[OOC] Lilium Academy For Young Ladies

[Raineh Daze]

El_Tigre said
"Intersex infants with ambiguous outer genitalia may be surgically 'corrected' to more easily fit into a socially accepted sex category. Others may opt, in adulthood, for surgical procedures in order to align their physical sex characteristics with their gender identity or the sex category to which they were assigned at birth."

I repeat: 100% possible. That's not at all possible. >_>

And stop trying to portray Rin as intolerant because you described futa as a real condition.

[VitaVitaAR]

The original description was nothing like the real life condition, it was much more like a certain fetish which makes multiple people here including myself uncomfortable.

No-one here is being intolerant of anything that actually exists in real life. And if no-one says they feel uncomfortable, how will the GM know they do?

There's no reason for anyone to be calling people out for being intolerant of real-life conditions.

I was really very upset by that but I've calmed down now even though I am still not happy with how some people are reacting at all.

[El_Tigre]

Have you been absent this entire conversation? I have given proof that what I described in my character sheet was fully possible with Pseudo-hermaphroditism. To have the appearance of both a penis and vagina. Note; I said APPEARANCE. To a young girl, Which my character IS, would assume she had both of those organs from a glance at a male and female naked.

[El_Tigre]

@Fabricant: Sorry my character brought so much drama to your thread. If you noticed I have already deleted all the upsetting information.

[VitaVitaAR]

... There would be no reason not to operate to correct the deformity in that case. It wouldn't work out like you described.

... I'm upset about how this has disrupted an RP I enjoy and my friends and myself are being called intolerant for feeling uncomfortable about something that was described as being mostly like a fictional condition.

[El_Tigre]

In the history there was only one mention of her condition which I believe said "She was born with both male and female genitalia" which should have been "Born with both male and female sex organs" which refer to her having both testicles and ovaries within her. Though she would grow to develop the pseudo-hermaphroditic qualities which would manifest the APPEARANCE of a penis despite the fact it is only a deformation of the clitoris that resembles said appearance.

This would give my character the sense of not being normal upon seeing the naked female in the adult film her friend had shown her. Where she would come to the conclusion, in her adolescent mind, that she had both the lady part and the APPEARANCE of a male part. But she would believe she actually had the male part seeing as she doesn't know better.

Never in my character description did I say. "Sophia wasn't only born with a vagina. But also a massive penis." I said she had both male and female genitalia, which in theory was correct and real. Not literally having the male genitalia but having the appearance of one.

[Raineh Daze]

We're back to square one: not physically possible because of the way that these things develop.

[El_Tigre]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudohermaphroditism

Please feel free to read it again. Because apparently you missed something.

Specifically this part...

"In some cases, the external sex organs look intermediate between the typical clitoris or penis. In other cases, the external sex organs have an appearance that does not look intermediate, but rather has the appearance that would be expected to be seen with the "opposite" gonadal tissue. Because of this, pseudohermaphroditism is sometimes not identified until puberty."

[Demous]

*smashes his head into his desk several times* why do I keep pushing the subs button while writing my posts!

[Raineh Daze]

In the history there was only one mention of her condition which I believe said "She was born with both male and female genitalia" which should have been "Born with both male and female sex organs" which refer to her having both testicles and ovaries within her

No, that part.

[El_Tigre]

"True Gonadal Intersex: Here the person must have both ovarian and testicular tissue. This may be in the same gonad (an ovotestis), or the person might have one ovary and one testis. .." Quoted Source

I still don't see where I am wrong.

Edit: If you want to make your point better understood you should try explaining your thoughts and reasoning. Instead of saying few words that aren't very pointed and direct. It would make this discussion a lot more clear on both sides.

[Raineh Daze]

El_Tigre said
"True Gonadal Intersex: Here the person must have both ovarian and testicular tissue. This may be in the same gonad (an ovotestis), or the person might have one ovary and one testis. .." Quoted I still don't see where I am wrong.Edit: If you want to make your point better understand you should try explaining your thoughts and reasoning. Instead of saying few words that aren't very pointed and direct. It would make this discussion a lot more clear on both sides.

You've got plurals involved. Read your quote again. >_>

Anyway, I have no desire to be in the same thread as you. Glad you dropped out the first time, as that at least meant getting to enjoy it for a while. I'm done with this.

[Fabricant451]

Well this isn't what I expected to see right before heading out for a girls night

Rin said
...Well if saying I find something really disturbing (futanari actually makes me feel very ill even thinking about it) is "ganging up" then fuck it. Dropping out, I guess. Can't be bothered putting up with your passive aggressive bullshit anymore.Honestly have no idea why you don't see the problem of , but I give up. Sorry.Also intersex exists and I have no problem with it. Just it doesn't work like that at all, so playing the "but it's totally real!" card in defence is just bullshit.

Please don't drop out, Rin. Obviously I can't force you to stay, but I'd really like it if you stayed. We all love you!

Okay, now to the elephant in the room.

So I don't know what the original problem was, but I can infer based on the responses following the posting of the character.

