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Gwazi Magnum
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If you're purposely lying just to get out I find it's stupid when in regards to work.
I can sympathize if it's just a terrible job that you only do for the pay, but it's just poor practice to skip days of work when there's no good reason for it.
You don't get paid, the work isn't done, the boss and rest of the workplace now have to pick up the slack and/or some poor person get's slapped with extra shift.
In regards to school there is no 'leaving it on others' factor to worry about, or the fact there's a responsibility to do a job that people rely on you for.
It's still stupid/poor practice if used in extremes though because it does nothing but harm your education and learning, but as far as we restrict this to High School and Elementary school you can very easily catch up on say one missed day with no problem. The work is easy, often times the school is so disorganized in how they teach anyways.
Sometime's it helps to just get the day off, when High School being daily classes expect you to do homework each day basically so the time off can help. Not so much with college when you have at a minimum an entire week between assignments, and in college if you miss a day, you missed a week.
TLDR: Work -> Poor Practice, generally no good reason to do it.
School -> If High School or lower, the quality of the education and the challenge of the work is low enough that you can easily skip a day and be fine. It's all about a healthy moderation.
I can sympathize if it's just a terrible job that you only do for the pay, but it's just poor practice to skip days of work when there's no good reason for it.
You don't get paid, the work isn't done, the boss and rest of the workplace now have to pick up the slack and/or some poor person get's slapped with extra shift.
In regards to school there is no 'leaving it on others' factor to worry about, or the fact there's a responsibility to do a job that people rely on you for.
It's still stupid/poor practice if used in extremes though because it does nothing but harm your education and learning, but as far as we restrict this to High School and Elementary school you can very easily catch up on say one missed day with no problem. The work is easy, often times the school is so disorganized in how they teach anyways.
Sometime's it helps to just get the day off, when High School being daily classes expect you to do homework each day basically so the time off can help. Not so much with college when you have at a minimum an entire week between assignments, and in college if you miss a day, you missed a week.
TLDR: Work -> Poor Practice, generally no good reason to do it.
School -> If High School or lower, the quality of the education and the challenge of the work is low enough that you can easily skip a day and be fine. It's all about a healthy moderation.
Faking it? Irresponsible childish behaviour that only a teenager would try to justify. Immoral? Ah, no. Pretty tasteless though.
Note: Extreme mental stress or disorders like depression =/= faking it. Not wanting to go and thus simply... Not going? Faking it.
Note: Extreme mental stress or disorders like depression =/= faking it. Not wanting to go and thus simply... Not going? Faking it.
Nope. if i don't want to do something, i'll just say so. Faking, lying and hiding is so despicable to me that too often doing so is just not worth it, IMHO.
We used to take parent-approved 'mental health days' from school. It was less about stress for us, and more about combating the boredom. Parental policy was that as long as you stayed above honor roll and passed all your tests, you pretty much made your own decisions. Worked for me and my brothers, ymmv.
Of course if I skipped school I couldn't very well show up for any of my team shit, so it's not like I really abused our 'system.' But I definitely cut my share of senior year.
Of course if I skipped school I couldn't very well show up for any of my team shit, so it's not like I really abused our 'system.' But I definitely cut my share of senior year.
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Well, like the others said, it's not really a nice thing to do. Not only are you skipping work without an acceptable reason (If you had one, you didn't have to lie about being sick), causing others to have to do your work too while you still get paid for it, but it also causes some major problems if you get caught. Your teacher/boss will not only be distrusting towards you, but also towards anyone else with the same excuse, even if it's actually legit for them. So yeah, don't do it :P
...That being said, I would be lying if I said I have never done this in the past for whatever reason >_>.
...That being said, I would be lying if I said I have never done this in the past for whatever reason >_>.
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Derpestein The Neckbeard Stroker
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Vordak said
Nope. if i don't want to do something, i'll just say so. Faking, lying and hiding is so despicable to me that too often doing so is just not worth it, IMHO.
