Whovians only. We will destroy you in battle. Have a nice day :D

[AreYouMyMummy]

Um.. I wasn't discussing politics at all. D:

[Lillian Thorne]

AreYouMyMummy said
Um.. I wasn't discussing politics at all. D:

yes I was aware of that. That was sort of my point.

[AreYouMyMummy]

Oh. is that good or bad?

[Gwazi Magnum]

Oh Helloooooo fellow Whovian!



I really need to watch more of Tom Baker...
Once I'm done Carl Sagan's Cosmos. :P

Any who this does fit better in Spam.
But at the same time it's an understandable mistake, Off-Topic is really more a place for serious discussions but nothing in it's title gives it away.

AnyWHO... Who want's fish sticks and custard? :D

[Frizan]

Ugh.

[Cpt Toellner]

Magic Magnum said
Oh Helloooooo fellow Whovian!I really need to watch more of Tom Baker...Once I'm done Carl Sagan's Cosmos. :PAny who this does fit better in Spam.But at the same time it's an understandable mistake, Off-Topic is really more a place for serious discussions but nothing in it's title gives it away.AnyWHO... Who want's fish sticks and custard? :D

You would be one of these people.

[AreYouMyMummy]

Magic Magnum said
Oh Helloooooo fellow Whovian!I really need to watch more of Tom Baker...Once I'm done Carl Sagan's Cosmos. :PAny who this does fit better in Spam.But at the same time it's an understandable mistake, Off-Topic is really more a place for serious discussions but nothing in it's title gives it away.AnyWHO... Who want's fish sticks and custard? :D

I BLOODY LOVE YOU!

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Blitzkrieg said You would be one of these people.

AreYouMyMummy said I BLOODY LOVE YOU!

[ApocalypticaGM]

So I watched all but Name of the Doctor and there after, took a break, and my fiancé got into Who. We watched the 2005- series and she was hooked, had to stream Time of the Doctor, and now I'm waiting to see 13 in action. In watching so much of this show, I have to admit, I am seriously disappointed we don't see more Jack Harkness, Ricky, or Martha returns. They all work/ed for Torchwood or UNIT in some form, and I really think they should become regular additions whenever the groups come into play. I understand they don't want to overplay those organizations since they were so intertwined earlier in the show, but really, please?

Also, was Torchwood actually cancelled? I really fell in love with the gritty, dark sci-fi perspective of the Whoverse and would be surprised if it was considering shows like Sleep Hollow, CSI, Hannibal, and soon to be Constantine are up and around.

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ShonHarris said
So I watched all but Name of the Doctor and there after, took a break, and my fiancé got into Who. We watched the 2005- series and she was hooked, had to stream Time of the Doctor, and now I'm waiting to see 13 in action. In watching so much of this show, I have to admit, I am seriously disappointed we don't see more Jack Harkness, Ricky, or Martha returns. They all work/ed for Torchwood or UNIT in some form, and I really think they should become regular additions whenever the groups come into play. I understand they don't want to overplay those organizations since they were so intertwined earlier in the show, but really, please? Also, was Torchwood actually cancelled? I really fell in love with the gritty, dark sci-fi perspective of the Whoverse and would be surprised if it was considering shows like Sleep Hollow, CSI, Hannibal, and soon to be Constantine are up and around.

I need to get back into Torchwood at some point... :/

Captain Jack was my favourite Doctor Who character period though, even more than any of the doctors. So I would LOVE to see him come back in the TV series.
As for why Torchwood would be canceled but shitty shows stay... People tend to have horrid tastes, plus Torchwood was a bit disadvantaged in that it was a show that depended largely on you knowing and liking a different show.

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Magic Magnum said
I need to get back into Torchwood at some point... :/Captain Jack was my favourite Doctor Who character period though, even more than any of the doctors. So I would LOVE to see him come back in the TV series.As for why Torchwood would be canceled but shitty shows stay... People tend to have horrid tastes, plus Torchwood was a bit disadvantaged in that it was a show that depended largely on you knowing and liking a different show.

I do like some of those other shows, my point was really that they use similar elements, except Torchwood imagines them so differently it should be more popular.

I hear you about Jack. We love of too, for his confidence, character, and his being an openly Queer character who isn't portrayed to some stereotypical mess. Wouldn't put him higher than Doctor 10 or X in my book, both my favourites, but he's definitely high up. I just see them introducing characters and, while I agree they should live and go on past them, it's only been a few years in the base-timeline and our friends are probably out there somewhere. Just imagine the power couple Martha & Ricky jumping in to aid Clara when the Doctor's otherwise occupied. Beautiful thing, right?

