martin did put some kind of code into Terebithia where he could always control her. What page was that? How should we have that work for the rp? Can he switch people's minds into different bodies? That's insane. I might let Mithias die, preserving the right to miraculously bring him back in another rp someday. I don't think wiz wants to do that though, but he better have a good explanation as to why the hell Stein and the Terebithia would let Mithias live at this point. ... assuming Martin didn't suddenly flip Terebithia "off," kill Stein, prevent the creation of HGW, and save the world in one intricate motion.

I have a very good reason why Mithias is alive. He's a son of Gabriel. Do you have any idea how rare and useful those are? There are a variety of uses. Don't worry, I have big plans for Mithias, and many of them shall be awesome.

And, as stated above, I will screw Martin over later, and make sure he doesn't become all too godlike.

I also like how you automatically expect a trap. However, in this case, the trap is a little more subtle. And also, I won't have much time to foreshadow it, so you'll have to just be paranoid as crazy. However, you will have a chance to avoid the trap before I'm back, so be paranoid!

[thewizardguy]

akje said
Stein is a human who used some obscure technology to embed himself into Mithias's mind.Now every other thing Matt's done has been accompanied with a scientific explanation. But this one is kept vague.That's obviously because this is a new experimental technology and Stein has no real idea what he's doing.Martin however has been doing this for 20 years, naturally by grace of his psychic abilities. He also has been spending a lot of the RP increasing the span of his abilities.Plus he is an actual being made of thought at this point.Narratively? Stein steps into Martin's domain and starts waving around threats.This is the human who discovered fire vs a fire elemental.As for traps, even if he had some kind of clue as to how. That's not how it works. You have to set a trap first.Checkov's gun remember? You can't retroactively put a trap somewhere, even if you thought it up before, if it's not already in the game it doesn't exist.Besides, this wasn't complete control. He isolated an alien (as in, not originally from Mithias's brain) entity and moved it to a free space.His target was artificially placed, he can remove it with ease.It's not like I'm taking full control of a character or taking someone's brain apart.I won't prevent Mithias's deathwish any longer if that's what you're asking, and I won't kill anyone, never planned to.I wrote that in the post, he was going to wait and see what the HGW was going to be.So can we please get on with the story?

Interesting concept. Actually, if you want an eplanation, have one.

All thought is recorded in electric and chemical reactions between your neurons. This forms a distinct and complex pattern which even modern science can not accurately read. However we have already built devices capable of reading certain patterns in your brain, allowing people to, in fact, control certain machines just by thinking.This is experimental sceince, however, twenty years later, Stein has perfected it.

By altering the physical pattern of Mithias's neurons, he performed a complex procedure which allowed him to graft his own patterns onto Mithias's brain. A large portion of the brain is unused, and by making use of a vampire's incredible regenerative capabilities, BioPILOT could make alterations that would be impossible on a human.

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[Wraithblade6]

You dumping me in a field as planned?

[thewizardguy]

Of course. Fields all the way, forever.

All I really needed to intervene with was Martin's plan of transferring Stein, as well as his idea of hiding 'in' BioPILOT.

[thewizardguy]

If you guys are having trouble thinking of something to do, I encourage anyone to take control of Ural and become the new 'Big Bad'.

[Wraithblade6]

Oh I have ideas. I've just been busy with work. Will post later today.

[thewizardguy]

I look forward to reading them.

[Wraithblade6]

posting something for akje.