...Saying so won't work though.
TBH, that's an good way to get fired. Skipping work because you don't want to and not even making an excuse.
I took a 'sick day' about 2 months ago now in order to skip my day job. Slightly different situation though, I actually let the guy that would need to cover the work know I was going to do it 1-2 weeks in advance, the reason being I was helping out the guy I do weekend work with set up for a major gig. I actually worked about 12 hours that day, though I got about half again my day jobs hourly wage for doing it, hence why I did it in the first place. I was actually going to put in for a rostered day off but they guy I work with encouraged me to just call in sick and use a sick day from my time. This was on a Thursday. So I did that came in Friday and the guy I work with took Friday off in return.
So in this case, it was a case of no harm no foul, but then I imagine the OP was more refering more to 'get out of bed and feel like having a lazy day' sort of thing.
So in this case, it was a case of no harm no foul, but then I imagine the OP was more refering more to 'get out of bed and feel like having a lazy day' sort of thing.
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Brovo said \Note: Extreme mental stress or disorders like depression =/= faking it. Not wanting to go and thus simply... Not going? Faking it.
I'm pretty sure this went without saying.
It's basically the same as going "Having the Flu, Needing Surgery, Lost a limb = Not faking it".
I mean no shit you're not faking it. May it be mental or physical it counts as a legit issue. :P
However this is all assuming it's a case where the person actually has depression, and isn't just claiming they are for attention, to dodge a bullet, avoid taking blame for something etc.
Neobullseye said Your teacher/boss will not only be distrusting towards you, but also towards anyone else with the same excuse, even if it's actually legit for them.
Eh... Maybe my High School was just an exception, but schools are pretty poor at tracking what's legit or not.
As long as a call was made (especially if you had your parent make the call) they often never thought twice about it.
In fact, the only time I was accused to faking sickness was when it was legit.
I would used to get very bad headaches in the mornings (Technically still do. Nothing ever worked in treated it. My best guess is that I simply adapted to signal out the rather constant pain, it still will pop up time to time, mainly when I think about it... like now... but still mostly unnoticeable. :P) and this would always cause me to slow down in my daily routine enough to be late for class. My lateness was so common from this, that even with medical notes and parental calls the teacher being an ass just assumed I was being lazy and using it as an excuse. This may of been partially because I was never the best at the class to start with so he was more disposed to assumed I just didn't care.
Basically, I think it's more just the matter of the teacher you get and their opinion of you.
It could be totally fake but if the teacher likes you they'll probably let it pass and assume it was legit. Or simply not care as long as you do well, I've had teachers who were like that as well. But your reasons could be 100% legit and the teacher may still accuse it as fake for no reason other than that they just don't like you.
Derpestein said
...Saying so won't work though.TBH, that's an good way to get fired. Skipping work because you don't want to and not even making an excuse.
Well that's how things should be: either i have a viable reason to skip, or i get fired. Of course, there might be some situation - ableit one hard to imagine - that will force me to fake an excuse, but even that sure isn't "just because i want to". No holier than thou thumping here, i simply don't like when others lie to me, and try not being a hypocrite.
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It is at least worth noting that never taking sick days for work can really earn you brownie points in the long run.
My Dad had a case at work a number of years ago where the Oil Refinery he worked at was re-purposed and they had to downsize from 300+ employee's to 12 (or less, I can't remember the exact number). And with my Dad's combination of 25+ years of service and the fact he not only never took sick days, but grabbed any overtime shift that opened up... ever he was one of the 12 to keep his job.
Granted though, from my understanding he mainly does this cause my family got in such debt over the therapy I need for my autism when I was younger that the money became a sort of requirement to pay it off, fund the therapy when it was happening, and still have a good retirement savings in the end. I doubt he would of done this in normal circumstances, but it still helps to show that even if it's 100% logical/justifiable to skip a shift that not doing so can have an unforeseen benefit down the road.
