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DarkwolfX37 said
You're not following the progression. Apply that verse the the one before it.


The faith spoken about in your second verse is specifically the saving faith. Faith that Jesus has saved you and that you will be going to Heaven is worthless unless you do works, also. The faith spoken about in your first verse is faith as a whole, faith that God will provide.
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How convenient, the sermon we were watching today spoke about those exact verses. To be angry at someone in your heart is counted for as murder. One of the reasons for this is that it's like killing the person inside your heart. God takes anger very seriously.


Which is ironic for the obvious reasons. The biggest thing that has to be proved here is that god cannot be held to his own standards. If he can, then he fails miserably, in which case he is not perfectly good. You can still worship him, and still claim that perhaps Yeshua still is perfectly good, but YHVH isn't. The other option is that god cannot be held to his own standards, in which case there is no reason to follow them as he doesn't take them seriously enough to follow them himself. The whole "lead by example" thing.It also gets into the ethics of robotics. Are the creations lesser than the creator even though the creations can objectively surpass the creator at some point, or are they equals because they can achieve the same? So on and so forth.
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DarkwolfX37 said
Which is ironic for the obvious reasons. The biggest thing that has to be proved here is that god cannot be held to his own standards. If he can, then he fails miserably, in which case he is not perfectly good. You can still worship him, and still claim that perhaps Yeshua still is perfectly good, but YHVH isn't. The other option is that god cannot be held to his own standards, in which case there is no reason to follow them as he doesn't take them seriously enough to follow them himself. The whole "lead by example" thing.It also gets into the ethics of robotics. Are the creations lesser than the creator even though the creations can objectively surpass the creator at some point, or are they equals because they can achieve the same? So on and so forth.


Except we can't, God is superior always, and you're far too blind to recognize that he follows his own moral standards.
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The faith spoken about in your second verse is specifically the saving faith. Faith that Jesus has saved you and that you will be going to Heaven is worthless unless you do works, also. The faith spoken about in your first verse is faith as a whole, faith that God will provide.


Because a tree that bears no fruits will be cut down. If you have nothing to show for your labour, no change whatsoever, you don't truly have faith.
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You are corrupt. Although at the same time, all of us are. Not really. It's a boss that ignores the code when you hit him and goes "Nope. Try again." And them uses the same attack pattern every time.


So then you should probably follow the whole "don't judge" and "don't preach" parts of the bible, huh?
And no, it's more that I'm not letting you go against your own parameters. You can't claim something that doesn't hold up.

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Not in anger, but in turning away from evil. You're close enough.


Except you totally are doing it out of anger. You can claim otherwise all you want, but you know you are.
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DarkwolfX37 said
Which is ironic for the obvious reasons. The biggest thing that has to be proved here is that god cannot be held to his own standards. If he can, then he fails miserably, in which case he is not perfectly good. You can still worship him, and still claim that perhaps Yeshua still is perfectly good, but YHVH isn't. The other option is that god cannot be held to his own standards, in which case there is no reason to follow them as he doesn't take them seriously enough to follow them himself. The whole "lead by example" thing.It also gets into the ethics of robotics. Are the creations lesser than the creator even though the creations can objectively surpass the creator at some point, or are they equals because they can achieve the same? So on and so forth.


David is right, you keep using the exact same arguments even though he's already disproved those statements countless times. It's useless to argue with you. I guess I know why the sermon I watched was also about avoiding conflict, and my Bible Study on Friday was about avoiding conflict, and how mum's devotion yesterday (the one with the verse about the tongue) was about avoiding conflict.

... Yup, I'm stopping right now. *poof*
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whizzball1 said
The faith spoken about in your second verse is specifically the saving faith. Faith that Jesus has saved you and that you will be going to Heaven is worthless unless you do works, also. The faith spoken about in your first verse is faith as a whole, faith that God will provide.


Ah. See now THAT was a salient point.
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Except we can't, God is superior always, and you're far too blind to recognize that he follows his own moral standards.