[Kaga]

ShonHarris said
So I watched all but Name of the Doctor and there after, took a break, and my fiancé got into Who. We watched the 2005- series and she was hooked, had to stream Time of the Doctor, and now I'm waiting to see 13 in action. In watching so much of this show, I have to admit, I am seriously disappointed we don't see more Jack Harkness, Ricky, or Martha returns. They all work/ed for Torchwood or UNIT in some form, and I really think they should become regular additions whenever the groups come into play. I understand they don't want to overplay those organizations since they were so intertwined earlier in the show, but really, please? Also, was Torchwood actually cancelled? I really fell in love with the gritty, dark sci-fi perspective of the Whoverse and would be surprised if it was considering shows like Sleep Hollow, CSI, Hannibal, and soon to be Constantine are up and around.

Since there won't be any new episodes until this fall, I recommend trying out the Classic series while you wait.

I personally have only seen about two dozen episodes of it so far, and not all in order (actually I've been jumping around quite a bit), but I like a lot of what I've seen.

It's definitely a very different sort of show, though. TV in general was a lot different back then, I suppose, so that's something to keep in mind when going into it. In fact, I recommend starting with a Tom Baker episode instead of starting right at the very beginning of the Classic series. That should help ease you into it better so the drastic change isn't as much of a shock. (Be prepared for some laughable special effects, though. )

But yeah, Classic Who has a lot of interesting stuff to offer - like the fact that it's all pre-Time War, so there are lots of other Time Lords running around the universe. Also, there are quite a few things that come up that are just painfully ironic when you consider the events of more recent episodes. For example, after learning that the Master had obtained 13 more regenerations,

The Fourth Doctor said All Time Lords have to come to terms with the end of their regeneration cycle eventually. It's something we all have to deal with. Any Time Lord who cheats death by obtaining more regenerations is a coward.

At which point I was pretty much yelling at my TV, "DOCTOR PLEASE STOP TALKING".

But yeah, plenty of interesting stuff happens in Classic Who. That's what I've been watching to constantly supply myself with a Doctor Who fix until the new season starts in September.

[AreYouMyMummy]

I love you all so very much!


and this gif just because it's funny.

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ShonHarris said I do like some of those other shows, my point was really that they use similar elements, except Torchwood imagines them so differently it should be more popular. I hear you about Jack. We love of too, for his confidence, character, and his being an openly Queer character who isn't portrayed to some stereotypical mess. Wouldn't put him higher than Doctor 10 or X in my book, both my favourites, but he's definitely high up. I just see them introducing characters and, while I agree they should live and go on past them, it's only been a few years in the base-timeline and our friends are probably out there somewhere. Just imagine the power couple Martha & Ricky jumping in to aid Clara when the Doctor's otherwise occupied. Beautiful thing, right?

Captain Jack just has a general charm and personality I love. Him being a openly but not stereotypical queer character (which makes him one of the characters leading the industry of character design forward) is just a bonus. :P

But yea, I find it odd how after a regeneration the doctor often has to completely abandon old friends.
I get why from a writing stand point, but logically he's still the doctor. He still knows and cares for those people, they are still able to interact and do shit together.

Hell David Tenant and Sarah Jane are a giant proof of that. Sarah was a companion back with Tom Baker which was 6 regeneration's ago and they still hit off fine.

Kaga said At which point I was pretty much yelling at my TV, "DOCTOR PLEASE STOP TALKING".But yeah, plenty of interesting stuff happens in Classic Who. That's what I've been watching to constantly supply myself with a Doctor Who fix until the new season starts in September.

To be fair he's had about 1,000 years since then to reflect on that stance. At the same time his personality change's each regeneration, his general philosophy and friendships are the same, but personality and some outlooks change. And lastly, he wasn't even the one who chose to get the extra regeneration but had to given/forced on him when Clara asked the other time lords for aid.

[AreYouMyMummy]

Magic Magnum said
Captain Jack just has a general charm and personality I love. Him being a openly but not stereotypical queer character (which makes him one of the characters leading the industry of character design forward) is just a bonus. :PBut yea, I find it odd how after a regeneration the doctor often has to completely abandon old friends.I get why from a writing stand point, but logically he's still the doctor. He still knows and cares for those people, they are still able to interact and do shit together.Hell David Tenant and Sarah Jane are a giant proof of that. Sarah was a companion back with Tom Baker which was 6 regeneration's ago and they still hit off fine.To be fair he's had about 1,000 years since then to reflect on that stance. At the same time his personality change's each regeneration, his general philosophy and friendships are the same, but personality and some outlooks change. And lastly, he wasn't even the one who chose to get the extra regeneration but had to given/forced on him when Clara asked the other time lords for aid.

