[OOC] Clash of Civilisation: A Historical/Alternate History RP

[Iluvatar]

The Mediterranean Sea, Nowhen

The Cradle of Civilization, where the first great powers of the world came to be. Over the aeons, this region has nourished the peoples and cultures that thrived on its bounty. It has seen the might of nations like Egypt, Greece, Rome and more.

But now, something has changed. From all corners of Antiquity, many of the greatest and most powerful civilisations have been thrown together into a new Mediterranean. Once again, their people and cultures must battle for dominance over this ancient sea - only the strongest will survive. Who will build an Empire to stand the test of Time?

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- Essentially, the idea is that each RPer will play the part of a leader of a famous and powerful nation or civilisation from the past (pre-Renaissance).
- For some unexplained reason, many of these civilisations have been flung together into a new Mediterranean.
- Important Note: None of them remember the account of history in our timeline.
- As a nation's leader, Rpers will guide them down a path of interaction with other powers, whether this be through warfare or trade.
- There may also be city-states - minor powers which I will control, and that RPers can befriend or conquer (rather like the city-states in Sid Meir's Civilisation 5)
- There are also resources and trade routes, needed for certain units
- Casual or above standards, I'm not too strict. Just no one-liners please :D

The Map

This is the map I think it would be good to use if this goes ahead. RPers would choose a few territories to start in, and expand from there.

Map

Please note that resources have not yet been added to the map.

Nation Sheet

Nations Sheet

Name:
Capital City:
Ruler:
Form of government:
Traits (choose two of the following):
- Militaristic (increased number of land units allowed)
- Seafaring (increased number of naval units allowed)
- Commercial (five trade routes instead of three - please see note)
- Diplomatic (minor powers/city states will like you more, help you in war etc.)
Brief history:
Claimed land (map if possible please):

Ruler Character Sheet

Ruler Character Sheet

Name:
Title(s):
Age:
Brief backstory:
Appearance (image or description):
Personality and interests (what do they want?):

NOTE

About trade routes and resources. Do people want actual resources around the map that you can trade, or would you prefer to make up what resources you have and use trading as an extra aspect to the RP rather than as a crucial factor? If more people want the latter, I think the number of traits allowed should be reduced to 1 unless someone has some more ideas for those.

Thanks :D

[TwistedSun]

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Resigned

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Name: Kingdom of Naples
Ruler: Charles I
Form of government: Feudal Monarchy
Traits:
- Seafaring "Menarse a mare cu' tutt'e panne." "Plunge in the sea with full clothing"
- Commercial "Chi fraveca e sfraveca nun perde maje tiempo." "Who works hard, in anything, does not waste time."
Brief history: WIP
Claimed land: [/centre]

Image

Name: Charles I of Anjou
Title(s): King of Sicily - King of Naples
Age: 39
Brief backstory: WIP
Appearance:

Image

Personality and interests (what do they want?): WIP

(( I personally vote for having resources on the map. Moreover, I suggest of making possible the refinement of raw resources through workshops, in order to trade better goods for an higher profit :). ))

[Captios]

Placeholder for a short while.

[DAWNSTAR]

Putting this here to save space. On the topic of resources, I think that each quadrant(separate white blocks) should have a boost to a certain resource. For example, a quadrant located where we would expect mountains would have an increased amount of stone and bronze(or later on iron). Same with forests, increased production of lumber if the player owns a lumber camp in that quadrant. There would also have to be specialty resources like quartz, sandstone, and etc. The specialty resources could then be used for trade if the player is lacking certain resources.

In a sense, our production of resources wouldn't be limited to just the resources we own in certain quadrants. So, we really have the ability to produce all the resources in all quadrants. But, if it is not specifically stated that a certain quadrant has a certain resource how would we know what is there? To answer this, I believe we should implement a little something called surveying. We could survey quadrants we own(or don't own) to see what resources exist there. The results of the survey could be determined by a dice roll. 2 dice of 1 to 5 could be used to determine if the surveyor had found bronze. If the surveyor is skilled in locating bronze(located successfully more than five times) then the fail rate is lower. For example, say the fail rate for an unskilled surveyor is 4 out of ten. If he is skilled, then the fail rate will be 3 out of ten. This means that he has a 70% chance of finding bronze over the before 60% chance. That means, if he rolls any number above three he will successfully find bronze. This way, we balance what sort of resources we can get.

