Let's B!tch. I feel it's a healthy release for our roleplay annoyances 2.0

[Weird Tales]

I hate it when people mistake a calm comment for something angry or aggressive do to wording. It gets very awkward.

[Verdaux]

I was told not to do it.

I was told it's impossible.

I was told it would impede my progress as a person.

I was told I am in desperate need, and it was just as a band-aid solution I came up with.

I still don't understand, though : who in the feckless fuck did someone say that you couldn't be legitimate platonic friends with someone of the opposite gender?

What kind of pussy shoots male pussies right out of the box? How fucked up did you have come out of the womb to say that women aren't capable of talking about competition, and men about feelings? If you're a real man and can bet me 100$ that you can nail any pussy, why be so protective about your women? If I never stood a chance, would the "feminine" talking really jeopardize her fidelity?

Conversely, am I not capable of pondering the pains of a woman? Why bother bitching and whining about it every month if you don't expect me to? Why even bother spouting your bullshit if you're genuinely surprised you get feedback from your target audience?

[tsukune]

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I once met someone who asked to write the personality out in single word adjectives i.e. "happy, angry, sad" because he openly admitted he would likely deviate from the personality in the RP and so didn't want to write out a solid paragraph.

I mean, if you're deviating from your character's personality outside of authentic character development, then you're doing it wrong.

@Mercurial

...Hang on.

"Happy, angry, sad" are emotions a person would go through depending on the situation they are in. They are not personality traits.

Did that person even understand what "personality" actually means?

:/

[Dion]

@tsukune You can generally be a happy person. I wouldn't say they're good descriptions but they're descriptions none the less.

I'd much prefer those descriptions over a character that's supposed to be really funny and smart but in the actual IC, is totally different.

[Mercurial]

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...Hang on.

"Happy, angry, sad" are emotions a person would go through depending on the situation they are in. They are not personality traits.

Did that person even understand what "personality" actually means?

:/

@tsukune

Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't. It was like they were explicitly trying to fit into every bad player stereotype. They also wanted to do a "revealed in RP" history.

[tsukune]

@tsukune You can generally be a happy person. I wouldn't say they're good descriptions but they're descriptions none the less.

@Buddha

A happy person =/= a happy-go-lucky person. The former is an emotion that makes the person feel that way which is specific to a particular situation, while the latter is a quality in the person's personality/belief that drives them to be happy about the things around them or situations they are in. (I think you're trying to mean an optimistic/positive person who is generally happy about things.)

Words like "happy, sad, angry", etc. are descriptive terms (and they are some of the most basic, generic ones), but they are useless to describe a character's personality. Personality is not how the character feels towards certain things, but distinctive characteristics and qualities that define who they are, which includes their personal beliefs and values that drive them forward in their life, and also affect how they view the world and people around them.

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Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't. It was like they were explicitly trying to fit into every bad player stereotype. They also wanted to do a "revealed in RP" history.

@Mercurial

I can understand if they choose to reveal more details about the character's backstory in the IC rather than vomiting out chunks of purple prose in the CS, but at least have a paragraph or two to give the general idea of the character's origin; i.e. where they were born, the kind of family and place they grew up in, and some major key events that happened in their life which shaped them into the character they have become before the beginning of the IC timeline, etc. Those are important to help the other players to understand your character's personality better, such as why your character would react in certain ways towards certain things because of past experiences or trauma, yeah.

Regarding stereotypes, there's nothing wrong with stereotypes. Just like with cliches and tropes, stereotypes are there because each and every single person have their own opinions towards certain things and people, and it's natural for us to judge others as this is greatly affected by personal beliefs and values - vice versa, we would start to act in certain ways to try and conform to some social rules in order to fit in, whether intentional or not. However, people should understand that stereotypes is only a small part of a person's personality, and does not completely define who they are. A person's personality is more complicated than shoving them into a stereotype category and thinking that it can explain all about your character. That's just lazy and pure bullshit.

Anyway... sounds like this player you're talking about is a troll. XD

[Dion]

@tsukune Fair point, I suppose that it has to do more with how you define the word. Which, arguably, you're also right in, in the sense that writing something like 'he's generally happy' is more of an indicator that he's happy go lucky, and not an actual trait. Kind of like how writing 'he's an adult' doesn't reveal his age, but says he's at least 18.

It implies something but doesn't say it. I suppose that's where my mix up was.

I hate writing personalities, anyway, because for me the way my character acts usually depends on how I personally feel that day a lot, as well as established ticks and history of that character. It seems to be like setting myself up for failure to comply with a personality. :/

[Witch Cat]

Tbh, people who can't take a hint can go choke.

I get it, sometimes it's understandable and/or bearable. But I mean, when you're forcing my character to hook up with your character even after I tell you on multiple occasions to stop, then I won't shed a tear if you get hit by a bus.

[Chao]

@Witch Cat EXACTLY!

Some people just try to passive-aggressively force their character to be your character's lover. It's just like raping somebody's character without given the permission to do so.

