[OOC] Teen Titans: Reborn [REBOOT]

[makarov]

BKburke said
You ask me to be reasonable when you brag about being op. Ok. I see you how you want to rp.

Its not OP its realistic...They are both super fast and strong...we could both hold our owwn in a fight with superman...your are being OP to think we wouldn't be able to kill you...yes kill...You murder Serenity you die on impact.

[Tidus]

No. I'm doing it in response to your actions. That's the character. That's how he was made to be, and approved. I don't like to brag or flaunt it, I'm being real about it. That's something that would let us save her. Because no one factored in the two of us being on the team. How many comics are fixed when the new hero shows up to save the day? There's our way out. And you won't accept it because you WANT to win. You don't want to do what's right and fair.

If you can't be fair, then I can't play fair. I hate doing this to people, but I'll make an exception when someone is being forced to change their character and outlook. You're being petty, and it's like arguing with a toddler over who gets the racecar in the happy meal. We came here to have fun. Not argue and bicker because someone isn't able to negotiate.

[BKburke]

He bragged and I'm gonna bight back. Simple as that. Just wait.

Y'all really want to do this cuz of your mistakes then ok. Y'all obviously want to be cheap. I can be cheap back.

[Lucius Cypher]

This seems to have become one entire dicking contest, has it? I don't know if my input matters, but here's how it seems things have turned out...

The Teen Titan's lost. Defeat sucks. Power beyond you control acted in such a way that not beneficial to you. Life isn't fair, and turns out life here isn't much different. Even if you guys can kill Jack, it doesn't change that Serenity is likely to be dead, or near dead, herself. Trying to scare BK into not doing it by threatening his character isn't the brightest idea either. I know it sucks, because despite having some of the most powerful abilities in the galaxy, you still couldn't save the life of people you care about. It's tragic, but it's also character development. In a perfect world Jack wouldn't have to go this far, but this isn't a perfect world. It's just one where we have to act with what we know and can do.

[makarov]

Lucius Cypher said
This seems to have become one entire dicking contest, has it? I don't know if my input matters, but here's how it seems things have turned out...The Teen Titan's lost. Defeat sucks. Power beyond you control acted in such a way that not beneficial to you. Life isn't fair, and turns out life here isn't much different. Even if you guys kill Jack, it doesn't change that Serenity is likely to be dead, or near dead, herself. Trying to scare BK into not doing it by threatening his character isn't the brightest idea either. I know it sucks, because despite having some of the most powerful abilities in the galaxy, you still couldn't save the life of people you care about. It's tragic, but it's also character development. In a perfect world Jack wouldn't have to go this far, but this isn't a perfect world. It's just one where we have to act with what we know and can do.

I wasn't threatining him into not doing it...I was making it clear that when it happened his character was going to die...I didn't want him to not have fair warning...Theres always a way to work it out...but if Serenity does die the instant reaction would be to rip Jack in half.

[Tidus]

I'm not threatening him at all, I'm telling him what the result is going to be. There's no way out of this for anyone. He can do it if he wants. I don't threaten, it's petty. I just want him to know that, as this is our consequence, that is his, because it would be obligatory. I don't like killing characters, I don't like being OP, but I have to act in the realms of my character, as does everyone.

I hate having to do it, but that's simply what would happen. He isn't willing to bend, and so neither am I.

[Lucius Cypher]

Yeah, so it turns out all our characters are willing to kill each other. And what do you think that changes? He's already going to kill Serenity. Going to kill him is just making this into one huge cycle of revenge, one that neither side is willing to stop. I know you're all pissed that he's going to kill Serenity. That makes sense. Some of you might even blame yourselves, and I wouldn't disagree to that.

What I'm saying is that you need to lay off BK just because he's going to do it. I hate the decision myself, but that's what's going to happen. Don't bring the anger of your character here into the OOC.

