[OOC] The New Order(Post WW3 RP)

[Vilageidiotx]

The US budget isn't cut and dry either. They release some figures, but it's not like the Iran-Contra schemes are right there in simple black and white writing until they are caught. And you have to assume there are some similar things that don't get caught. We like to fund a good old fashion illegal operation if we think it could be in our favor somehow.

As for private investment, we have to look at this particular world. We are dealing with a total war that was much more global that the previous World Wars. As the major nations weaken each other, it wouldn't be too surprising for some private entities to be able to make a profit by selling either weapons or security. If there is a profit, there will be investors.

[Dinh AaronMk]

Up until the war though - of even through it - things would presumably be more interested in the software side of development. After all, no physical assets are put in danger in your attack on someone's server. Get one guy with illegal access to a bunch of computer, DDOS someone's server, and make off with trade secrets before they can respond or shut down the servers and cut you off.

The war could feasibly open up hack opportunities in the sort of cyber warfare pundits like to scream about. Move in like the US-Isreali attacks on Iranian nuclear power plants and over load the centrifuges and surgically destroy shutdown a nuclear power plant. No physical assets or lives are put at risk, and for a government they can use the black-out you created to make a move. Physical attacks may make a comeback in the later part of the war if you want to smash international communication by punching them right in the balls in a sort of Deus Ex scenario, but hacking'll be a powerful front still and a tech company like them could make enough to be stable on pure IT management and security.

How they make the jump from software to hardware is another thing.

[WilsonTurner]

Exactly. Can't always believe what the US says, especially with money.

I did also say that the US were funding it. Not just the UN. Don't just take the weakest part of what I say, and use that to disprove or discredit all of it.

Now, private entities could see that, hey, this newly-publisized APIRCA is moving, hard to hit, and therefore a safe investment, plus one could probably connect some of the UN's recent technologies in weapons and vehicles to the APIRCA, and figure, hey, this is safe and it could benefit us in protecting ourselves in this war.

So they'd invest, they'd get products, and both sides win. And that'd continue with private entities, and nations that wish to defend themselves as best as they can, or wish to join with one of their allies and beat back enemies. And because APIRCA isn't much of a side-taker, then they'd sell to both sides, earn money from both sides, and succeed in eliminating competition. The less nations and private entities, the better, because there is less competition and chance of being targeted themselves. If the world keeps going downhill, then they can simply wait, and then start seizing lands for themselves when their numbers are big enough, and everyone elses' are low enough. If it starts going uphill, and the world begins restabilizing, then a Cold War might happen again, and the APIRCA would make money by selling weapons that would never be used. After that, then they can begin focusing on tools and utilities, construct geothermal plants and offshore solar arrays and the like, and make money from that.

They're prepared to sell what they can market, which can go both ways. Unless, of course, they're targeted and shunned, but that's unlikely, since there is always a buyer. Always.

EDIT: And in terms of software, I suppose they could also have a good deal of tech there, too. You just kinda added that bit.
Although I don't think software or hardware will be that high in demand at this point. The internet would probably have fractured in many places, leaving just parts here and there, and power grids in larger nations more than likely would have fallen, and needed repairs, so there would probably be much more manual-control systems instead of wireless or something.

[Dinh AaronMk]

UN doesn't do RnD investment. They'd have no weapons or tech specs worth saving. They don't even log science. The UN's primary interest in information would be in international law and politics. There's no developmental merit to possessing the outdated files on how many second-hand US Armored Cars they had in the Congo.

So why do you keep shoehorning them in?

EDIT - The internet isn't UN property either and it would exist however it exists now with the only issue being state censors blocking people from certain sites. The internet would still be there.

[TheEvanCat]

UN is not stronk. UN will never be stronk. Plus, they're forbidden to have any sort of military whatsoever - peacekeeping is technically different because it doesn't do any sort of aggressiveness. They wouldn't fund any sort of war products anyways since their mission is peace. Case closed. UN wouldn't even fund anything if it wanted to.

And about the US: they wouldn't fund something that game changing unless it was locked to the DoD. We have export bans on advanced stuff, which is why you don't see Canada flying around F-22s or anything like that. So for the government to fund a company that doesn't seem to have any loyalty to the US government (hell, isn't it not even based there?) and using its products not for the US government but for itself? That's impossible, simply because the protocols that the DoD has in place will guarantee that the most advanced technology is used by the US Military proper, and not some random corporation. Again, Lockheed Martin doesn't have any private F-22s that it can use or sell to anyone else. That stuff was funded by the government and in exchange all of it went to the Air Force exclusively. So even if the US can fund it, it won't.