Also:

People who have a problem with you, and try to kill off your character without caring what you say.

I get you don't like me, and hate my character as well. But come on, you're just being petty.

[Rin]

Some people just try to passive-aggressively force their character to be your character's lover.

@Chaotic Chao

Eh, if they keep doing that it's usually time to try and play things a bit more realistically and have your character react by finding them creepy at best, or more likely like some obsessive deranged lunatic.

[Witch Cat]

OH AND YOU KNOW WHAT I HATE EVEN MORE????????? People who take control over your characters without permission. Like, I get it, sometimes you slip up and say some stuff my character didn't do, but when you're taking over my character and making him ogle over your Marty Sue so you can get your yoai fix, or kill them off without warning because you don't like my characters, or even just put words in their mouths. Then you really need to stop roleplaying until you learn some common etiquette.

[NuttsnBolts]

So scratching my brain and trying to think what has been nothing me lately... and to be honest, everything is going swell.

Got a couple of RPs I've started recently, some really good feedback, and although one RP I'm in is in a hiatus, it's not the end of the world.

Only real concern, that I killed quickly, was a 1x1 that started with shithouse grammar. This was pre-teens grammar. No captials, no full stops, repetative words and simple explinations.

But other than that... nothing from me for once.

[AtlasRedfox]

@Witch Cat Unfortunately there seems to be a problem with Rp etiquette (even general etiquette) or lack there of on this site.... That's just my opinion anyway

[Lady Absinthia]

@AtlasRedfox Yeah, well you aren't alone with that opinion. Trust me, it is severely lacking around here. (Why I wrote a guide but you know the ones that need to read it never do.)

[tsukune]

@AtlasRedfox@Lady Amalthea

Well, you can say that the lack of proper etiquette is a severe problem not just on this site, but the entire cyberspace, even IRL, the whole world.

Because everyone just expects people to respect them, but they never bother to give the same respect to other people.

/shrugs

(Not saying you guys by the way, but a lot of people are like that.)

I've met my fair share of assholes in RPs. I simply ignore them completely because they ain't worth my time and effort to give a fuck about their retarded existence.

[HalfOfLancelot]

I get really peeved by any argument that prefaces, "Why are you bringing [RL Instance; i.e. culture, law, society] into this?" and usually it's using modern knowledge within a fantasy setting. Things like, possibly physics or a culture. Yes, I understand we're writing fiction here, but that doesn't immediately discount all the laws of physics just because magic is suddenly a factor. Or that any inspiration drawn from the real world suddenly has no meaning anymore because we're in a fantasy world.

The one that ticks me off the most, though, is things concerning Earth culture used and compared to anything fictional that's not set on Earth, specifically. A fantasy world, just for clarity's sake. It's this idea that we have to suddenly separate the two, when in fact, that's impossible to do without completely rewriting physics, words, language, society, laws, etc. It's contradictory. But, also, it disregards the fact that all works of fiction have drawn heavily upon what's in the real world (themes, organizations, entire cultures, past empires, etc.). You'll play a video game set in a fantasy world, and you'll have distinct reminders of the real one because the artists, the writers, the entire team drew inspiration from real world instances. You'll watch a fantasy show/movie like Game of Thrones and connect the dots between fantasy nations and real ones, laws, customs, etc. All of which give the material a relatability and make things quite a lot easier to understand. Makes it digestible to your audience without having to constantly go on a long soliloquy or make monologues about certain aspects of your story.

An instance I've had with a particular roleplayer had been one where they took the time to create these fantasy countries for their RP and I'd pointed something out concerning a certain character's race (the country he was from in question was the equivalent of Africa [you know: desert, Savannah, Serengeti, equatorial, lots of sun], yet the character was white as fallen snow while still being a native, which struck me as mega odd). Long story short, I respectfully made mention of this and used a lovely gif to diffuse any possible aggressiveness from the post, if there was any - there likely was, I can be problematic sometimes, I admit that. Shortly after, my intelligence had been put into question because I used a real world culture and compared it to their fantasy world. It boggled my mind because the inspiration is there, clear as day, it's drawn from a real world source, the guy even detailed which cultures it was based upon and inspired by. Yet, it makes no sense to compare the two?

So you're just gonna completely cut ties with realism because it doesn't take place on Earth? I don't see how that disqualifies someone from drawing comparisons. Without that inspiration there, it would cease to exist. You can make a vast sci-fi, alien empire, completely original to you, and there's still going to be some inkling of inspiration in there that makes it relatable to your audience - why is every alien humanoid in so much shit? So the general/common audience can relate to them better and the product is more profitable, whether by money or by views/hits or by likes. And people are still going to relate that to real world countries and empires because they're similar, because that's where you likely drew your source of inspiration from. So discrediting that entire process by saying, "Why are you bringing the real world into this," is one big heaping pile of horseshit.

