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Message to the Triarians
"Before you force us off think of the logical progression here. For most species forcing atheism does not work to convert them, only causing chaos. Freedom of Religion is a step that for most species allows progress to a more atheist/agnostic society. I guarantee you that some portion of these rebels are atheist, and that with freedom of religion, they could speak freely about there beliefs, without fear of death by the government. Then with the advancement of technology and progression, they would all become atheist, leading to a completely atheist/agnostic society. By allowing the rebels to win you allow for what you consider a more logical and rational society."
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"Before you force us off think of the logical progression here. For most species forcing atheism does not work to convert them, only causing chaos. Freedom of Religion is a step that for most species allows progress to a more atheist/agnostic society. I guarantee you that some portion of these rebels are atheist, and that with freedom of religion, they could speak freely about there beliefs, without fear of death by the government. Then with the advancement of technology and progression, they would all become atheist, leading to a completely atheist/agnostic society. By allowing the rebels to win you allow for what you consider a more logical and rational society."


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"Irrelevant, your hypocrisy is catagorised as humourous. Point one: You are forcing a system upon them, yet condemn this yourselves. Point two: Most freedom of religion nations do not fit the rule you have proposed, therefore the rule is wrong. Point three: Your forcing of freedom of religion is causing chaos, therefore your argument is incorrect."
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1.We are support the rebels, Sazkarjhia can continue to mantain there policies, but if the rebels want freedom of religion.
2.You have met a grand total of two nations with this rule, thus not enough data has been collected. And before Zawranusim took over from what we saw there was a rapidly rising atheist population in Sazkarjhia. Models have also further shown that Sazkarjhia would have sooner or later evolved into a completely atheist society.
3. The rebels are rapidly ordering and structuring themselves. Most things create chaos, but what we are doing is not on the level of forcing atheism.
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Hearing the call, the Lakfakalle Cooperative Federation fleet responded to it with all the fuel they had left, voluntarily stranding themselves in the system. The weapons ports on the warships flared up, preparing to tear apart any vessel that challenged them. Fighters swarmed in a holding pattern around their carriers, leaving behind blue trails of argon plasma behind them. The Starfire sent a broadcast to the entire system, making sure everyone would pick it up.

"This is the Lakfakalle Cooperative Federation Warship Starfire! All hostilities will cease immediately and peace talks will be held onboard this vessel! Failure to comply will result in the destruction or capture of all involved warships, death or capture of all involved ground troops, and the occupation of this world. You have one hour to comply."

Nikolien System
"Enemy shields are down, I repeat, enemy shields are down!"

"Go in for the kill, Gold One!"

The fighter swooped down from above the strange enemy, and fired its antiproton pulse cannons. The orange spheres of antimatter slammed into the enemy vessel's hull, tearing the ship in half. The atmosphere within was converted into energy by the antiprotons that got through the hull, the shockwave causing the ship to explode. The fighters regrouped, and began their assault on the one remaining cruiser. Antiproton spheres struck the enemy shields, causing water-blue ripples across the surface. The Yamadai's antiproton weapons ports were now glowing orange with particle buildup. The enemy had made a crucial mistake; they regretted to destroy the actual generators, and the single clump of wires they took out was easily replaced.

The Antiproton Beam Lance fired, disintegrating the entire enemy ship with a single, short blast. It didn't stop, though, and kept on going until it hit a large planetoid left over from the destruction of Nikolien. The beam went straight through it as well, disintegrating it entirely. A few kilometers further, it dissipated and the antiprotons spread out across the debris field, eating away at some smaller asteroids. Finally, it was all gone.

"Nanobots have completed construction of the S'Masi Base. Gas collection platforms are completed, refineries completed, negative energy production plants completed." Said one of the human crewmen on the bridge, his eyes fixed on a screen.

"Oh sure, the nanobots finish the thing with weapons after we're attacked by pirates. Speaking of the pirates, I've seen a similar design before. I just... I just can't remember when. Oh well, probably just me wanting to know what was going on. Leave behind the transport drones, have them carry the gas and fuel back to Lakfakalle. The military transports will bring in colonists, we just have to concern ourselves with pressing on. Our next target is the G-X-957 system."

