Let's B!tch. I feel it's a healthy release for our roleplay annoyances 2.0

[Mixtape Ghost N]

@Mr Allen J I had no idea that was a popular theme.

@BrokenPromise

Yeah, like this has been going on since oldguild. Every school/camp/hodgepodge with Gods? All Greek.

What about Egyptian Gods? Or Norse???

[ScreenAcne]

I don't like...motherfucking. loss of lip leaping. You know.

Like. It really pulls my pucker to the fucker who gets all tuckered when I ain't playing peter parker with their powers. Motherfucking. nothing more to move your moss down hill than when you're in an RP and a guy just suddenly drops after you post. I don't run into that alot in my race around the writing, but it's happen once or twice, especially when I was all pimples and pheromones and I'm like.

Motherfucking. move some letters in my direction my comrade of the keyboard code. If my shit is sullying your sanctuary that much we can swap a secret or two and move that poo down the loo.

[BrokenPromise]

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Yeah, like this has been going on since oldguild. Every school/camp/hodgepodge with Gods? All Greek.

What about Egyptian Gods? Or Norse???

@Mr Allen J

or Aztec, or Celtic, or Chinese.

No but like, I didn't realize that gods going to school was a thing. I thought that was niche enough that you wouldn't have enough RPs to worry about things like that.

The more you know...

[SleepingSilence]

The most pointless and mildest vent I have to muster.

How else can I put this without sounding elitist or snobby and make this seem like this came from a place beside having nothing better to do? But, I've been noticing throughout most RP's I'm joining. I'm catching a lot of typo's and mistakes that could be easily corrected through a single spellcheck run. Sure it won't correct the difference between 'then' and 'than'. It won't say that you have misused commas. Neither will it figure out your sentence structure is beyond confusing with big words just for the sake of it, or trying to come off as poetic but it ends up being an awkward mouthful to say aloud...But it will correct simple writing mistakes.

So why does no one seem to use it? :I

That's what I've been pondering, because I know my writing ends up being flawed or overly wordy even after several looks and corrections. So it kills me seeing people acting so lazy. But I thought maybe other than examples given to me and my luck. Maybe it's better elsewhere, so having nothing better to do while listening to music. I decided to just go in the advanced section of this forum, went through EXACTLY twenty RP's. Went to a random page, usually the first or last. To see if I'd even need to search another page before I found easy mistakes.

Took an average of 3 searches (posts), before at least finding one mistaken typo at best and nearly a dozen obvious mistakes at worst. This did NOT take me that long, to find errors in literally everything I looked through. And yes, this was ignoring people "speling lik ths" in speech bubbles, but I do question how unrealistic it would be in a real life setting. But I digress. And the fact that everyone here is apparently from the U.K or something. Plausible different spellings not included. (I'm also pretty sure I got it from 20 different people.)

I'm not even the person that cares that much about mistakes in writing or inconsistencies in general. But I really do question how many roleplayers are actually rereading what they typed. I can logically see how other readers wouldn't notice and like the posts anyway. Because as long as it's close your brain fixes mistakes, but seriously some of this stuff can be discovered immediately with little effort.

Oh no, I'm becoming the person I hate. I'm not a grammar nazi, I swear. *hides* >.<

[Lalliman]

@SleepingSilence I see my posts as something that I have to put a one-time effort into, and is then displayed on the internet indefinitely, for a potentially infinite amount of people to see. (Keyword is potential.) As such, I go out of my way to make them as high-quality as possible. But a lot of people don't seem to think like that. I imagine they see it as just part of a conversation, a fire-and-forget piece of text that they'll never have to worry about again once it's posted. From that perspective, I can understand why they wouldn't want to put any more quality control into their posts than they would put into a text message. I don't like it, but I can understand it. Still strange that you found this even in the advanced section though.

[The Harbinger of Ferocity]

I have to view this issue with similar complaint.