Except he clearly isn't. If he can't even follow his own first set commandments, then he pretty clearly isn't following his own standards. I have no problem with that. What I have a problem with is "omnibenevolent" while also being omnihypocritical.
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David is right, you keep using the exact same arguments even though he's already disproved those statements countless times. It's useless to argue with you. I guess I know why the sermon I watched was also about avoiding conflict, and my Bible Study on Friday was about avoiding conflict, and how mum's devotion yesterday (the one with the verse about the tongue) was about avoiding conflict.... Yup, I'm stopping right now. *poof*


... To top that off, the book I was reading yesterday and the day before that was also about avoiding conflict...

Guys, I might just be wrong, but I have the strangest feeling that God's trying to tell me something.
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whizzball1 said
David is right, you keep using the exact same arguments even though he's already disproved those statements countless times. It's useless to argue with you. I guess I know why the sermon I watched was also about avoiding conflict, and my Bible Study on Friday was about avoiding conflict, and how mum's devotion yesterday (the one with the verse about the tongue) was about avoiding conflict.... Yup, I'm stopping right now. *poof*


*Sigh* If you consider "god is perfectly good no matter what you say" with no evidence in support of it as "proving me wrong", then you should never enter a debate for a totally different reason than you're thinking of.
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Spiritblitz said
Was Storm's husband Dark?


Anyway, think for yourself and all that.






And then you have the whole "well, which christianity is right" even if you ignore all the other religions and their equal possibility of being true as christianity does, you've got this:


Anyway, good luck, nice life, eat your vegetables, all that jazz. Bye.
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DarkwolfX37 said
So then you should probably follow the whole "don't judge" and "don't preach" parts of the bible, huh?And no, it's more that I'm not letting you go against your own parameters. You can't claim something that doesn't hold up.Except you totally are doing it out of anger. You can claim otherwise all you want, but you know you are.


When it does perfectly. I'm coding right now, so let's use that analogy. Let's say that the code, at first glance, doesn't make sense. You see a statement that's untrue, which should halt a loop, but the loop keeps going. "Why does this keep looping?" You don't understand by any means. The continue statement should go back to the top of the loop when activated, but it just does the same thing without changing the results each loop. Suddenly, you see that the while statement is always true, which continues the loop. Then you see that the variables, once looped, cause the continue statement to restart the loop. But the continue will activate itself, because the conditions are permanently fulfilled. "Oh, so as long as I don't mess with this, the code should be fine. If I forge a path towards it, I'll get stuck in the loop." You try altering the code to erase the loop, but then nothing works at all. Everything effects everything else, just like in God's word, and the world. You may not understand it, or why a loop was even put there in the first place, but if you only see a portion of the code, the main file, the Word, you still have no idea what lies beyond, within the specific and greater plan, the class files. You can only see what has been revealed to you, and if you look for issues in code that works, changing anything can result in it crashing, and simply running it will display the outcome, but whatever issues appear aren't truly issues, but a lack in your own understanding. You can't see every extension of code, but you can see where the main class accesses them. And you have to go by faith that those other files work correctly, because when you or other people run it, the final outcome is always correct.
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DarkwolfX37 said
You may as well join in, this is practically the final boss fight of the first game. Sure it's not the most difficult one, but there's still an insta kill in here, and it'll probably be the last time, according to David with his "you are not welcome here" thing.


Well, consider me a supporting character who wasn't present at the end if the game.
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gtg, watching a movie
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gtg, watching a movie


What movie? And bye.
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*sighs*
This is why I wished that we left religion out of this site and keep it to ourselves. It causes fighting and stupid arguments that lead to the destruction of this RP. IC and OOC.
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*sighs*This is why I wished that we left religion out of this site and keep it to ourselves. It causes fighting and stupid arguments that lead to the destruction of this RP. IC and OOC.


I don't really see what it destroyed. And religion was only a problem when someone felt like tearing us all down through it. Besides, I won't "keep it to myself," because by proclaiming it, I may save someone.
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Etcetera said
I don't really see what it destroyed. And religion was only a problem when someone felt like tearing us all down through it. Besides, I won't "keep it to myself," because by proclaiming it, I may save someone.


Well....
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Alright. I can't stop you. Even if I could, I wouldn't.
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Well.... *sigh*Alright. I can't stop you. Even if I could, I wouldn't.


Just tell me what you're thinking. I don't like people holding things back. But for the most part, we all agree on religious aspects, to my knowledge.
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So much easier to save people IRL than over the interwebz. So. Much. Easier.
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