"Captain, isn't that in former Ceramus territory?"

"Yes, but there's a habitable planet in the system. It has no intelligent life, so the Ceramus neglected to terraform it. It happens to be 90% water, more than enough room for the Dolphins. At only two light years from here, it's perfect for our second planetside colony, and we won't be losing this one! Initiate jump, 100c!"
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1.We are support the rebels, Sazkarjhia can continue to mantain there policies, but if the rebels want freedom of religion.2.You have met a grand total of two nations with this rule, thus not enough data has been collected. And before Zawranusim took over from what we saw there was a rapidly rising atheist population in Sazkarjhia. Models have also further shown that Sazkarjhia would have sooner or later evolved into a completely atheist society.3. The rebels are rapidly ordering and structuring themselves. Most things create chaos, but what we are doing is not on the level of forcing atheism.


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One: This is an internal affair for the Sazkarjhit to handle, there is no law stating you can intervene
Two: Incorrect: LCF, EA, AIF, Equestrian Empire, New Equestrian Empire. Five different nations across history. Whatever the case, what right do you have to use the Sazkarjhit as text animals for your theory? Particularly as given the nature of Sazkarjhit society this will likely cause a massive divide for centuries, hate and possibly wars? Note: Please confirm when you witnessed your evidence regarding the Sazkarjhit, we don't recall your presence at that time.
Three: No, you are taking a society built upon religion and throwing in part atheism, part other religions. Given your method of doing this, you are creating a festering wound in the Sazkarjhit culture.

The first contact this Collective had with the Sazkarjhit was a holy war. We do not wish to see that repeated inside Sazkarjhia, especially considering the strides they have made to become a productive member of the galactic community. In this situation, the change must be orchestrated by the Sazkarjhit body its self, or otherwise risk sociostability. Likewise, the change should be gradual, not a sharp shift. This rebellion has already failed as the Sazkarjhit people will now be more opposed to the change, the correct manner in this circumstances, without a full forced reform of the entire Sazkarjhit society and oppression for a transition period, would be to gradually change public opinion towards the issue. This has likely served to strengthen opposition

Message to the LCF

"Attention: Uncivil behavior detected, your threat to personnel of multiple sovereign entities has been recorded and logged. Please maintain civil communication with other vessels. Notice: LCF has no authority in this region, nor do the Equestrians. This is a Sazkarjhit internal affair, they have the right to handle it as such."
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1.There is not law stating we can't intervene either.
2.The EA, AIF, and LCF could all be considered the same entity for intents and purposes. They all similiar society and governments. In fact according to AIF archives, which is also where we gathered our information about the Sazkarjhit, the only difference between the EA and AIF is the name, and they were the same entity.
3.The culture is not entirely based off religion. Zawarniusm did not always exist.
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"1: This is not your space. That is law enough, in this space you obey their laws, unless this is an invasion.
2: Irrelevant, they were still seperate entities and logically your rule would still apply and they would have moved in the direction you implied, thus diversifying them. They didn't, therefore your theory was wrong."
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1.The Sazkarjhit failed to obey our rulings in our space, why should we do so in theres?
2.They were similiar entities if they separate then. The only way for them to move on to our predicted theory is if they had a major societal or governmental change, which did not happen between the 3, thus since they maintained there original government and society they couldn't. If a major societal change it would be likely that they would go down that path. And another factor is that all 5 of these were exposed to the CoF.
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"What you truly understand of our culture or governmental practice is minimal. As I stated earlier, Sazkarjhia went into Equestrian space to hunt down a pirate menace. In the face of political instability with a colony, Equestria comes to not only impose their own beliefs onto our own but also to support a group that threatens the welfare of Sazkarjhia and her colonies. And while Sazkarjhia did not get its roots from Zarwaunism, our religious system has been in place for so long and its dogma held so strong that it's our governing principle. The Scriptures govern our empire.

"I do not want any of this "theory" business affecting the men, women and children that I swore a sacred oath to protect. Excuse my language, but you either get the fuck out of my space or I will target all of your ships and have them destroyed."


