Mahz's Dev Journal

[Mahz]

But yeah, if that matter hasn't already been discussed, 'white-spaces' would be needed. I've made a few posts with them, only to realize all my careful editing has been fruitless.

@Teknonick

Can you elaborate? Not sure what you're referring to.

[Teknonick]

Oh, sorry about that. Example: If you try to add in a bunch of spaces in front of this, it still lines up with this line below, right down here. But if you could add in line spaces (Let's pretend theses dashes are invisible and you can't see them) -Teknonick's Application --Appearance ---Descriptive words here... --Biography ---More descriptive words, yet again... It helps to make very condensed, yet still formatted and tidy posts.

[BBeast]

Oh, sorry about that. Example: If you try to add in a bunch of spaces in front of this, it still lines up with this line below, right down here. But if you could add in line spaces (Let's pretend theses dashes are invisible and you can't see them) -Teknonick's Application --Appearance ---Descriptive words here... --Biography ---More descriptive words, yet again... It helps to make very condensed, yet still formatted and tidy posts.

@Teknonick

So you want indents, yes? I'd also like line breaks to exist between dot points in a list (or, at the very least, not get gobbled up).

[NuttsnBolts]

@Celaira @ravenDivinity: I've been building the Guild's UI so that it scales to all screens. You can change your browser's width to see how it works. On Saturday I experimented with adding a flag that tells your browser to render the site at your screen's width. But it caused too many issues to I turned the flag off. It's just not ready yet, so I'll try again in a couple months when I've made more progress. @Celaira: I'm surprised someone liked my attempt at design.

@Mahz

If anything it was an interesting test to see how a mobile version would work. I never knew how complicated it would be. >_>

[Rina]

Just merged the Member Lounge forum into the Off-topic Discussion forum. I believe Contra Fates created the Member Lounge on the Oldguild to handle a class of topics that kept dominating the off-topic forum. We don't need it anymore.

@Mahz

I've noticed that the moderation policy from both threads are there. You might want to delete one so that it's not redundant.

[Ellri]

Look at the second to last section of the Formatting cheatsheet. It covers indentation, [@Technonick]. Its not quite as sparse as whitespaces, but it looks good. Alternatively, you can use colored underscores. The hex color you want is 2e2c2c. see examples here: indent:

a

a

a

a

a

colored underscore: a _a _a __a __a _a __a __a ___a

[Mahz]

<Snipped quote by Teknonick> So you want indents, yes? I'd also like line breaks to exist between dot points in a list (or, at the very least, not get gobbled up).

@BBeast

• I Think I Just
• Fixed This
• (Paragraph test): As cunning as a vinnie's also he hasn't got a bastard. As cross as a vb when he's got a massive squizz. Lets throw a cockie flamin lets get some chuck a yewy. Grab us a lizard drinking bloody lets get some servo. She'll be right fisho no worries she'll be right bathers. We're going mappa tassie where flat out like a chrissie. He's got a massive muster my stands out like a cook. He hasn't got a bikkie also trent from punchy ripper. Built like a grouse piece of piss as cunning as a chewie. Trent from punchy relo also she'll be right down under. Lets get some pretty spiffy no worries flat out like a . Shazza got us some pig's arse when as busy as a g'day. Flat out like a jug to gutful of struth. She'll be right bastard when get a dog up ya wuss.

Oh, sorry about that. Example: If you try to add in a bunch of spaces in front of this, it still lines up with this line below, right down here. But if you could add in line spaces (Let's pretend theses dashes are invisible and you can't see them) -Teknonick's Application --Appearance ---Descriptive words here... --Biography ---More descriptive words, yet again... It helps to make very condensed, yet still formatted and tidy posts.

@Teknonick

Unfortunately that would introduce a lot of problems for not much gain. I think the solution is just better BBCode. Perhaps [list=nostyle] or something to create lists without bullets?

[Ellri]

@Mahz: or that solution above with [color=2e2c2c]_[/color]

[Mahz]

colored underscore:
a
[color=2e2c2c]_[/color]a
[color=2e2c2c]_[/color]a
[color=2e2c2c]__[/color]a
[color=2e2c2c]__[/color]a
[color=2e2c2c]_[/color]a
[color=2e2c2c]__[/color]a
[color=2e2c2c]__[/color]a
[color=2e2c2c]___[/color]a

@Ellri

Oh god. Kill it with fire. Imagine the day I change the background of posts.