Am I the only one who doesn't like Clara?

[Kaga]

Magic Magnum said
But yea, I find it odd how after a regeneration the doctor often has to completely abandon old friends.I get why from a writing stand point, but logically he's still the doctor. He still knows and cares for those people, they are still able to interact and do shit together.Hell David Tenant and Sarah Jane are a giant proof of that. Sarah was a companion back with Tom Baker which was 6 regeneration's ago and they still hit off fine.

Well to be fair, most companions are given a good reason for leaving and not returning, ie getting trapped in another dimension, losing their memory, getting attacked by weeping angels, etc...

To be fair he's had about 1,000 years since then to reflect on that stance. At the same time his personality change's each regeneration, his general philosophy and friendships are the same, but personality and some outlooks change. And lastly, he wasn't even the one who chose to get the extra regeneration but had to given/forced on him when Clara asked the other time lords for aid.

Logically I understand that, but the irony of it still kills me.

Plus, I don't care if Eleven didn't personally seek out those extra regenerations, he still wasn't too happy to die and he sure was thrilled when more came pouring in.

[Darog the Badger God]

I'm glad Matt Smith is not the doctor.

Bring on Peter Capaldi.

[Gwazi Magnum]

AreYouMyMummy said Am I the only one who doesn't like Clara?

Yes :/

Kaga said Well to be fair, most companions are given a good reason for leaving and not returning, ie getting trapped in another dimension, losing their memory, getting attacked by weeping angels, etc...Logically I understand that, but the irony of it still kills me.Plus, I don't care if Eleven didn't personally seek out those extra regenerations, he still wasn't too happy to die and he sure was thrilled when more came pouring in.

Granted that does explain Rose, Amy and Donna.
But I'm thinking about Mickey, Jack, Martha. They were still around, hell they were all still pretty involved in the whole field of aliens and time but the the switch of David Tenant to Matt Smith still felt the need for one last goodbye as if after the regeneration he couldn't see them again.

I'd include Sarah Jane, but there's an episode in her own series where Matt Smith shows up, so obviously he's still able to run into her.

Darog the Badger God said I'm glad Matt Smith is not the doctor. Bring on Peter Capaldi.

[Kaga]

Magic Magnum said
Granted that does explain Rose, Amy and Donna.But I'm thinking about Mickey, Jack, Martha. They were still around, hell they were all still pretty involved in the whole field of aliens and time but the the switch of David Tenant to Matt Smith still felt the need for one last goodbye as if after the regeneration he couldn't see them again.I'd include Sarah Jane, but there's an episode in her own series where Matt Smith shows up, so obviously he's still able to run into her.

Eh, I guess Mickey and Martha just weren't as popular. Though you're right that there isn't much of an excuse for Jack.

Although, I did hear an amusing theory that the reason why Jack wasn't around at all during Matt Smith's run is because Moffat can't kill him.

Hopefully he'll show up during Capaldi's run. I really have no basis for this theory; it's just a hope.

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Kaga said
Eh, I guess Mickey and Martha just weren't as popular. Though you're right that there isn't much of an excuse for Jack. Although, I did hear an amusing theory that the reason why Jack wasn't around at all during Matt Smith's run is because Moffat can't kill him. Hopefully he'll show up during Capaldi's run. I really have no basis for this theory; it's just a hope.

I really wanted to see more Mickey and Martha because of this return of UNIT in new form. We saw the bulk of the organization be wiped out between Nine and Ten (Slyveen + ATMOS), but when it comes to the modern UNIT there's the daughter of some general from Classic Who, but no Jack, Martha, or Mickey. I agree some characters should be given time to breath and perhaps brought back later for giggles from at that point long-time Whovians, but why not feature them as the new foundation for UNIT's leadership. It's not like the group is constantly in the show anyway. Instead we get Amy & Rory, who though I loved them, were being forced onto us pretty hard then kept around a long while -- not a complaint here, just saying.

Mickey and Martha were characters written to never really be too loved. They were intentionally overshadowed by Rose, Mickey pretty clearly, and Martha noting this in her dialogue. That's exactly why I think they should appear occasionally. These are people who proved themselves as two of the most badass characters in the Whoverse, both trekking the Earth and fending off the occupation without the help of the Doctor (Rickey + Cybermen & the Year that Wasn't). The fact they got married pretty much means we have the human-equivalent of a Doctor Couple just jaunting about. Come on Moffat, it's all there for you.

I'm not really that mad. I love Who because it doesn't follow American ideals and is perfectly willing to act over your head for a time. They do as they please, but we trust them because we know even if a couple episodes made us cringe, it'll all be worth it later. I do have my wishes though... Jack...