LCF Response
"This is Commander Felasi'hum. I am fine with organizing a meeting, but we'll have to make it quick. The sooner the Equestrians are out of Sazkarjhit space the better. The Grand Vessel and I will be en route to Serenity shortly."
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"Just because its pirate menace, regardless of there origin or association, you entered equestrian space without We had already dealt with the pirates to the point where they were a non-threat. If you expect us to respect your laws and rulings, then you should respect ours as well. And as we said, you can maintain your ideals and policies. We are only interested in allowing the secession of Serenity, if a majority of Serenity wants to. If not, then we will take the rebels and find them a new colony.

Also they just threatened you Triarii, what shall you do?"
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"For gods' sakes, is anything I'm saying getting through to you?!"
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"Yes, but the way you worded your sentence implied both of us.
And we are not interested in cooperating with a nation who first came into our space, threatened us, and then after we thought they had apologized, continued to defy our rulings."
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"Clearly you are incapable of listening, so let me be as frank as possible: If you don't get out of this system and this sector of space you'll be firing your engines as you try to get away from a wall of tungsten. Consider your next steps wisely, Equestrians."
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"Oh that? Last time your fleet was turning tale and running. Your weapons are incapable of doing much damage to use unless you outnumber us 30-to-1. Firing upon us before something could be worked out would also loose you support, not a wise decision."
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"I have no vessels currently in Sazkarjhit space. Unless he has an interstellar sniper I am Green. Returning to debate

One: Relevant point, and the reason we need a international law established. For the sake of smooth transitional affairs and the moral/legal high ground I advise obeying their laws
Two: Then the CoF is an institution dedicated to stagnation and lack of social advancement, which is a separate debate. The rule would still apply, unless Faust is in the business of brainwashing anyone on the same planet as a CoF worshiper."

Sazkarjhit

"Request entry permission into your space for one times Hastati vessel, in order to gain on scene knowledge of the situation and observe peace meeting. Request stand by permission for emergency deployment of one fleet of ships in case this escalates to violence."
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"Please do, you Triarians could probably assess the situation better, and we need some support in case things take a turn for the worst."
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"Equestria no longer wishes to argue over this. We will withdrawal."

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The Equestrians have withdrawn to there own borders and have cut contact with all other nations. Official word is that they have entered isolation.
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Doman reclined in the chair on the bridge of PNS Mighty Zephyr, the flagship of the Sazkar Rearguard that was mobilized following Contingency A-0003-5431. The Grand Vessel in an adjacent chair breathed a sigh of relief as the message came in.

"It's about damn time." Commander Felasi'hum muttered, her voice bitter.

"Yes, I suppose it is. Now we can finally deal with this problem." Fakeem replied before turning his head to Fleetmaster Asara Tin'yum, commander of "Big Speedy", as her crew called it. "Send orders to SAF015 ordering the deployment of a full military force to occupy Gurin. We're finally able to swoop in and crush this rebellion and I want to be taken care of as swiftly as possible."

Fleetmaster Tin'yum crisply saluted, and returned a quick, "Yes, Grand vessel," before relaying the command to her Communications Officer.
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Over 3 new star systems have now been deemed Empire territory. Two have habitable planets suitable for life without any further costly alterations, one of the two had a dense coverage of unknown ruins that does not belong to either Temer, Ceteral, Human or Equestrian design. A small look of biological life revealed traces of a defunct nanovirus that, apparently, mutated cells and destroyed immune systems. Although stated as harmless, great care is still advised in handling it, says one chief biologist. What stunned colonists more was the enormous remains of a colossal vessel. It appeared to be too derelict to reactivate, despite its ruins still appearing well-preserved.

The last one contains an asteroid belt littered with radioactive crystals, and appears to be the remains of a planet that was destroyed, assumingly, in war against an unknown party. The material is three times more explosive than other fissile elements such as plutonium, based on analysis.

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Serenity

A single Hastati ship appeared in system and drifted forwards a few meters before holding on the edge if the system, its hull glowing in the sun. There was a small flicker as it raised its shields and observed the situation between the LCF, the Serenity Insurrection and the Sazkarjhit forces
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