[OOC] Myriad Reality

[DarkwolfX37]

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It's actually extremely high.

@Nimda

Not so much so that it gives us physical strength after chasing prey so that we can murder them without a tool. :/

[DarkwolfX37]

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It's actually extremely high.

@Nimda

Not so much so that it gives us physical strength after chasing prey so that we can murder them without a tool. :/

Here's my insight: Human beings have a natural tendency to be in control, whether it be of themselves, others, "fate," etc. This is evident through claustrophobia, leadership, and the fear of the unknown. The latter is especially important because it holds many implications; we know it to be true because knowledge allows us to gain greater control, and if we have no knowledge, we have absolutely no control over our situations and futures, particularly because we can't plan accordingly. This leads to submission throughout the world, and a desire to be controlled by some, because they desire a leader who does know, because that is less risky and allows them to be in more control than attempting to do so themselves. Because of this desire for control over others, humans have to find a way to force this to occur. This cannot happen from an intellectual standpoint because they cannot guarantee the other will comply or even agree (considering the average intelligence of a human), adding yet another variable beyond their grasp. However, there is one concept that prevents a human from being able to escape the control of another: death. Therefore, humans fight and are drawn toward fighting because it allows them to express both their own strength, limiting defiance, but the better fighter they are, the more likely it is that they are able to inflict death upon their enemies, and control those who stand in their way.

@Legend

Oh, so Aizen's approach. Totally forgot about that.

[DarkwolfX37]

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I like it. And it stems from pride, too. A very clever teacher of mine once said that all sins, and even many negative emotions all stem from pride as a source.

@Mammalia

That's why it's the highest of the seven sins in those that count the seven as special.

[DarkwolfX37]

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I think that's just light. The character this pic was ripped from probably wouldn't blush.

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I disagree. Greed is also a source that has nothing to do with pride.

@Legend

Also one of the seven, so doesn't count. But it can be argued that greed comes from pride. "I want these things because I deserve them inherently. I deserve everything."

[DarkwolfX37]

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You're looking at it too deeply. We always fight for peace, everyone, but the reason why we fight instead of taking obvious easier methods is because if what I'm talking about. I'm not saying that one side advocates for peace and one for chaos cosciously or intentionally, but the fact that fighting is what is always resorted to when the need to solve a problem arises suggests an internal inclination toward chaos.

@Unhinged

You're arguing from a binary position. To counterpoint, the subjective evil position is that everyone believes what they are doing is good, with VERY few exceptions, and that leads to what others or even the same person considers evil. For example, killing in the name of a deity. Obviously they believe they're doing good, even if they find killing to be evil, and others view it as evil, so the opposing goods conflict.

[Unhinged]

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Also one of the seven, so doesn't count. But it can be argued that greed comes from pride. "I want these things because I deserve them inherently. I deserve everything."

@DarkwolfX37

Seems conditional rather than a universal case.

[DarkwolfX37]

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Seems conditional rather than a universal case.

@Unhinged

If it's anything else, it's not "greed," per se.

[DarkwolfX37]

btw what we've slid into is one of my fav topics so please continue.

[Mammalia]

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Also one of the seven, so doesn't count. But it can be argued that greed comes from pride. "I want these things because I deserve them inherently. I deserve everything."

@DarkwolfX37

That seems like there are conditions that don't work with that idea, but I can't put my finger on any of them. It probably requires a strict definition of greed first.

[Unhinged]

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You're arguing from a binary position. To counterpoint, the subjective evil position is that everyone believes what they are doing is good, with VERY few exceptions, and that leads to what others or even the same person considers evil. For example, killing in the name of a deity. Obviously they believe they're doing good, even if they find killing to be evil, and others view it as evil, so the opposing goods conflict.

@DarkwolfX37

I believe you're actually agreeing with what I'm saying. What I'm trying to say at least. Order is what everyone works toward, but the means by which it is achieved or by which people try to achieve it lead to more chaos which contradicts their intentions.

[Legend]

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Oh, true. I can't think of a way to rationalise greed as coming from pride without huge leaps in logic.

@Mammalia

Greed, Pride, and Lust, actually.

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You're looking at it too deeply. We always fight for peace, everyone, but the reason why we fight instead of taking obvious easier methods is because if what I'm talking about. I'm not saying that one side advocates for peace and one for chaos cosciously or intentionally, but the fact that fighting is what is always resorted to when the need to solve a problem arises suggests an internal inclination toward chaos.

@Unhinged

Prism.

[Legend]

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Also one of the seven, so doesn't count. But it can be argued that greed comes from pride. "I want these things because I deserve them inherently. I deserve everything."

@DarkwolfX37

"I want this because it will make me happy. More = better." Lust: "I want to feel pleasure." All evil comes from these three sins.

[DarkwolfX37]

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"I want this because it will make me happy. More = better." Lust: "I want to feel pleasure." All evil comes from these three sins.

@Legend

Seven.
Sloth - I don't care what I need to do, I won't do it.
Envy - I want that because they have it.
Pride - I am better than you.
Lust - I want to feel good.
Greed - I want everything. More is always better.
Wrath - I don't like that. I'll get rid of it.
Gluttony - I need more to be satisfied.

There's a reason those seven are considered the top ones.

[Legend]

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Seven.
Sloth - I don't care what I need to do, I won't do it.
Envy - I want that because they have it.
Pride - I am better than you.
Lust - I want to feel good.
Greed - I want everything. More is always better.
Wrath - I don't like that. I'll get rid of it.
Gluttony - I need more to be satisfied.

There's a reason those seven are considered the top ones.

@DarkwolfX37

I know of the seven deadly sins, but they're not supported biblically. The Bible says that Greed, Lust, and Pride are the sources of all evil.

[Mammalia]

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Seven.
Sloth - I don't care what I need to do, I won't do it.
Envy - I want that because they have it.
Pride - I am better than you.
Lust - I want to feel good.
Greed - I want everything. More is always better.
Wrath - I don't like that. I'll get rid of it.
Gluttony - I need more to be satisfied.

There's a reason those seven are considered the top ones.

@DarkwolfX37

Gluttony and wrath can both be traced back to selfishness, which itself can be traced back to pride.

[Legend]

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Gluttony and wrath can both be traced back to selfishness, which itself can be traced back to pride.

@Mammalia

I highly disagree. The Bible even says that greed is a root to all kinds of evil. What is a root? The base, something that doesn't connect downward.

[Mammalia]

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I highly disagree. The Bible even says that greed is a root to all kinds of evil. What is a root? The base, something that doesn't connect downward.

@Legend

I didn't say greed?

[Legend]

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I didn't say greed?

@Mammalia

Perhaps I misinterpreted. I understood "selfishness" as greed.

[Mammalia]

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Perhaps I misinterpreted. I understood "selfishness" as greed.

@Legend

Nah. When I say selfishness I mean focus on self, which is why I direct it to pride.

[Legend]

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Nah. When I say selfishness I mean focus on self, which is why I direct it to pride.

@Mammalia

Fair enough.