My Dad had a case at work a number of years ago where the Oil Refinery he worked at was re-purposed and they had to downsize from 300+ employee's to 12 (or less, I can't remember the exact number). And with my Dad's combination of 25+ years of service and the fact he not only never took sick days, but grabbed any overtime shift that opened up... ever he was one of the 12 to keep his job.
Granted though, from my understanding he mainly does this cause my family got in such debt over the therapy I need for my autism when I was younger that the money became a sort of requirement to pay it off, fund the therapy when it was happening, and still have a good retirement savings in the end. I doubt he would of done this in normal circumstances, but it still helps to show that even if it's 100% logical/justifiable to skip a shift that not doing so can have an unforeseen benefit down the road.
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The only time I've done this for work is when I worked retail, and the store managers were never decent at scheduling anyway. There were plenty of issues with overstaffing one area while understaffing another, and despite some of those areas being neighbors, the respective departments would refuse to share workloads. There were times when I would request days off, only to be scheduled then anyways. I'm sure the managers were well aware of what I was doing when I called in sick, but I didn't care because they didn't take the time to care for me.
I did it a few times in high school to catch up on work, mostly because I'm a terrible procrastinator. I've never faked a sick day in college, although most of my professors wouldn't even blink if their entire class wound up skipping.
As far as a full-time job, I don't think I'd ever do this, as others have mentioned it unfairly balances the workload. There are times when it might be unavoidable in life to take sick days, but don't just fake it because you're lazy or don't feel like it.
I did it a few times in high school to catch up on work, mostly because I'm a terrible procrastinator. I've never faked a sick day in college, although most of my professors wouldn't even blink if their entire class wound up skipping.
As far as a full-time job, I don't think I'd ever do this, as others have mentioned it unfairly balances the workload. There are times when it might be unavoidable in life to take sick days, but don't just fake it because you're lazy or don't feel like it.
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This reminds me of another question I have, but is close enough to this topic I'll just ask it here.
What are your people's standards for calling in sick legitimately? Do these standards vary depending on the job/work?
For me I skip class if it's anything like the flu or worse where moving makes it worse, so if I went to class I'd feel like shit and barely pay attention, but if I sat still I'd recover by the next morning.
If it's placement or work (which for me so far in life has always been around children) I call in sick if it's anything I am worried about being contagious. My concern being the children's health are my priority and I am doing them no favors coming in spreading a sickness to all of them, even if I can still technically work fine without it (common colds don't count here, that would keep me home for a full week and colds are common place in everyone regardless). Children are generally weaker to diseases than adults and I don't need to be coming in giving them a sickness that by most probability will be worse for them than it is for me.
What are your people's standards for calling in sick legitimately? Do these standards vary depending on the job/work?
For me I skip class if it's anything like the flu or worse where moving makes it worse, so if I went to class I'd feel like shit and barely pay attention, but if I sat still I'd recover by the next morning.
If it's placement or work (which for me so far in life has always been around children) I call in sick if it's anything I am worried about being contagious. My concern being the children's health are my priority and I am doing them no favors coming in spreading a sickness to all of them, even if I can still technically work fine without it (common colds don't count here, that would keep me home for a full week and colds are common place in everyone regardless). Children are generally weaker to diseases than adults and I don't need to be coming in giving them a sickness that by most probability will be worse for them than it is for me.
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If I could, I'd never take a sick day but medical issues all but ensure I have to take one about every month. If you're supposed to be at work, then people aredepending on you being there to do your job. You call in sick, legitimate or not, and then somebody else has to cover your work load. Basically, if you're faking it, you're being a lazy sack of shit who doesn't deserve that job because you obviously don't care enough to be there.
