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So I decided that I would compose a list of all the conditions that would have to be met for life to form out of non-life according to the evolutionary perspective, just in case I ever encounter someone talking about it on the internet:In order for life to possibly form from non-life, when the lightning struck:A sufficient amount of amino acids would have to be formed (countless)All amino acids would have to be either right or left-handed (experiments produce both)All the right proteins would have to be formed (countless)For each protein to be formed, odds of over 4 quadrilion to one would have to be overcomeAll the right proteins must form the various parts of the cell (each of which are very complex)All of this must happen all at onceAll of this must happen with everything forming in exactly the right placesThere should be no left-over proteins or amino acids that could poison the cellThe cell must find foodThe cell must survive an atmosphere that is poisonous to it (the cell speculated to be the first cell wasn't fit for its environment)


First, you're assuming things that aren't necessarily what happened. So, in order:
Not true.*
>Not well enough informed on the subject to talk about<
Not true in the slightest.**
This severely underestimates the number of... well, THINGS, if you consider this a deterring factor.
Not true at all.**
Absolutely not true.***
Not the case at all.**
Not true.****
This is not a deterring factor.****
Not really the case.*****

*:You're assuming that all first life had to come from a single event. This discounts the fact that there are trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions of events happening every second, and that this would not have to happen in X time period. It most likely took thousands of years just to form the first actual cell. The real likelihood is that a pseudovirus was the first pseudo life, not a cell. Obviously, assuming that these protolife viruses were like modern day viruses, which there is no real reason to believe due to 4.5 billion years of change, they would die quickly until protocells began to come into existence to be a food source.
**: This not only assumes that there was a single event that created all of the required pieces, but also that these pieces would create a cell in an impossibly short period of time and that the cells would be similar to modern day cells, which there is little reason to assume. It also assumes that the pieces would have to become life immediately, which is in no way the case.
***: You're assuming something that there is literally zero reason to assume. This also requires that everything happened from a single event, which is not what anyone thinks was the case.
****: These leftovers were most likely: 1. nowhere near where the life would be once formed, due to the violence of the environment. 2. would potentially be a food source.
**** (con't): You, again, assume that these first lifes were very similar to modern cells, which is not only unlikely but almost definitely not the case.
*****: Unless you're going to claim that the environment would tear apart these first lifes immediately, this is not the case. Firstly, the theory is that it formed within water, somewhat protected by the atmosphere. Not only that, but this assumes that it would be complex enough for the atmosphere to matter.

One sec, I'll give you a better explained version of what science thinks happened.
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First, you're assuming things that aren't necessarily what happened. So, in order:Not true.*>Not well enough informed on the subject to talk about<Not true in the slightest.**This severely underestimates the number of... well, THINGS, if you consider this a deterring factor. Not true at all.**Absolutely not true.***Not the case at all.**Not true.****This is not a deterring factor.****Not really the case.******:You're assuming that all first life had to come from a single event. This discounts the fact that there are trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions of events happening every second, and that this would not have to happen in X time period. It most likely took thousands of years just to form the first actual cell. The real likelihood is that a pseudovirus was the first pseudo life, not a cell. Obviously, assuming that these protolife viruses were like modern day viruses, which there is no real reason to believe due to 4.5 billion years of change, they would die quickly until protocells began to come into existence to be a food source. **: This not only assumes that there was a single event that created all of the required pieces, but also that these pieces would create a cell in an impossibly short period of time and that the cells would be similar to modern day cells, which there is little reason to assume. It also assumes that the pieces would have to become life immediately, which is in no way the case. ***: You're assuming something that there is literally zero reason to assume. This also requires that everything happened from a single event, which is not what anyone thinks was the case. ****: These leftovers were most likely: 1. nowhere near where the life would be once formed, due to the violence of the environment. 2. would potentially be a food source. **** (con't): You, again, assume that these first lifes were very similar to modern cells, which is not only unlikely but almost definitely not the case.*****: Unless you're going to claim that the environment would tear apart these first lifes immediately, this is not the case. Firstly, the theory is that it formed within water, somewhat protected by the atmosphere. Not only that, but this assumes that it would be complex enough for the atmosphere to matter. One sec, I'll give you a better explained version of what science thinks happened.


