World in Revolution: 1861 Mk II [Signups]

[Pepperm1nts]

One thing I just remembered that I'd like to add to the points made by So Boerd:

Converting ships in the last 1861 posed some problems. People were able to convert their wooden ships into Ironclads and build up some crazy fleets. So maybe this time around we should make it so that you can't convert wooden ships into Ironclads. You have to make them from scratch. I don't know if we should allow wooden ships to be converted into screw-frigates though, but at least Ironclads should have to be built from scratch.

[Ab]

Pepper, get your ass in the chat :p

[null123]

Ab said
Pepper, get your ass in the chat :p

Can I haz Chat Link?

[So Boerd]

Does Narc even want to be bavaria?

[The Nexerus]

^ Talked to him in the IRC and he's fine with it.

[So Boerd]

The Nexerus said
^ Talked to him in the IRC and he's fine with it.

The Bavarian army is an absolute joke, though. From its wiki,

the Bavarian war ministry did not see itself in a position to accomplish manoeuvres above the brigade level. Apart from Prince Karl, and General von Thurn und Taxis, no Bavarian General had ever commanded a division before.

[NarcolepticSailor]

So Boerd said
Does Narc even want to be bavaria?

Aren't a whole lot of other options to be had at the moment. South America isn't viable since there isn't anyone else down there.

[null123]

Am I in the right IRC?
Kinda of alone here.

[So Boerd]

What about Belgium, Greece, or even Switzerland? Switzerland has a stronger army and is defensible, and is or will shortly be richer. Belgium is the most industrialized European country (per capita of course)

[Pepperm1nts]

You sound worried, Boerd.

[So Boerd]

Pepperm1nts said
You sound worried, Boerd.

Because having a player as any impotent German state is a massive headache. A player would never agree to a peaceful union no matter how much autonomy you gave them because that isn't fun, and they're right. However, NPC Saxony for example wouldn't fight a hopeless war and self destruct because it would care about Saxony. Not saying its wrong to want to have fun, of course.

Would you let a player play Hungary? Scotland player, perhaps? Norway had its own army, Norway player?

Portugal! It's open.

[Pepperm1nts]

If Prussia wins the struggle for Germany, without a doubt, then I'm sure everyone will agree Bavaria should become part of the German Empire. At which point Narc could just switch countries.

EDIT: And Hungary does not yet have any real power. Not until 1867. But I'm not sure I'd let anyone play them anyway. It'd weigh me down a bit to have to coordinate everything with someone.

[So Boerd]

Bavaria hardly does either. 1914 its army was still only 94,000. If Narc wants viable choices, Bavaria is pretty low on that list.

[NarcolepticSailor]

So Boerd said
Bavaria hardly does either. 1914 its army was still only 94,000. If Narc wants viable choices, Bavaria is pretty low on that list.

Belgium and Switzerland aren't much better. I'm not very keen on being either since they're fairly limited in their futures.

[Snow]

There's always the idea you gave me with Ethiopia. Since I got China, it would still be something to consider, and you yourself called it an interesting choice.

[Byrd Man]

I'm gonna go ahead and bow out. I just put Spain on my list because I had to put somebody at third. I really wanted to take part in another version of the ACW, North or South. Best of luck with the game everybody and whoop some Yankee ass, Maxwell.

[Pepperm1nts]

So Boerd said
Bavaria hardly does either. 1914 its army was still only 94,000. If Narc wants viable choices, Bavaria is pretty low on that list.

Bavaria probably has more power than Hungary :P At least politically. Like I said, it's not until 1867 that Hungary gets a lot of power as part of the Compromise of 1867 and the formation of Austria-Hungary.

I don't want to say too much in regards to this, 'cause I don't want to seem like I'm trying to keep Narc as Bavaria for my own benefit (since it helps me to have a player as Bavaria, that I can actually work with), but I will say that Bavaria does have potential, and it'll no doubt be fun to play. It's right in the middle of a power struggle, after all.

Belgium is better off, but the potential for fun is not as big as with Bavaria. It's not really very much fun when your country is stable but has nothing to do. Switzerland is prohibited from going to war by its constitution, so all you can really do as Switzerland is domestic. It's potential is very limited.

[So Boerd]

And broker who has military access