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Magic Magnum said
It is at least worth noting that never taking sick days for work can really earn you brownie points in the long run.My Dad had a case at work a number of years ago where the Oil Refinery he worked at was re-purposed and they had to downsize from 300+ employee's to 12 (or less, I can't remember the exact number). And with my Dad's combination of 25+ years of service and the fact he not only never took sick days, but grabbed any overtime shift that opened up... ever he was one of the 12 to keep his job.Granted though, from my understanding he mainly does this cause my family got in such debt over the therapy I need for my autism when I was younger that the money became a sort of requirement to pay it off, fund the therapy when it was happening, and still have a good retirement savings in the end. I doubt he would of done this in normal circumstances, but it still helps to show that even if it's 100% logical/justifiable to skip a shift that not doing so can have an unforeseen benefit down the road.
True.
Magic Magnum said
This reminds me of another question I have, but is close enough to this topic I'll just ask it here.What are your people's standards for calling in sick legitimately? Do these standards vary depending on the job/work?For me I skip class if it's anything like the flu or worse where moving makes it worse, so if I went to class I'd feel like shit and barely pay attention, but if I sat still I'd recover by the next morning.If it's placement or work (which for me so far in life has always been around children) I call in sick if it's anything I am worried about being contagious. My concern being the children's health are my priority and I am doing them no favors coming in spreading a sickness to all of them, even if I can still technically work fine without it (common colds don't count here, that would keep me home for a full week and colds are common place in everyone regardless). Children are generally weaker to diseases than adults and I don't need to be coming in giving them a sickness that by most probability will be worse for them than it is for me.
If I'm legitimately sick and it's contagious I'll stay home. If it isn't contagious, I can try to deal with it.
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I think it's a bad idea. Hanging onto your callouts means you can use them when you really need to. Otherwise, you either go in really sick or have real trouble (like car engine trouble) and can't get the boss to work with you on it.
I had that exact problem come up today, and I asked him to change the schedule. He trusted that I was being honest. Other people, suspect in his eyes, don't get that consideration.
Basically, the boss knows when you're fucking them, and they will return the favor. Your coworkers will eventually get tired of carrying your ass too; sometimes when you call out you aren't hurting them. On the other hand, if it's a busy day and they're gonna hurt, you're letting the team down.
I had that exact problem come up today, and I asked him to change the schedule. He trusted that I was being honest. Other people, suspect in his eyes, don't get that consideration.
Basically, the boss knows when you're fucking them, and they will return the favor. Your coworkers will eventually get tired of carrying your ass too; sometimes when you call out you aren't hurting them. On the other hand, if it's a busy day and they're gonna hurt, you're letting the team down.
That pious statement down, I will mention the exception to even my rule: I did a shift for omelets at brunch one Sunday, it was busy and I asked for pans that weren't burnt out because I was on the omelet station, and they called me a pussy, told me to stop crying and to 'learn some technique.' My problem was that the pans were sitting right there and the regular guy burns his shit all day long and doesn't care. I do. They were like, "Well, you have all the other guy's pans!" and I was like, "They don't work." Their response: yeah, learn some technique. That was the brand new sous chef, who just got there. Not my regular chef, I was loaned to this guy.
Immensely disrespectful -- I mean, I'd spent two years doing that station and I knew the technique as well as any of the line cooks -- so much so that they moved me from doing 20 dollar omelets to doing tens of thousands of dollars of banquets. Seriously?
Fast forward to the next weekend; we were full up with a bunch of really hungry fratboys doing a conference, and we had baseball all weekend long. That's when it gets really busy, and the normal omelet guy...well, he wanted Sunday off again. They had me scheduled all weekend long, but it went like 12-8pm on Saturday and 6am-2pm on Sunday...and odds are, given the way things were going, I'd be overtiming on Saturday. Well, when I saw I was being turned over off of a busy night in banquets, with very little sleep to handle a fraternity full of fratboys looking for breakfast (same guys we fed last night weren't being fed by Banquets in the morning) and a ball game crowd all brunch long, I replayed the way they treated me in my head and called out as soon as I was off work. I wasn't gonna bust my ass without any sleep on a double-slam shift after that bullshit.
No one questioned it. Well, maybe the sous chef did, but he wasn't in my chain of command. What I did there was send a message to the other cooks that were relying on me-- show some fucking respect or be left to hang, asshole.