And BK, once again, you're the one to pull the trigger. Don't respond to their anger with your own. I already told you that you will face the consequence for your actions, and these are one of them. What you did might not be good, but that doesn't mean you need to make it worse by feeding the fire. Don't let other people's passions and emotions make you lose control of yours.

[Tidus]

I apologize for bringing this to such a high heat. I just didn't want her to have to lose her character, and I believe that it's her choice. If she doesn't want to lose her character, other people need to be willing to bend. I had hoped that by coming on here and talking it out we could come to an agreement, but I can see that I was wrong. We will simply do as we do, I suppose.

I'm sorry that I started all of this, and I hope you'll forgive me.

[BKburke]

Well actually, because it is a chain post and I have the go, I could post jack not only killing serenity but also getting away before they show up. However, they want to be 'cheap' so I'm simply waiting to ask the gm to take the restraints off of my characters powers. And if he says no, that's fine, cuz I can make another character. I do find it funny how they have come to act immature because they can't get what they want but that's ok.

Here is fact. The titans messed up. They didnt come to save serenity and this is what happens. Now, because of the consequences, they are throwing hissy fits to get what they want by threatening my character.

[Lucius Cypher]

BK, they want to save Serenity. You don't seem to be giving them that chance, saying that logically that Jack will kill her. They're saying if that happens, there's nothing stopping them from releasing their rage and going after Jack. They want to save Serenity, the problem is that they need YOUR approval. You speak of how much you don't want to take away someone's character, but you don't seem to want to open up any chances that she could be saved. In a world with aliens, magic, and technology beyond our understanding, logic and limitations are fairly hazy.

They have ways and ideas to save her, they just need your approval. They're coming to you with what they want to do now, instead of doing it behind your back or without your permission. Once again, the actions of what others do is reliant on what you tell them.

[BKburke]

They never once offered or said anything about a way to save her. All they did was rage like an 8 year old on COD and threaten me by explaining how op and cheap their character is.

Go ahead and read back through it and tell me that you see them posting an idea about how to save her. I know for a fact that they didn't speak of an idea to save her.

Me and blue had it all worked out on how Serenity could come back but nope. Cheapness and op threats are the way to go on this forum.

[Tidus]

We could easily use our powers to save her, you could still get away, it happens all the time in these situations. And you can't just claim to have your restrictions removed, as I haven't removed mine. If you were to do that, it would be an injustice to the rest of us, and this isn't getting us anywhere.

I just want you to be reasonable and accept my offer to listen to me, then I can explain it to you. As well as GT sent you a PM with a plan and you rejected it. We just want this to be fair for everyone.

[BKburke]

The only pm I have gotten about serenity is from blue.

Also, I'm not claiming to have my restrictions removed. I clearly stated I would wait for the gm. And do tell how your powers (without being op of course) could save her.

And you ever consider I would listen if you didn't threaten me? That didn't seem to pop into your head on earlier posts.

But sure, I'll be reasonable to the guy who just bragged about how op his character was.

[Lucius Cypher]

Okay, so maybe they messed up pretty badly to. Children. But surely you get the impression that they want to save her, don't you? Because if they can't they can only avenge her. That's the problem. This is becoming a cycle of wanting to kill each other, because right now the option of trying to save Serenity seems impossible. You're the only one who can save her now, and that everyone is trying to figure out a way to do it. But unless you say it's okay, they don't have any idea. And I know why you might not want to either; because now that means you have to be defeated. You'd be doing what I hated to do; tell everyone how to defeat yourself. To be honest, I congratulate you on what you've done so far. It's despicable and I wish I could have done it myself.

This is what seems to be what's wanted:

Titan's want Serenity back.

BKburke doesn't want to lose.

Now everyone involved wants to figure out some way for those two goals to be met. Everyone including the those in the Titan's as well as you, BK. Are you open to negotiations?

[BKburke]

I am a reasonable person. Remember earlier when we actually sat and thought of was to save her?

But what did they do? They flat out threatened me. That was the first thing that came to their head.

