Radical Feminism, Misandry & the Rise of MGTOW

[The Patriarch]

[Vilageidiotx]

Goddamit, that is a long-ass video. Can you, oh solemn champion of men, oh only savior to our testicular future, summarize that shit or something?

[Dinh AaronMk]

Goddamit, that is a long-ass video. Can you, oh solemn champion of men, oh only savior to our testicular future, summarize that shit or something?

@Vilageidiotx

Allahu ackbar brothuh.

And hail Putin.

[Mysaren]

>implying misandry is real

[Vilageidiotx]

>implying misandry is real

@Mysaren

Well, if it isn't, that would be some magical shit. That would me everybody likes men all the time always, which is... an interesting idea.

[Loud Angry Dead]

<Snipped quote by Mysaren>

Well, if it isn't, that would be some magical shit. That would me everybody likes men all the time always, which is... an interesting idea.

@Vilageidiotx

Well men are lovable creatures of humble origin after all. They do crap rainbows and heal the sick ya know? I also find it not too surprising that the feminist killjoy (self-titled?) chose to make her presence known in the thread.

[Mysaren]

Prejudice against men is real, sure , but misandry implies it's more than prejudice and is more on a level that suggests men are oppressed just for being men. Which. They aren't.

[ActRaiserTheReturned]

Misandry is real.

I don't know how widespread it is. But it's there. 0_0

[Mysaren]

Men aren't oppressed just for being men, so, misandry isn't real.

[mdk]

I'm not convinced that systematic oppression against anybody exists in the West. The closest we have are situations where people in impoverished areas aren't getting enough help -- but that's a far cry from the evil villain twirling his-or-her mustache and cackling as the oppressed are HELD DOWN. That shit don't happen here. Apathy is not oppression, and apathy is as close as we get. Congratulations, us!

When you have to say "If so-and-so did such-and-such then so-and-so WOULD BE _____ probably!" you're not saying anything worth hearing. I don't care.

But shitty things do happen. I personally know two guys who almost had their lives ruined by false rape accusations -- in one case, the girl was just a vindictive bitch, that was borne out in court (after the guy was taken out of school in handcuffs), and everything worked out, minus some emotional scarring. The other case, the girl was totally cool, but had already reported it because she woke up from blackout drunk and by the time she realized that he wasn't an asshole, the system already had him and she couldn't stop it (this was military-related). She actually testified in his favor at his court martial. All things considered he got out of it fairly light (as in, he got to keep his commission and what was left of his career), but the damage follows you forever.

Another guy I only met once was a straight-up rocket scientist, in a similar situation to my second example above. Lost everything and does engine maintenance now. On cars.

TLDR -- We need to figure out a better way to handle date-rape, soft harassment, and similar crimes. The system as it's set now is unfair to men, sure, but downright insulting to women -- two of the three examples I have from personal experience, the woman was told in no uncertain terms "It doesn't matter what you say now, you aren't strong enough to handle this on your own, and we don't care what you think you want, we're going to do what's in your best interest and you don't have a say in it."

[Keyguyperson]

These threads always restore my faith in humanity. Because nobody ever agrees with The Patriarch.

[Vilageidiotx]

Prejudice against men is real, sure , but misandry implies it's more than prejudice and is more on a level that suggests men are oppressed just for being men. Which. They aren't.

@Mysaren

No it doesn't. That's not how words work.

I'm not convinced that systematic oppression against anybody exists in the West. "

@mdk

This. Exactly this. I would say that there has been systematic oppression of LGBT fairly recently, but that is improving rather quickly. Even with that in mind, it is nothing like what used to exist in the past.

There are still problems when it comes to racism/sexism etc, but most of it comes from the fact that most of this social development happened over the course of the last century. Second wave feminism, the civil rights movement, the gay rights movement, that all happened within the lifetimes of a lot of people. There is baggage that only time can cure, and both radical feminism and the mens rights movement are only pealing scabs to feel edgy.