That's been my only made-up callout at this job, and there was a point to it.
Immensely disrespectful -- I mean, I'd spent two years doing that station and I knew the technique as well as any of the line cooks -- so much so that they moved me from doing 20 dollar omelets to doing tens of thousands of dollars of banquets. Seriously?
Fast forward to the next weekend; we were full up with a bunch of really hungry fratboys doing a conference, and we had baseball all weekend long. That's when it gets really busy, and the normal omelet guy...well, he wanted Sunday off again. They had me scheduled all weekend long, but it went like 12-8pm on Saturday and 6am-2pm on Sunday...and odds are, given the way things were going, I'd be overtiming on Saturday. Well, when I saw I was being turned over off of a busy night in banquets, with very little sleep to handle a fraternity full of fratboys looking for breakfast (same guys we fed last night weren't being fed by Banquets in the morning) and a ball game crowd all brunch long, I replayed the way they treated me in my head and called out as soon as I was off work. I wasn't gonna bust my ass without any sleep on a double-slam shift after that bullshit.
No one questioned it. Well, maybe the sous chef did, but he wasn't in my chain of command. What I did there was send a message to the other cooks that were relying on me-- show some fucking respect or be left to hang, asshole.
That's been my only made-up callout at this job, and there was a point to it.
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Lol, this is hilarious. I actually did fake sick when I was in sixth grade. For a whole week. Multiple factors played in part. I had to be out several days because I broke my arm during a basketball practice. Then, I had a shit-ton of work piled onto me. And for whatever reason that particular year I was just not interested. I don't know if I felt stressed or what.
But, I just let work pile on and then didn't do a bunch of it. Lost one of my projects somehow and it wasn't handed in. Thus, bad grades. I had never had a bad report card at any time in my life until that point. So I forged it. I was too stressed to even think about showing my parents an unsatisfactory report card. One of those things where we definitely put too much pressure on kids. But hey, I got through it. They definitely found out, and I got in trouble with my parents, etc. In the end of the day, I succeeded in the next grades. High honor roll in 7th and 8th grade. Top 12 of my class in high school, so all in all I turned out fine after that small part of my school experience. Never faked sick again after that. Just a strange year, I'm not sure how I would define how I was feeling mentally.
Faking for work is stupid, though. But, mental health days could be needed. I like that idea as MDK pointed out. Sometimes we're going to be stressed and just need to take a day off to re-gather ourselves. People working don't get nearly enough vacation days as they should anyway.
But, I just let work pile on and then didn't do a bunch of it. Lost one of my projects somehow and it wasn't handed in. Thus, bad grades. I had never had a bad report card at any time in my life until that point. So I forged it. I was too stressed to even think about showing my parents an unsatisfactory report card. One of those things where we definitely put too much pressure on kids. But hey, I got through it. They definitely found out, and I got in trouble with my parents, etc. In the end of the day, I succeeded in the next grades. High honor roll in 7th and 8th grade. Top 12 of my class in high school, so all in all I turned out fine after that small part of my school experience. Never faked sick again after that. Just a strange year, I'm not sure how I would define how I was feeling mentally.
Faking for work is stupid, though. But, mental health days could be needed. I like that idea as MDK pointed out. Sometimes we're going to be stressed and just need to take a day off to re-gather ourselves. People working don't get nearly enough vacation days as they should anyway.
If you don't work in food service, you can see straight, focus, and walk and you're not throwing up, you should probably go to work.
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If you don't work in food service, you can see straight, focus, and walk and you're not throwing up, you should probably go to work.
if you can work, work. If you need to stay home, stay home. Attendance is literally the single most basic aspect of having a job. You need to be able to handle that decision.
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mdk said
if you can work, work. If you need to stay home, stay home. Attendance is literally the single most basic aspect of having a job. You to be able to handle that decision.
Reasonable answer. And, IMHO, correct.
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