Now we move on to determining how to get these resources. Let's start simple with a lumber camp. Without a lumber camp, the citizens of a certain region could harvest 10 logs per update. After building a lumber camp, the citizens could produce 30 logs per update. That means that the lumber camp adds 20 log production. Now, how do we increase the amount of logs without building you say? Well, lets state it this way. If five citizens produce 10 logs without a lumber camp and the same five can produce 30 logs with the lumber camp then that means their production goes from 2 logs per citizen applied to 6 logs per citizen applied. This means that resource production buildings don't actually produce resources but effect the rate at which citizens produce resources. Now, let's say this is after a successful survey of forests. This means that you indeed can harvest logs in that quadrant. Now, let's say that the quadrant is a forest quadrant. This means that the citizens would have been producing 1 log per if it was not a forest quadrant. Thus, the natural increase from the lumber cap is four no matter what. Basically, each lumber camp increases the production of the citizens applied to it by 4. Thus, in order to limit the amount of production we would need to limit the amount of resource buildings that can be placed in a certain quadrant.

Anyway, this is just my idea on how resources should work. I shall now get back to work on my application.

[Kinkaz]

Sorry duck but

Nation app

Name: Kingdom of Altium (seriously, that's the thing that I got when I image googled “cisalpine gaul map”)
Capital City: Altinum (the city that is supposed to be Venice)
Ruler: Maolcholuim Ó Corcáin
Form of government: Despotic monarchy
Traits (choose two of the following):
- Militaristic (increased number of land units allowed)
- Commercial (five trade routes instead of three - please see note)
Brief history:
The city of Altinum was founded 300 years ago. Although details are patchy, it is supposed it was founded as a fishing town. As the years passed by, though, Altinum became the center of several Cisalpine Gaul traders, who wanted to sail into the Adriatic. Altinum proved to help these traders a lot and soon the village evolved into a small trading city. The trade was making the city prosperous and soon the ships evolved into better designs, which allowed Altinum to, not only cover much of the Adriatic sea, but allowed traders to sail as far as Thessalonika, Crete and Sicily.

But everything has to have a twist. 150 years after the foundation of Altinum. a western Celtic king attempted to unify the whole of Cisalpine Gaul and Altinum stood in the middle of his goals. The city was subjugated and forced to pay heavy taxes, forcing the city into decay. 75 years after the fall though, as the power of the kingdom of Cisalpine Gaul decayed, the city rebelled and restored it's independence, allowing it to restore it's old glory. Via tempting trade treaties that allowed Altinum to de facto control numerous territories and some conquests, the Kingdom of Altinum expanded to it's modern day extension.
Claimed land (map if possible please):

Ruler app

Name: Maolcholuim Ó Altinum
Title(s): (petty) King of Altinum
Age: 32
Brief backstory:

Maolcholuim O Altinum was born in the city of Altinum and is the grandson of Finnchad O Altinum, the liberator of the city. The father of Maolcholuim, Páraic, conquered around half the modern territory of Altinum.

When he was 9 though, he lost his mother in a shipwreck and when he was 12 was accused of stealing a bar of gold from a trader, which caused a great deal of humiliation to his father. This made his father slightly hate him and he was sent to the shaman, where he was educated for (embarrasingly enough) 6 years, in which time he was forced to repay his debts with the trader by sometimes being dragged as a sailor. When he was 18 and he resolved his debts, he lived in a fishing town, hoping to escape from his father's wrath.

Fortunately, his father died at age 58 (Maolcholuim was 27) and left 2 daughters. The council reunited to decide who would be the successor since they wouldn't allow women to inherit. Maolcholuim returned and a housewive recognized him as the son of Páraic, thus Maolcholuim became king of Altinum. Already king, his sisters accused him of attempting to rape them, but there were no witnesses to the crime, but the sole accusation caused Maolcholuim a great deal of embarrasment not only within the council, but with his vassals alike.

Appearance (image or description):

(ignore everything else around, blame CKII).
Personality and interests (what do they want?): Rule over Cisalpine Gaul

Also, I approve of resources in the map.

[Captios]

Oh, it's an Argentine named Kinkaz.

You IOT, right?

[Kinkaz]

Captios said
Oh, it's an Argentine named Kinkaz.You IOT, right?

Yes. We shall anschluss you, filthy Vichy NESer!

(for those who don't know what I'm talking about)

Loljk, it's good to have a CFCer around. And I'm an actual Argentine...