It's just such a big pet peeve of mine because I adore using cultures, countries, people as inspiration for various parts of my characters and my roleplays. I love researching and learning more about something through my writing process and discrediting that entire thing makes it all seem almost worthless. It's a fantasy world, but there's always that specific thing that grounds the audience and makes the material believable, compelling, and more digestible. Writing is very akin to escapism, especially here, but there's a lot of beauty you can draw from the real world if you take the time to look at it. And if you take the time to recognize it.

If there's ever an instance where someone argues against the material that I'm writing. Specifically background information, I will never preface my argument with, "Why are we bringing the real world into this?" because that means, to me, I've already lost the argument and lose any credibility from therein. Anything I say after that might as well be garbage.

/rant

(it's just something i wanted to make clear because i've been seeing a lot of this lately. the most recent one was in a demigod roleplay and suddenly realism has no place in the RP if we're talking about children of Gods; i understand there has to be some kind of suspension of belief, but... come on, it's still set on earth. you still have to adhere to logic when you're playing a character that's powerful, but not all powerful. in fact you still have to adhere to logic, no matter what, because if not, we're just writing nonsense - there's a place for that and it's usually in a specific, small niche genre (i.e. the only thing that comes to mind is Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy or Futurama))

[Gelatinous Cube]

I don't know what happened around here, but I remember a time where things actually happened. Nowadays even if I can find an interesting game to join, I don't because I know it will take at least two months for the GM to finish faffing around and start the damn thing, only for all those people who were sooooooo keeeeeeeeen to just "mysteriously" disappear.

Now, to a small group of people who I am involved in RP's with (this doesn't apply to anybody still involved in 'War Never Changes', you guys are dedicated as fuck), this may seem like a real dig at you. If you feel that way...then, shit, I don't know, maybe it is.

I've just had it with GM's that give excuse after excuse about why their IC isn't up, GM's that say "alright, IC will be up tomorrow!" and then disappear for days on end and players who act really excited and make great characters and then just plain don't post.
I get that things happen in people's lives that cut them off from the site, but we all know that isn't the case 100% of the time and that the vast majority of you flakes have no excuse.

This must seem rather hostile, but I've been sitting on this issue for days now and I'm really over it. I've been a member of this site going back to one of it's earlier iterations dating back to around 2005 or 2006. I think the layout of the current site is great, and it's really well figured out and it's intuitive for new people to find their ways around and above all it's just plain tidy. But the people just used to be so much better, and way more reliable.

[The Elvenqueen]

I've just had it with GM's that give excuse after excuse about why their IC isn't up, GM's that say "alright, IC will be up tomorrow!" and then disappear for days on end and players who act really excited and make great characters and then just plain don't post.
I get that things happen in people's lives that cut them off from the site, but we all know that isn't the case 100% of the time and that the vast majority of you flakes have no excuse.

This must seem rather hostile, but I've been sitting on this issue for days now and I'm really over it. I've been a member of this site going back to one of it's earlier iterations dating back to around 2005 or 2006. I think the layout of the current site is great, and it's really well figured out and it's intuitive for new people to find their ways around and above all it's just plain tidy. But the people just used to be so much better, and way more reliable.

@Gelatinous Cube

Hey now, you can't have a dig at people and say that their real life circumstances 'probably haven't changed' and call them lazy. Damn, they could have a sick relative they have to take care of, or maybe they have to work overtime to actually you know, pay their bills or something; maybe they're really ill or have had to take a break from the site to avoid stress or deal with personal issues. We're all here because we like to roleplay and as much as we'd all LIKE to be here 24/7 and do nothing but reply to posts it doesn't happen that way, man.

You don't know what's going on in other people's lives and it's not really fair of you to make a judgement like that just because you want replies to your roleplays XD

[Gelatinous Cube]

I appreciate your position on this, but don't tell me what I can and can't do, please. I'm using the thread as it was intended, and I am fully aware that what I posted will ruffle some feathers.
I acknowledged that people have legitimate reasons for being away for a long time, and obviously what I wrote wasn't targeted at them. However, I've seen way too many people who I have been in active roleplays with post up brand new interest checks looking for new games while it's been a week with nothing from them. I'm not calling anyone lazy, I'm calling them flaky and unreliable.

Also, I'd like to point out I'm sticking up for other people's roleplays. I haven't posted one of my own in a long time, so this is absolutely not an issue of me getting upset that nobody is posting in "my roleplays XD".

[The Elvenqueen]

@Gelatinous Cube "your roleplays" was not intended as referring to those you had specifically created. It was meant as "any roleplay you are a part of and waiting on a response for"

Secondly I wasn't directly trying to 'tell you what to do'. I was pointing out that you came off as hella insensitive by saying what you did the way you did, it came off as "yeah sometimes shit goes wrong but it cant be THAT bad, you're just flaking and not posting for no good reason and it pisses me off" without knowing what's going on in that persons life right now. Clearly there has been a misunderstanding on both sides and I apologise for my part in that and I never intended to