AHEM.
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Like, this is the very basics abridged into a few paragraphs. It would be best described to you if you read a book on it by Richard Dawkins.
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Etcetera said
AHEM.


NO. FUCK YOU. HE BROUGHT UP A SCIENCE ISSUE THAT WAS COMPLETELY IGNORANT. I'M FUCKING ALLOWED TO CORRECT HIM AND YOU BY EXTENSION.
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DarkwolfX37 said
NO. FUCK YOU. HE BROUGHT UP A SCIENCE ISSUE THAT WAS COMPLETELY IGNORANT. I'M FUCKING ALLOWED TO CORRECT HIM AND YOU BY EXTENSION.


No you're not. We agreed to no debating religion, so no debating religion period.
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He's trying to give me the Miller Urey experiments as evidence.


*facepalm* One of the lectures I was listening to spoke about that. Those experiments didn't even simulate the atmosphere the earth supposedly had when life formed.
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*facepalm* One of the lectures I was listening to spoke about that. Those experiments didn't even simulate the atmosphere the earth supposedly had when life formed.


Exactly. And that the one they "reanalyzed" in 2007 was based off of a volcano's environment that would destroy the life.
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Exactly. And that the one they "reanalyzed" in 2007 was based off of a volcano's environment that would destroy the life.


There was another?
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EVERYONE JUST EAT ICECREAM!!!!!
*shoves a spoonful of icecream down your throats*
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Mammalia said
There was another?


One that they analyzed seven years ago. Here's an article.
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EVERYONE JUST EAT ICECREAM!!!!!*shoves a spoonful of icecream down your throats*


mmmmm
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One that they analyzed seven years ago. an article.


Interesting.
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mmmmmInteresting.


I thought so as well.
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See you guys later.
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See you guys later.


:'(
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I feel something I haven't felt in a long, long time... I feel, I do believe, outcasted.
By everyone I know.
IRP:
I only ever RP in the IC with David and Spirit, when he's here. I never get replies from Soul anymore, and I can only get about for posts each in with Whizz before I stop getting replies, every time. I wouldn't say anything about this if it only happened once, but it's been a couple if months since this started. Since around the time I was saved.
OOC, David and Dark have debated, disputed with and discouraged each other non stop, with nary a way for me to help, stop, end, or support, in any manner.
Blitz leaves every two weeks, and was forced to tears by the carelessness of the way we talk here. This cut my plot short and forced me to dim down a character's end. This wouldn't fit here with the rest at all normally, but it only adds to my sorrow when I think of it.
Whizz and David seem to have developed a relationship in having a high mutual understanding of God, his work, the logic behind him, and... Really everything. This knowledge has formed a blatant bond between them, while Blitz admits he doesn't like the discussions involving religion here, and Dark sits on the opposite end of the extreme. Soul, I have no idea of the manner, but he isn't involved in those conversations either. However, back to my point, this relationship formed because of their understanding of our entire religion, something which I truly lack. This has kind of created a somewhat distant island that I sit on alone; an island of ignorance. Ignorance and willingness to learn more, but not enough time to do so as I'd like. So I stay here, shipwrecked, and I can feel the loneliness setting in more and more, as I'm not able to participate in these conversations.
Ever since I started to show my 100% true personality in the OOC (Around the time I was saved), I can also feel some sort of new force driving everyone's opinion of me in a new direction. I'm no idiot, despite my ability to act like one for entertainment's sake, but I feel that I am no more than a court jester here anymore.