[Kinkaz]

-accidental double post-

[Zambza]

Name: Kingdom of Majorca
Capital City: Palma
Ruler: James I of Aragon
Form of government: Monarchy
Traits:
- Militaristic (increased number of land units allowed): Balearic Islands are known for their slingers. All children practice using the sling and it's considered shame if Majorcian can't break pot from 200 yards.
- Diplomatic (minor powers/city states will like you more, help you in war etc.): Balearic Islands have narrow resources, so good relationships with surrounding nations are important.
Brief history: Kingdom of Majorca was establish by political scheming of James I to create a Mediterranean enclave between Capetians of France and Crown of Aragon.
Claimed land (map if possible please):

Map

Name: James I of Aragon
Title(s):James the Conquer
Age: 22
Brief backstory:
Appearance (image or description):

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Personality and interests (what do they want?): James I is ambitious, trying to create his own kingdom in midst of political conflicts. He is also patron of poetry and prose.

[Iluvatar]

@Twistedsun - Accepted. As for resources on the map, see below.

@DAWNSTAR - I like some things about this idea. If every RPer just did a little research and found out what resources would be around their current claimed area, it would make trade possible and not restrict freedom too much. I don't think we should have a points/percentage-based system for surveying, as my poor brain probably couldn't deal with it and it might restrict freedom a little.

As for lumber camps, etc, I'm not sure how that could be done. Of course, it is fine to roleplay the construction of a lumber camp - and in war, if you specifically state you destroy an enemy's lumber camp, they would have less access to wood. As a representation on the map or the keeping track of who has built what, I'm not sure it could be done. But, perhaps, we could have 'fortress' territories which are built over the course of a number of IC pages and give defensive boosts to the units in that territory.

@Kinkaz - Accepted

@Zambza - Acepted

I'll try to get a map up with everyone's claimed land so far on it later today GMT. Keep making those nation sheets :D

[Iluvatar]

Here's the map so far. I know Naples seems a bit big, so some of you who have claimed less (particularly Sardinia and Majorca) can claim a couple of mainland territories if you would like.

Map

[Zambza]

Snapping some mainland harbors since it was recommended.

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[DAWNSTAR]

Kingdom of Sparta

Capital City: Sparta(Black dot on the map)

Ruler: King Aeolous and King Theleon

Form of government: Dual Monarchy(Two kings)

Traits (choose two of the following):
Militaristic'Gia ária !' 'For Ares'
Seafaring 'Pou mas dóthi̱ke apó ton Poseidó̱na !' 'Given to us by Poseidon!

Brief history:The Kingdom of Sparta use to be the small city state of Sparta. Sparta was a mostly disorganized but militaristic city state led by a despotic general. The general had grown old and lazy. He was unwilling to change or try and conquer more land in the name of Sparta. Eight years ago, a group of soldiers lead by Aeolous Rorithor started a rebellion. Aeolous besiged Sparta with a small coalition force consisting of three hundred and fifty Spartans and fifteen trireme. It took three months before Aeolous sucessfully took over Sparta. But, it was not Aeolous who killed the general. Instead, the general's son, Theleon Courine killed him. Theleon and Aeolous were both considered heros of the rebellion and were placed as the heads of the Spartan empire. Aeolous led the seafaring forces of Sparta while Theleon led the land forces. Since then, Sparta has expanded quickly by conquering its neighbors.

Claimed land (map if possible please):

Spartan Lands

Kings of Sparta

Name: Aeolous Rorithor
Title(s): First King, King of Sparta, King of the Sea, King of Old
Age:39
Brief backstory: A Spartan by birth, Aeolous was raised in the arts of war. Aeolous was good with a sword but better with a bow and arrow. He found himself wanting more for the sea than the land. Aeolous led around sixteen raids on Sparta's neighbors before the general began to become more sheltered. Aeolous had began to get restless, along with his fellow Spartans. Aeolous led a force of soldiers against Sparta and the general.
Appearance (image or description): Aeolous is a stout man. He stands a little over five foot four inches and weighs two hundred pounds. He is a muscular man even among his family. Despite his age, Aeolous has salt and pepper colored hair. He only ever grows stubble and often cuts his hair to be sparse as a burned forest. Scars cover his chest and arms from his training. One particular scar marks where a arrow got buried in his shoulder.
Personality and interests (what do they want?):Aeolous is a rather ambitious ruler. He looks to take all in the name of Sparta and Ares. He is by far the most violent of the two kings of Sparta. Aeolous has no trouble in killing his political enemies but is the most supportive of the people. He prefers to talk with the generals under him before he makes a decision.