[null123]

Yeah. There is still a lot of viable options for funding though.

[Dinh AaronMk]

TheEvanCat is the closest you can get to a Hideo-Kojima tier source of military information.

Hideo Kojima: the one - or one of a few, I dunno - developers to actually piss off the Japanese because he does research to find a basis to work off of for his games, or later games. And not just masturbating Japan onto every subject.

[Dinh AaronMk]

duck55223 said
Yeah. There is still a lot of viable options for funding though.

It's safe to assume anything he develops for anyone would probably be exclusive to that nation, even if they could be assured to their loyalties despite working for everyone.

[TheEvanCat]

duck55223 said
Yeah. There is still a lot of viable options for funding though.

I think there are laws in place to prevent someone like Bill Gates from going rogue and building his own giant robots for personal gain after flagging a company in like, Nigeria or somewhere with lax laws.

At the most extreme they'd be branded a terrorist organization for trying to disrupt the peace with its private armies trying to one-up the US and be dismantled. Or they'd get called out under international law and INTERPOL would just arrest them for arms trafficking. There are ways.

[WilsonTurner]

ach, not the UN, NATO, was it? One of those big first-world alliances with lots of power, not just political.

and I don't think that INTERPOL would be able to focus on a global corporation that has no real consistent location after a world war.

And I would have it so that the designs and the like are exclusive, but the technology itself isn't. If an entity funds the research of, say, a special railgun tank, with some kind of fancy laser cannon on top for use against, say, drones or mines, then the tank itself would be exclusive to that investor, but the stuff and know-how would just be re-designed into something else to sell to the highest bidder. The quality and quantity of that item, however, would be decided by the amount invested. If someone invested a great deal for something, then the publicly-sold resdesign of it wouldn't be as good, to make the exclusive models better and more valuable.

And if the APIRCA were to be branded a terrorist organization, then so what? How would they all be caught, with the world divided and in ruins? There are still naval fleets, sure, and satellites, but that doesn't necessarily mean that you'll be able to find them before they disappear again. They aren't exactly defenseless. The higher the priority, the more likely you won't be getting close. There will be, no doubt, better submarines, torpedoes, depth charges, anti-air laser turrets, railgun ship turrets, and missile defenses, as well as maybe one or two VTOL types that could be used.

[Vilageidiotx]

I think our World War scenario would effectively erase the relevance of INTERPOL.

[Pepperm1nts]

You're all wrong to some degree and you should feel bad.

[Vilageidiotx]

Pepperm1nts said
You're all wrong to some degree and you should feel bad.

WHO DIED AND MADE YOU MOD?

[WilsonTurner]

xDDD
nice sig, vilage
go away pepperm1nts, you probably only know of half of what we're talking about.

If you know all of it
go away anyways

[Pepperm1nts]

You're right, I have no idea what you're all talking about. I tried reading and got lost in how much dumb shit I read coming from both sides.

[So Boerd]

What objections remain to my sheet?

[WilsonTurner]

Who died and let him become the judge of dumb?
The amount of raw intelligence and nerdiness coming from those other Precipricks or Precipicers or whatever else they call themselves is enormous.

Either they read way too much stuff on everything, or they can research superduper fast.

[Pepperm1nts]

WilsonTurner said
Who died and let him become the judge of dumb?The amount of raw intelligence and nerdiness coming from those other Precipricks or Precipicers or whatever else they call themselves is enormous.Either they read way too much stuff on everything, or they can research superduper fast.

They talk on Steam and research at the same time, in a combined, focused effort to kick your ass.

[Dinh AaronMk]

Pepperm1nts said
They talk on Steam and research at the same time, in a combined, focused effort to kick your ass.

Or anyone who is too crazy for their own good.

[Vilageidiotx]

WilsonTurner said
The amount of raw intelligence and nerdiness coming from those other Precipricks or Precipicers or whatever else they call themselves is enormous.

But Hugs is one of us. I think he can see through the smokescreen and realize that, in the end, we're all mostly just really good at talking out our collective asses.