IRL: My dad continues to pelt me with lectures about everything, ranging from blaming me for teachers not giving me my summer assignments before I get out of school, to not doing the dishes by a certain time of day, everyday, to me starting to show anger and sorrow openly due to the way everything in my life has started going south quickly. I feel as though my dad doesn't know how to talk to me without lecturing or fussing at me, which, on top of my mom always working either at work or here on here arts & crafts projects, makes me feel lonely... As though I'm lacking the kind of parents that I need.
My cousins never talk to me anymore. They just cut the line. I used to be such good friends with them...
All of my friends like the same girl now. Every. Stinking. One... Except me. So we let her into our group, and they all herd around her, leaving me by myself most of the day. When I do try to talk to them while they're around her, I'm ignored. Simply ignored. Doesn't matter now though, I guess. School's out.
After all this, I hope you all can realize where this deep inner depression I now have has come from, and that I need some time to set things right in my head before I go so insane that they'll put me in a hospital. I need to not be here for a day or two and just pray. All I want to do. I want to work on my summer work and pray to God, because I've hoped things will fix themselves soon, but they only continue to get worse. And worse. And worse. And worse. And I'm sick of life screwing me over. So, until I come to terms with what my life is now, goodbye, and God bless.
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I feel something I haven't felt in a long, long time... I feel, I do believe, outcasted. By everyone I know.IRP: I only ever RP in the IC with David and Spirit, when he's here. I never get replies from Soul anymore, and I can only get about for posts each in with Whizz before I stop getting replies, every time. I wouldn't say anything about this if it only happened once, but it's been a couple if months since this started. Since around the time I was saved.OOC, David and Dark have debated, disputed with and discouraged each other non stop, with nary a way for me to help, stop, end, or support, in any manner.Blitz leaves every two weeks, and was forced to tears by the carelessness of the way we talk here. This cut my plot short and forced me to dim down a character's end. This wouldn't fit here with the rest at all normally, but it only adds to my sorrow when I think of it.Whizz and David seem to have developed a relationship in having a high mutual understanding of God, his work, the logic behind him, and... Really everything. This knowledge has formed a blatant bond between them, while Blitz admits he doesn't like the discussions involving religion here, and Dark sits on the opposite end of the extreme. Soul, I have no idea of the manner, but he isn't involved in those conversations either. However, back to my point, this relationship formed because of their understanding of our entire religion, something which I truly lack. This has kind of created a somewhat distant island that I sit on alone; an island of ignorance. Ignorance and willingness to learn more, but not enough time to do so as I'd like. So I stay here, shipwrecked, and I can feel the loneliness setting in more and more, as I'm not able to participate in these conversations.Ever since I started to show my 100% true personality in the OOC (Around the time I was saved), I can also feel some sort of new force driving everyone's opinion of me in a new direction. I'm no idiot, despite my ability to act like one for entertainment's sake, but I feel that I am no more than a court jester here anymore.IRL: My dad continues to pelt me with lectures about everything, ranging from blaming me for teachers not giving me my summer assignments before I get out of school, to not doing the dishes by a certain time of day, everyday, to me starting to show anger and sorrow openly due to the way everything in my life has started going south quickly. I feel as though my dad doesn't know how to talk to me without lecturing or fussing at me, which, on top of my mom always working either at work or here on here arts & crafts projects, makes me feel lonely... As though I'm lacking the kind of parents that I need.My cousins never talk to me anymore. They just cut the line. I used to be such good friends with them...All of my friends like the same girl now. Every. Stinking. One... Except me. So we let her into our group, and they all herd around her, leaving me by myself most of the day. When I do try to talk to them while they're around her, I'm ignored. Simply ignored. Doesn't matter now though, I guess. School's out.After all this, I hope you all can realize where this deep inner depression I now have has come from, and that I need some time to set things right in my head before I go so insane that they'll put me in a hospital. I need to not be here for a day or two and just pray. All I want to do. I want to work on my summer work and pray to God, because I've hoped things will fix themselves soon, but they only continue to get worse. And worse. And worse. And worse. And I'm sick of life screwing me over. So, until I come to terms with what my life is now, goodbye, and God bless.


im sorry i didnt reply to you much, but trust me, you will be missed, if not by the others, but by me, and i actually was planning something involving your character, but it can wait until your ready, godspeed man, and good luck to you.
* brohugs you*
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Mammalia said
mmmmmInteresting.


but in all seriousness, when armed forces gets back, we need to rp with him more, he doesnt get much to respond to. alright?