El_Tigre said
Lol sorry, I wanted to create a unique character with an emotional back story. I shall edit it to something less extreme.

There's a fine line here. I welcome unique characters. Unique is good. But if someone is unique because of a physical reason, I'm less inclined to get invested. It's far too easy for people to have a physical reason (be it handicap, obvious scar, genitalia, etc) be the defining point of their character rather than just having the trait be a part of their character. One can be unique and emotional without resorting to something 'extreme'. Had I been here when this whole thing started, I would have asked you to change that, not because I'm intolerant (far from it), but because it wouldn't fit in the overall theme/point of the RP.

ImportantNobody said
I was thinking people fine with yuri would be more open to other things, but oh well. But I didn't see that part of the sheet so cannot say how it was handled.

El_Tigre said
It's honestly kind of shocking how fast you pounced and judged and were unneased by the gender of a FICTIONAL character. The character wasn't even real and you all jumped on it like it were some kind of freaky monster. I would hate to find out how you reacted if it were a REAL human being. Because it is a REAL genetic disorder affecting REAL people.

I don't think this is fair. It seems like less an issue of them being intolerant/freaked by genetic disorder and more of them not wanting a futanari in the RP. I don't have the full context here, but I'm working off of context clues. I think it's safe to say that none of us here have a problem with intersex people.

PyroDash888 said
Passive-aggressiveness is way better than active-aggressiveness :P

I know this is a joke, but no. Oh my god passive aggressive is the worst shit.

Rin said
...I'm disturbed by a completely fictional condition, not the real thing that's nothing like it.Saying I'm intolerant because of that would be like accusing someone of being racist against elves. : |

No one would blame you for that. Elves are the worst.

Sorry. Trying to add levity.

VitaVitaAR said
The original description was nothing like the real life condition, it was much more like a certain fetish which makes multiple people here including myself uncomfortable.No-one here is being intolerant of anything that actually exists in real life. And if no-one says they feel uncomfortable, how will the GM know they do?There's no reason for anyone to be calling people out for being intolerant of real-life conditions.

While I'm not personally uncomfortable with said fetish (though I'll never actively seek it out or watch/read it), the last sentence here is true. No one here's intolerant (except towards elves).

El_Tigre said
@Fabricant: Sorry my character brought so much drama to your thread. If you noticed I have already deleted all the upsetting information.

I have no choice but to accept the apology (though I likely would've done so even with the full information, I'm nice like that). Let's all try to get along here. Let's not be passive-aggressive towards people. Let's not start calling people intolerant.

Here's the thing. No one's anti-intersex irl. Or at least I hope not, and if you are, I'm not one to judge. I might not agree with you, but I have friends who don't agree with some of the things I do, and we get along in spite of that. And I'm sure you had nothing but good intentions, Tigre. But this RP really isn't the best place for a hermaphroditic character. This RP is more meant to just be an easy-going daily life thing revolving around the world of girls' love. Nothing super heavy, apart from the petting.

If this makes me sound intolerant, so be it, but this RP has a staunch 'no dicks' clause. That goes for attitudes and for what's between the legs.

[Rin]

Fabricant451 said
Please don't drop out, Rin. Obviously I can't force you to stay, but I'd really like it if you stayed

I'll think about it. Still too upset to really think straight right now, sorry.

...And I'm really, really sorry for all the grief you've been caused by this. I hope your night out goes well, Fabri.

Also yes, elves are jerks. >.>

[VitaVitaAR]

I hope it does too, Fabri, and I hope it didn't cause too much problems and I hope everything gets better now.

[Demous]

Seriously everyone calm down before decide to jump ship!

[El_Tigre]

Oh my God. Are you seriously hung up on the fact I put the plural form of ovary and testis?? Is that the ONLY reason you continued to argue? My apologies! It was a mistype. Get off your high horse thinking you know better than everyone. If you notice during this entire conversation I have actually done research and sited sources and admitted where I was faulted. Where as all you have done was sit back and make broad remarks entailing the credo "You're wrong" and things of the sort without backing up your statements.

For the love of all things Holy. I thought someone so quick to point out someones lack of knowledge on a subject would be a little more open minded. Have fun on your pedestal where you think you know all things. Hope you have a parachute when someone knocks you off from there.

[Silver Fox]

Rin said
I'll think about it. Still too upset to really think straight right now, sorry....And I'm really, really sorry for all the grief you've been caused by this. I hope your night out goes well, Fabri.Also yes, elves are jerks. >.>

But I like elves D:

[ImportantNobody]

Silver Fox said
But I like elves D:

People tend to have elves as high and mighty, perfect, and stuck up a lot of the time. Of course some people take a unique spin on things so it depends on the author.

[Rusalka]

Fabricant451 said
If this makes me sound intolerant, so be it, but this RP has a staunch 'no dicks' clause. That goes for attitudes and for what's between the legs.

Well....I certainly feel singled out here XD

Silver Fox said
But I like elves D:

FUCK THE ELVES!!! NORDS FTW!!!