They basically said "hey bk, we have op characters and if we don't get what we want, we are going to abuse the hell out of their abilities."

[Lucius Cypher]

No one is perfect BKburke. They're children who don't want you to hurt their friends. The first thing that came to their mind is to protect her doing what they could, which was being angry. It's also why you and I both probably think they make horrible titans because of this. It's for that reason that I'm here, so that we can try to talk this out without resorting to trying to manipulate each other through emotions.

Let's be honest; this is a definite Free-Quality RP. It's practically lawless. What happens here tends to happen on the whims and emotions of those who inhabit it. And sufficient to say, not all of us are very good or think well. For that reason we need to cooperate and work together instead of this lone wolf style everyone seems to be going for. Otherwise it descends into chaos fueled by our passions and anger. Fun as they are, they leave a bad aftertaste.

Now know that most of the Titan's probably want to save Serenity. Right now they don't know how to do it, just what they can try to do. If anyone really wants to save Serenity, speak now, and tell us your plan.

[Tidus]

No, I wasn't bragging. I was saying that your plan didn't hold any creedance in the situation, and that it wouldn't work. If you were to allow it, either of us could outpace your character and steal away the trigger without setting it off, because of their great speed. That's one option. Another is that they could cause the vest to fail and short circuit. Yet another is that Superboy could tear it off, whip around and embrace it and surpress the explosion.

From the moment that I started role playing in this, I tried to get everyone to back me and go. But no one was cooperating and this may be the price. But there are still ways out of it if everyone is willing to explore them. Coupled with the fact that Thunder and Superboy would be unexpected, gives us the advantage of surprise and allows these to be possible.

[BKburke]

Now here is the problem with those ideas tidus. To take the detonator away from Jack leads us to assume the you automatically know what you are dealing with before you even encounter it.

Trying to take off the vest may work, but I did explain what would happen. Jack said "I wouldn't try to take off that vest. The experience may be rather shocking." Serenity may die by that alone given the fact that she has already suffered so much.

It short circuiting couldn't work because it is copper plated. Meaning that situations like that won't work.

And explain how y'all have the advantage of surprise when Makarov changes the weather every time he addresses himself? You came literally crashing through the roof.

Look, I don't like to argue, but when you basically say consequences can't happen because of the op of your character, there is no point in having a villain such as mine. I make my characters who is based off making people learning from their mistakes but obviously as you stated earlier, I can't simply because you will throw yourself and Makarov, the two most powerful people in this rp at anyone who does what you don't like.

In the confines of your posts. You and Makarov stated that your characters can make up for their mistakes simply because they are op.

[Lucius Cypher]

Tidus, focus on saving Serenity first. Jack is a threat, yes, but Serenity is in the most immediate danger.

That being said, the shock from the vest is likely less lethal than the explosions that would have occurred. At the very least, Super Boy could try to rip it off before the electricity damages Serenity too much. Not the safest, but an option.

I don't know how Copper plating would stop the short circuit so won't bother with it.But if Super Boy can Freeze the bomb that might work, though I don't know how that would work with actual bombs in that case.

The only advantage of surprise that could be given is if Super Boy flies in at speed large enough to blow away the Tear Gas, thus giving him a visual, and using his super senses to perceive the reality around him fast enough to formulate a plan. He can think fast, I know that much, and thinking will get him far. But if the idea that Super Boy can think of something quickly too impossible for you, than there is one other thing that might work, depending on how you vest is made. It could simply be destroyed. Most bombs aren't so volatile that they could be triggered by just shooting them, at least not military grade stuff. Right now the only thing that could trigger the explosion is if Jack releases the trigger. If they can't reach the trigger they can reach the bomb, and remove that from the threat.

[BKburke]

That's fine with me. It's logical and it can work.

I'm just stating that in order to even stand a chance now, I'm either going to have to amp up my character exponentially or give him equipment centered around their weaknesses. The equipment around weaknesses does make sense because Jack is hunting them down specifically but that would make it extremely boring for me.