[Ellri]

heh. so long as you maintain a roughly gray scheme, it won't make such spaces all that visible. even the below examples jump quite a bit in color, yet most of them are hardly noticeable. a a a a a a a a a a a a a

[Shienvien]

Most browser-based environments lacking proper way to make longer rows of whotespace characters has always been a major annoyance of mine. I want my tabs, and I've resorted to colored underscores and worse to get them in the past... (Unless I jut give up and just use single line breals without tabs, which can be a bit textwallish.) - I really don't like double line break paragraph breaks (as opposed to your typical book-style single line break and tab). Not only do double line breaks result in questionable amounts of void, but I also find such text physically hard to follow when the paragraphs under question are very short.

[Captain Jordan]

<Snipped quote by Teknonick> Unfortunately that would introduce a lot of problems for not much gain. I think the solution is just better BBCode. Perhaps [list=nostyle] or something to create lists without bullets?

@Mahz

That's a brilliant idea.

[Mahz]

Most browser-based environments lacking proper way to make longer rows of whotespace characters has always been a major annoyance of mine. I want my tabs, and I've resorted to colored underscores and worse to get them in the past... (Unless I jut give up and just use single line breals without tabs, which can be a bit textwallish.)
- I really don't like double line break paragraph breaks (as opposed to your typical book-style single line break and tab). Not only do double line breaks result in questionable amounts of void, but I also find such text physically hard to follow when the paragraphs under question are very short.

@Shienvien

Latest push:

• I made an effort to implement tabs and preserve all whitespace.
• You can now copy and paste posts directly without whitespace collapse.

I need help testing it with various BBCode.

a b c d e f
x y - < u e o
q r z p l _

v ⦻ ^

y g q w h j
h & k > h r a
e m b % h o

Changes to the BBCode parser are only reflected in posts/PMs saved (created/edited) since.

[Captain Jordan]

I made an effort to implement tabs and preserve all whitespace.

@Mahz

Well, crap. Now that makes it impossible to tab to the post buttons. Can you make the editor respond to shift-tab to add a tab space? Tab is more appropriately reserved for keyboard navigation of webpages.

[ravenDivinity]

Has anybody else noticed that opening a hider removes its title?

Example:

"Click me." [+]

Now the title's gone.

Edit: This only happens when the title is in quotation marks in your raw BBcode.

[Mahz]

<Snipped quote by Mahz>

Well, crap. Now that makes it impossible to tab to the post buttons. Can you make the editor respond to shift-tab to add a tab space? Tab is more appropriately reserved for keyboard navigation of webpages.

@Captain Jordan

Yeah, I will just make the tab-override an opt-in checkbox on the editor or something.

Has anybody else noticed that opening a hider removes its title?

Example:

"Click me." [+]

Now the title's gone.

Edit: This only happens when the title is in quotation marks in your raw BBcode.

@ravenDivinity

Thanks.

[Shienvien]

Tabs doing what they are meant to do in browser? On a forum, of all things? Strange things do happen, strange things do happen indeed...
(If we're going to make tab/shift-tab distinction, then I'd rather tab was the whitespace character and shift-tab the whatever keyboard navigation thing Captain mentioned. If for no other reason, then for wanting more paragraphs than ... differently-styled text? I never noticed tab doing anything before besides, well, not working. - And I did try whether it did something with the new editor, just in case. Perhaps it is browser-specific.)
But thanks; it is certainly a thing I have direly missed for a long time, especially in a forum that is dedicated for creative writing.

[ravenDivinity]

If we're going to make tab/shift-tab distinction, then I'd rather tab was the whitespace character and shift-tab the whatever keyboard navigation thing Captain mentioned.

@Shienvien

The shift-tab key should produce the white-space character since the tab key is reserved by the browser and by operating systems for keyboard navigation to the next form component, and making the tab key produce the white-space character would obviously conflict with that.

[Shienvien]

The shift-tab key should produce the white-space character since the tab key is reserved by the browser and by operating systems for keyboard navigation to the next form component, and making the tab key produce the white-space character would obviously conflict with that.

Not on all systems... And we don't really have many multi-field forms here to begin with.
- All programs I've personally excessively used either use it as spacer or autocomplete (latter mostly only for commandline/terminal/console-based programs, though the the terminal also uses it as spacer in some very specific instances). ...Excluding computer games, where it is often minimap, console-call, or some such unless I've mapped it to some other commonly-used function, since it is conveniently right next to WASD (though I use QWSD instead).

[Captain Jordan]

<Snipped quote> Not on all systems... And we don't really have many multi-field forms here to begin with.

@Shienvien

But it's expected behavior on a browser. Barely any browser-based form respects tab as an indent character. Accessibility for keyboard navigation, IMHO, is more important than a one-touch spacing key. If it's available via shift+tab or through manual whitespace, that should be an acceptable solution for a feature that is rarely used outside of document creation.

EDIT: @Mahz, do pasted tabs (from Word or otherwise) render properly? This may be another workaround.