If you are going to be writing a post, at least in the high casual to advance tiers, I sort of assume you have a basic grasp of spellcheck and at least the respect to correctly write the names of the other characters in the roleplay. If you have repeatedly, several times over no less, failed to do this then it is nothing short of neglect. It speaks to a level of incompetence and disregard that irks me personally. Why? Because it is one thing to just have terrible grammar or be verbose - two things I am guilty of, namely because I never actually learned how to write in English - but it is another to utterly fail at the most basic levels, to include respect and effort for others.

Yes, I accept typing on a phone almost universally erodes post quality for a myriad of reasons, but if you are still incapable of spelling every few words correctly and always getting a character's name wrong in it, you are either doing it on purpose to spite the other members or you just do not care. If it is the former, you brought that on yourself. If it is the latter, why are you in a roleplay you do not care about? See yourself out so that we are not constantly berating you for your laziness in posting and inability to spell the same character's name every post. As another note I might add, it is not even my character that is subject to this; I have no personal stake or bone to pick.

Terribly frustrating, also the same individual who posts every four days, which is the story's maximum limit, and never poses a solution to the problems I bring up out-of-character about how portions of the game are being run mechanically. Perhaps I just have ongoing misfortune in this category, but I have never seen more careless roleplayers.

[Bishop]

@The Harbinger of Ferocity Wait wait wait wait wait a min. I clearly remember you typing lik a kid in chatt bout 1-to-2 yeahs ago. Wat hapend bud. Gru up so fast?!?!

_{Or I have clearly mistaken you for someone else.}

[The Harbinger of Ferocity]

@Bishop, there was another user by the name of "The Harbinger" who perhaps you have mistaken me for. At no point ever have I typed that way unironically or other than in sample, let alone in any of the chatrooms on the Roleplayer Guild or elsewhere.

[Bishop]

@The Harbinger of Ferocity Lol you're right. I remember now. My apologies oh Great Aslan.

On another note, I just utterly DESPISE the GM/Co-Gms who require at least* 2 paragraphs of personality. I mean what the fck man? You want us to write real life event simulations and describe how we handle them? If we wanna show the personality of our characters we do it IC.
And the best part is, these types of people are the ones who say nothing, probably forgot, when the role-player gets out of their character's personality depiction as written in their CS.

[mickilennial]

@The Harbinger of Ferocity Lol you're right. I remember now. My apologies oh Great Aslan.

On another note, I just utterly DESPISE the GM/Co-Gms who require at least* 2 paragraphs of personality. I mean what the fck man? You want us to write real life event simulations and describe how we handle them? If we wanna show the personality of our characters we do it IC.
And the best part is, these types of people are the ones who say nothing, probably forgot, when the role-player gets out of their character's personality depiction as written in their CS.

@Bishop

It is a good measure of measuring writing ability, characterization, and player competence in my experience.

[Bishop]

@Inkarnate Writing ability and player competence can be equally measured by reading the bio. A good roleplayer also includes some personality traits in the bio. And one short paragraph, according to me, should be MORE than enough to measure someone's characterization ability. I mean, better 1 sentence with the key aspects of the character than 3 paragraphs being only fluff while less than a sentence actually adds something essential to the character.

[Ammokkx]

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It is a good measure of measuring writing ability, characterization, and player competence in my experience.

@Inkarnate

I disagree. Two paragraph personality is needless when you can sum it up in about a sentence or two, which is my modus operandi. I'm not the shining example of keeping things short and concise, but I always find it to be a positive if you can get to the point quickly and efficiently while still making it read nice. It's the same with biographies for me- I usually manage to crank out three paragraphs on it, wrapping up everything that makes my character who they are pretty nicely. When someone asks me for more, I don't really add anything meaningful- I'm just adding in prose and needless detail to up the word count.

...And with that entire paragraph, I mean to say that someone who can be concise can still be competent and even word-y in the IC. Being overly specific with personality feels like you're just adding in detail to up the word count and doesn't actually add anything to the core idea.