also, id much rather it if NO ONE ARGUED ABOUT RELIGION IN HERE. this is an rp, let it be that, no offense.
and im sorry for not being on as much as i want to be, you all are great friends to me, and im glad i got the chance to meet you all, and i will make this promise:
i promise to keep everyone in the group together, no matter what, unless they truly dont wish to be part of it anymore, or if they need a break due to real life problems.
this is my vow, and i will live by it as long as i am logged in to the time i log off.
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I feel something I haven't felt in a long, long time... I feel, I do believe, outcasted. By everyone I know.IRP: I only ever RP in the IC with David and Spirit, when he's here. I never get replies from Soul anymore, and I can only get about for posts each in with Whizz before I stop getting replies, every time. I wouldn't say anything about this if it only happened once, but it's been a couple if months since this started. Since around the time I was saved.OOC, David and Dark have debated, disputed with and discouraged each other non stop, with nary a way for me to help, stop, end, or support, in any manner.Blitz leaves every two weeks, and was forced to tears by the carelessness of the way we talk here. This cut my plot short and forced me to dim down a character's end. This wouldn't fit here with the rest at all normally, but it only adds to my sorrow when I think of it.Whizz and David seem to have developed a relationship in having a high mutual understanding of God, his work, the logic behind him, and... Really everything. This knowledge has formed a blatant bond between them, while Blitz admits he doesn't like the discussions involving religion here, and Dark sits on the opposite end of the extreme. Soul, I have no idea of the manner, but he isn't involved in those conversations either. However, back to my point, this relationship formed because of their understanding of our entire religion, something which I truly lack. This has kind of created a somewhat distant island that I sit on alone; an island of ignorance. Ignorance and willingness to learn more, but not enough time to do so as I'd like. So I stay here, shipwrecked, and I can feel the loneliness setting in more and more, as I'm not able to participate in these conversations.Ever since I started to show my 100% true personality in the OOC (Around the time I was saved), I can also feel some sort of new force driving everyone's opinion of me in a new direction. I'm no idiot, despite my ability to act like one for entertainment's sake, but I feel that I am no more than a court jester here anymore.IRL: My dad continues to pelt me with lectures about everything, ranging from blaming me for teachers not giving me my summer assignments before I get out of school, to not doing the dishes by a certain time of day, everyday, to me starting to show anger and sorrow openly due to the way everything in my life has started going south quickly. I feel as though my dad doesn't know how to talk to me without lecturing or fussing at me, which, on top of my mom always working either at work or here on here arts & crafts projects, makes me feel lonely... As though I'm lacking the kind of parents that I need.My cousins never talk to me anymore. They just cut the line. I used to be such good friends with them...All of my friends like the same girl now. Every. Stinking. One... Except me. So we let her into our group, and they all herd around her, leaving me by myself most of the day. When I do try to talk to them while they're around her, I'm ignored. Simply ignored. Doesn't matter now though, I guess. School's out.After all this, I hope you all can realize where this deep inner depression I now have has come from, and that I need some time to set things right in my head before I go so insane that they'll put me in a hospital. I need to not be here for a day or two and just pray. All I want to do. I want to work on my summer work and pray to God, because I've hoped things will fix themselves soon, but they only continue to get worse. And worse. And worse. And worse. And I'm sick of life screwing me over. So, until I come to terms with what my life is now, goodbye, and God bless.


I'm really sorry, Sven. I'm getting more and more absentminded recently because of the 15 million things I have going on and a time, and so I miss things... A lot. I'll try to focus more on this. See you soon.
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I feel like I need to clarify something real quick, because it was late when I typed it up early this morning. The RP things are not too big of a deal, but it's the IRL things that are really getting to me. I couldn't sleep last night, so I prayed about it a bit, and I will keep praying about it for a little bit today, but I'm not leaving anymore. I just have a hard time coping with my dad fussing at me frequently and my friends ignoring me.
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So, long story short, I'm sorry if I made anyone feel bad. I just woke up and had extremely depressing "visions" in my half-sleep. I felt extra melancholy, and I'm still pretty sad right now. I hope I didn't make anyone else upset though. I feel as though that was unnecessary.
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