Name:Theleon Courine
Title(s):Second King, King of Sparta, King of the Land, Child King
Age:25
Brief backstory:Raised by his father's maids, Theleon had never like his father. Theleon's father, general Kalinab Courine, was rarely seen with his son. Theleon, despite this, had developed well as a Spartan and became the leader of a small platoon in the rebellion. Theleon had not seen his father in three years on the day he killed him. He was considered a hero for killing his father and given a position as king and leader of the Spartan land forces.
Appearance (image or description):Theleon does not look like his father at all. He bears a wide and strong jaw along with blonde hair while is father had a rounded jaw and black hair. Theleon stands at five foot and eleven inches and weighs only one hundred and seventy five pounds. Despite this, most of Theleon's body weight is muscle. Theleon keep his hair long and in pony tail with a small, scraggly beard. Theleon carries twenty five scars on his back from lashings he had received.
Personality and interests (what do they want): Like Aeolous, Theleon is ambitious and hopes to make Sparta the most glorious Kingdom in the world. Yet, Theleon is very careful when it comes to battles and prefers to play it safe. He likes to look for all possible ways to take down his enemies with minimal costs. Theleon considers everyone his equal no matter their standing towards him. It is Theleon's belief that everything happens as the Gods intend it to happen.

[Brink_]

Name: Tang Dynasty China
Capital City: Chang'an
Ruler: Empress Wu Zetian
Form of Government: Monarchy
Traits: Militaristic, Diplomatic
Brief History: WIP
Claimed Land:



Name: Empress Wu Zetian
Title(s): Empress
Age: 66
Brief Backstory: Like most civilizations, China has been male-dominated throughout much of its history. Until very recently, women were afforded few rights, and direct power was all but totally denied to them. For a woman to attain the rank of Emperor, to become the most powerful person in China, was almost unheard of. Only one person in the entirety of Chinese history was able to do so. That person was Wu Zetian, one of the most remarkable rulers - female or male - the world has ever seen.
Appearance:



Personality and Interests: Wu Zetian puts a priority on increasing her empire's population over expanding her empire. Sometimes, she may possess only one city and not build a new one until later. Wu tends to have a somewhat large army consisting primarily of ranged units, with an upper emphasis on defensive militia, and is known to make use of espionage.Wu is rather difficult to befriend. While she can be very friendly, she is often disloyal and tends to become guarded. Watch out for her deceptiveness, especially when you are friends with Wu, because she may end up declaring war on you. She is not quite keen on waging wars, though. Wu will often try to protect city-states, and likes to befriend them as well.

[Iluvatar]

@Zambza - New claims accepted

@DAWNSTAR - Accepted

@Um, not sure what China is doing on the Baltic Coast? Is this some kind of alternate history colony? Which is fine, btw, could u just explain?

[Kinkaz]

Finished my app.

EDIT: May I ask at what year IC we start?

[RisenDead]

Are there limits on size of territory and I assume we're going with Romanesque time frame for technology?

[Brink_]

Iluvatar said
@Um, not sure what China is doing on the Baltic Coast? Is this some kind of alternate history colony? Which is fine, btw, could u just explain?

I thought by "Alternate History RP" you literally meant alternate histories...
Never mind then. I'll craft up something more appropriate>

[Iluvatar]

Kinkaz said
Finished my app.EDIT: May I ask at what year IC we start?

Not sure about that. As this is not our timeline, it obviously won't be BC/AD/BCE/CE. Perhaps we should start on Year 300 of this world? And how does everyone want the time to move on?

RisenDead said
Are there limits on size of territory and I assume we're going with Romanesque time frame for technology?

Late Bronze Age/Early Antiquity kind of tech era. Bronze is commonly used, and iron is beginning to be discovered.

Brink_ said
I thought by "Alternate History RP" you literally meant alternate histories...Never mind then. I'll craft up something more appropriate>

Well, it's fine for it to be some kind of colony, but I was assuming most people would choose a European, Middle Eastern or North African civilisation. China is fine, so long as it is a colony and you explain how it got there.

And as a note to everyone, city-states will be put in after we have a few more civilisations on the map.

[Nerevarine]

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