EDIT: Case in point, Bishop made my point with less words than I did -w-'

[mickilennial]

I will expand on this point in admitting that I’ve moved away from using elaborate personality descriptions as a GM and as a player. I write list of traits unless I’m in the mood to describe every facet of the psychology and ideology of my character’s emotions and actions – which is a mood that I am not often in because it wastes my time. I’m here to write posts and role-play, I’m not here to spend several weeks on a CS for an experiment that won’t last for more than two months.

Though, I don't agree that one paragraph is enough in detailing a character's backstory. That's just flat out wrong to me.

[Bishop]

One major thing which people write in their personality section pertaining to their character is... let me give an example:
"If you approach him she will give you a death glare" or "If you try to help him, his pride won't let him and he will refuse you harshly"
I mean, bhich pls, why type that? Let us experience IC. By showing us this, it's like allowing us to meta game to your character's good side.

@Inkarnate Depends how long the paragraph is, it could be a large wall of text LOL
I did that in one RP, once I separated it, it turned out to be 7 short paragraphs. Everything changes with perspective.

[mickilennial]

A paragraph =/= A wall of text with improper grammar and formatting

[Bishop]

@Inkarnate The grammar was proper... I ran it through google spellcheck engine.

And OMG up until now I saw your profile image pick as One Punch Man. Thought the blind face was the shaven head.

[mickilennial]

Honestly, I only keep personality sections as a way to protect my collaborative projects from writers with paper-thin characterization; people who lean towards making “edgelords” and other problematic types. If I were more confident and trusting with everyone and anyone on RPG I would probably void a CS entirely. I understand there are a lot of perspectives and preferences – but I find the most engaging writers the ones who can describe things extensively. This is not to say I am anti-minimalist, as some writers pull the Hemmingway-esque slant quite well, but I just gravitate towards the honest effort that more detailed writers happen to exercise.

[Bishop]

Well in the end, it all depends on what the writer itself put on their CS. If they know how to, they can adapt to the requirements and have a very good personality description. But me, as myself I never read the personality. I find it pointless but I see that it holds a purpose to the Gm/Co-gm ALTHOUGH I still think that more than one paragraph in the personality section is overkill but to each their own.

[mickilennial]

A human being's personality cannot be summarized in one paragraph; nor can their personal life experiences and backstory. If you believe elsewise I imagine we would not be compatible writers in the slightest.

[The Elvenqueen]

If I were more confident and trusting with everyone and anyone on RPG I would probably void a CS entirely.

@Inkarnate

This. I largely prefer doing this with a good partner/set of partner (s) over having to fill in a CS. Is it because I'm lazy, or that I hate CS's or I don't want to characterise my OCs? Nooooo!
But rather because I hate being obligated to stick to that character sheet precisely, for the entire duration of the RP. Especially those ones where they demand multi-para personalities. It's all very well and good to summarise a characters thoughts and beliefs but if I have to spell out every single aspect in several paragraphs then I often find myself purple prosing for the sake of length/word count and that is quite...painful, for lack of a better term. I am then also restricted to having that character only act that way because that's what is in the bio/CS....What about character growth during the RP which then changes the way my character acts and perceives the world through events they have been through with or without their companions? There's less freedom to do that I feel, when you have to keep to what you've put in the CS.

I prefer to give a brief summary, such as a list of a few traits and maybe a few sentences to a paragraph that summarises how the traits come together to form their personality, and then let them speak for themselves in the IC. A lack of CS or lack of detail in a bio does not always equal a lackluster author or a lack of thought into the character. Sometimes it's just more fun to let things unfold as the RP goes. Where would all the fun be if I revealed to you their entire back story before it came up in the IC? it takes away half the excitement because it takes away the "shock" factor of me revealing something IC that you weren't expecting because you already knew it would happen when I had to reveal it in the CS.