[OOC] Arena Chat Thread

[MelonHead]

Now, if you want to break through someone's defense and you are using magic (a pretty much impossible to quantify entity, how can I say for example 'Oh yeah, my fireball would definitely break through your shield) then preps are a good way of balancing that out. If I've pre-planned my attack and you throw up a hasty defense, like anyone caught off guard, you should lose out.

I feel like this conversation is a scary road to walk, because it ends with inevitably finding a better combat system IMO, one that covers fighting in all tiers, rather than t2-t3.

[Skallagrim]

Melon you pretty much nailed why magic requires preps. A quick magic attack that is accepted against a regular defense will cause damage and possibly disrupt their prepping. A non prepped vs even a single prep defense wint break through it.

[Vordak]

I tend to assume a middle ground, as you may have figured out. Prepping is a good way of building up power, but once pressure is applied, you don't really have the opportunity to do so. That taken into consideration, unprepped magic would be a mage's bread and butter.

[Vordak]

Cannot magic be quantified by it's effect? I do see such problems arising with pure magical attacks used against pure magical defenses, but fireballs, which you use as an example, can have their effectiveness measured fairly well by the amount of heat produced.

[Rilla]

In my interpretation, that was more or less them providing an example of using a non-magical attack while simultaneously charging a magical attack.

From most, if not all, T1 based fights I've seen - it usually works the same at low and high. Charge the magic(any magic not charged is usually easily swatted/defended away, as it's considered fairly weak, without getting into the details of everything - which, honestly, would mean a fight probably wouldn't progress very far). More charges = more power, meaning more charges = more defensive power; O Line vs D Line cancel out, basically.

But it's something we have to come to grips with, mainly for the ranks - as it could easily turn into a disagreement. We normally don't have any problems with it, as I can't recall a single one.

[MelonHead]

Cannot magic be quantified by it's effect? I do see such problems arising with pure magical attacks used against pure magical defenses, but fireballs, which you use as an example, can have their effectiveness measured fairly well by the amount of heat produced.

@Vordak

In theory yes, in practice no.

Rule of cool wins out in Arena fights, that and the balancing element of T1.

[Skallagrim]

Alright guys going out to celebrate with friends. Don't burn and pilliage Liaison's place without me.

[MelonHead]

I suppose we can always whip out our new favorite 'cba to deal with it' argument for this query as well, and make it up to the tournament host how they want magic to work. I would strongly recommend a more flexible system, regardless of the prep/time trade-off for better effects (or some other heavy penalty which is where mana would come in.) or you will have an entire tournament full of asshole spellswords, and no one likes spellswords.

[Vordak]

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In theory yes, in practice no.

Rule of cool wins out in Arena fights, that and the balancing element of T1.

@MelonHead

But how much those two affect the fight is up to the participants. Why not turn theory into practice?

Prepping only complicates the matter further. Let me explain why i think so.

Lets say, you have a kevlar vest and a magic projectile. But what does prepping a that magic projectile actually do? Will it be able to break through the vest or not, even if unprepped it was so weak it couldn't even bruise the wearer? And the opposite, what if the defender preps against a projectile powerful enough to penetrate and fast enough to land a solid hit?

IMHO, preps should scale with the abilities predetermined physical damage, as it was in Leeroy's Everlasting arena, not some conceptual quantity that doesn't correlate with any other type of measurement.

[Rilla]

Prepping has never been complicated to me, really. T1 handles the balance, prepping finishes it up.

In that example, kelver vs fireball, without a charge, it may cause some damage, but the kelver will probably diminish most. With each charge the fireball will get stronger. one charge, it can probably burn the kelver, and go from there. two breaks through, type of deal.

Now, if its magical kevlar, and it has charges, it can counteract the effect.

we can, however, leave it up to combatants and hosts, as far as these things go. that seems to work well for us.

[DJAtomika]

@DJAtomika Do you wanna start this shindig?

@Rilla

Hell.

Yeah.

[Rilla]

What story do you want?

A hit out on Tre'Yan?

[DJAtomika]

@Rilla That would make sense, I guess.

This is ranked, so, hmm. I'm trying to think of a reasonable excuse for a shadow soldier to fight an undead boxer.

*Looks over his sheet, notices his blood type is dead*
*snrk*

[Rilla]

@Rilla That would make sense, I guess.

This is ranked, so, hmm. I'm trying to think of a reasonable excuse for a shadow soldier to fight an undead boxer.

*Looks over his sheet, notices his blood type is dead*
*snrk*

@DJAtomika

And not use everything at his disposal?

Have him working for the Raeym Corporation as a hitman, on contract to take out Tre'Yan, as revenge for Tre'Yan costing them a lot of money in the past, before the events of Jake vs Tre'Yan and Tre'Yan vs Dyayun.

To explain why he isn't using his guns and stuff, it can be that they want it to be personal.

[DJAtomika]

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And not use everything at his disposal?

Have him working for the Raeym Corporation as a hitman, on contract to take out Tre'Yan, as revenge for Tre'Yan costing them a lot of money in the past, before the events of Jake vs Tre'Yan and Tre'Yan vs Dyayun.

To explain why he isn't using his guns and stuff, it can be that they want it to be personal.

@Rilla

Well alright then! Fists 'n feet vs fists it is.

[Rilla]

You did say you were gonna use your knife too. xD

[Rilla]

Looks like the Sword and Gundriver boys have vanished.

[DJAtomika]

You did say you were gonna use your knife too. xD

@Rilla

And knife.

[Impaqt]

Looks like the Sword and Gundriver boys have vanished.

@Rilla

I know. I'm kind of sad about it too.

[Rilla]

Can't keep them all.

DJ, wanna set it up then?