If you want to face the problems of our generation, the real meaningful issues that will effect us long term, you gotta look at economics. That's where our demons are.

[ASTA]

In a way, you can apply Sir Issac Newton's Third Law of Motion to group psychology.

While feminism permitted women to earn their own finances and enjoy an unprecedented echelon of social freedom, few people paid any mind to what unfavorable effects feminism would have on civilization at large.

MGTOW is that opposite--and in many ways equal--reaction to feminism.

https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=misandry

https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=MGTOW

Feminism, like many other liberal progressive policies, is manufacturing a dense cohort of exceedingly peeved males of mostly White European ancestry.

[Chapatrap]

White European ancestry.

@ASTA

Don't be so racist, men of colour are just as capable of being peeved at feminism as dirty blank-skins.

[Vilageidiotx]

I think it would be overly simplistic to say the Men's movement is nothing more than angry reactionaries. That would be somewhat unique. You see that in people who lived during the movements, like how the truly reactionary racists are mostly people who grew up before or during the civil rights movement, but people who were born a generation or two after women became equal? They aren't suddenly pissed off now for the world their mothers were raised in.

Millennial feminism seems to be what has created these Men's rights movements, and Millennial feminism is quite different. I think the modern Millennial feminists are people who learned about all the awful shit that happened in the past and processed it incorrectly, so that instead of seeing colonialism and oppression as the expression of human folly and something that we all have to worry about, we've turned it into this very specific story of white males being a naturally evil force and everybody else being victims of that force. Which isn't how this works. But when you make that mistake, when you think evil requires white men, then everybody else is infallible and the conversation becomes skewed.

Now, the difference between the rest of us white men and those like the OP is that most of us understand it is a minority making this mistake and that most people of every color and sex are just living day to day and aren't making shitty judgements like this, whereas the Patriarch has blown this entire mistake out of proportion and is treating a small number of mostly powerless, incorrect radical feminists as a major danger he has to react too. In some ways, this is more dangerous. The biggest danger in radical feminism isn't really the feminists themselves, because they could only gain traction in a minority since their beliefs are so bald-faced hypocritical that most people will not be persuaded in the end. The thing I fear is that the Patriarch's reactionaries will gain traction and that the radical feminists will accidentally inspire a massive backslide against liberalism all together. If enough people start equating radical feminism with normal feminism, or with the civil rights movement, it could be a bad thing.

In short, radical feminism is am embarrassment that should be mocked, absolutely, but the Patriarch's form of stubborn reaction is how fascists happen.

[FacePunch]

Radical feminism is like Twitter.

It only matters if you let it.

[mdk]

Radical feminism is like Twitter.

It only matters if you let it.

@FacePunch

sort of. There's a few important people (notably in schools and universities) who allow shit like Tumbler 'feminism' and various other PC-overkill movements to matter in their policy. Those people are problems we should be trying to fix -- not the PC overkills themselves. We're always going to have a lunatic fringe, and no amount of counter-lunacy is going to change their minds. Screw 'em. They don't have to matter. But the folks who empower them? Those are people we can go after. And we are, and it works.

[Gwynbleidd]

I've been waiting since Guildfall for another thread like this to be created. Hold on, let me go grab a couch so I can sit back and bask in the warmth of the civil and rational discussion that will be brought forth…

Sincerely, I do actually hope there will be a civil discussion.

[Vilageidiotx]

[Nilesapa]

What... Sorry I was too distracted by some of the sigs and avatars in this thread to hear what the dude with the speech impediment was saying. What's important about this?

Since if this is just more of that silly polarizing toxic attention grabbing, blogger stroking, tabloid stuffing, anger pandering, single minded, overly sensationalizing, hot air filled, community breaking meme that is the eFeminism debacle, I have no interest.

As for vilage's fears of resurgent reactionaries- meh, just a bunch of people flinging digital hot air at each other and acting like it's a big deal. This stuff is cyclical, it gets intense that cools down time in and time out since it's just a massive time wasting farce. You're better off playing video games really.