[OOC] [Ranked] 2 v 2 battle! Reapers Vs Champions; A Dance of Blades!

[MelonHead]

Actually, a completely silent warrior with a huge sword is definitely more terrifying. I can't think of any other characters in Arena at the moment with the same dynamic. You might find it boring, that's your opinion, I know I'd be unnerved by something that inhuman attacking me, or even fighting alongside me, however. That was what I was hoping to create, sorry that it was so adverse to your personal taste that you feel like lecturing me on creating a better character.

[GreivousKhan]

Actually, a completely silent warrior with a huge sword is definitely more terrifying. I can't think of any other characters in Arena at the moment with the same dynamic. You might find it boring, that's your opinion, I know I'd be unnerved by something that inhuman attacking me, or even fighting alongside me, however. That was what I was hoping to create, sorry that it was so adverse to your personal taste that you feel like lecturing me on creating a better character.

@MelonHead

The silent type is played to death.

Just the idea that Judgment could be replaced with a Sword and knee would actually change nothing so far.

[Vordak]

Actually, a completely silent warrior with a huge sword is definitely more terrifying. I can't think of any other characters in Arena at the moment with the same dynamic.

@MelonHead

Meats Ghol. I was thinking of revamping him sometime, since i fancy that character type as well.

[MelonHead]

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The silent type is played to death.

@GreivousKhan

Not on RPG. The wise cracking Anti-Hero is the flavour of the month.

[GreivousKhan]

Also I had to do a 13 hour shift yesterday and was to dead tired to bother even checking on here.

[MelonHead]

@Vordak Can I just point out that from what I've read there is no indication that Khan's character has the ability to generate a complete view of the area around him by 'seeing' through these soul things in his CS. Looks a lot like meta-gaming to me.

[GreivousKhan]

To move things on, Tordor is not seeing through these souls per-say. He has a supernatural awareness of his surroundings, kind of similar to Clockworks magic sight. A moot point anyway, since they can just translate what they see, and the absence of it would not change anything about my post mechanically since he already knows IM character is coming (hence the false strike in the first place). Though where it's written it kind of looks like the black blood (or nether) is the medium from which he perceives his environment.

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His experience with nether and training have also given him unnatural reaction speeds as well as a unique awareness of his surroundings. His sense of smell and hearing are only slightly above average for a human, however. It should be noted that due to the mutations of the black blood, Tordor does not require full eyes to see, nor ears to hear due to his state of undeath.

In role-playing games, metagaming is an "out of character" action where a player's character makes use of knowledge that the player is aware of but that the character is not meant to be aware of. Metagaming while taking part in relatively competitive games, or those with a more serious tone, is typically not well received, because a character played by a metagamer does not act in a way that reflects the character's in-game experiences and back-story.

[MelonHead]

Vordak can judge on that, tenuous at best, unique awareness in that context seems to be in regards to his ability to hear without ears and see without eyes, it doesn't say anything about being able to see all angles at all times. Therefore, your character is using your OOC knowledge that Nobody is charging out of cover behind him to react at extreme speed, considering his character's main attribute is speed (and therefore from a T1 standpoint should rightly have a speed advantage over every other character here.)

That would also be nothing like the Clockwork Man's sight, which is explicitly stated to work through the use of his magic eye. It does not give him extrasensory views of the areas outside of his normal sight arc, which is another ability altogether.

[GreivousKhan]

Vordak can judge on that, tenuous at best, unique awareness in that context seems to be in regards to his ability to hear without ears and see without eyes, it doesn't say anything about being able to see all angles at all times. Therefore, your character is using your OOC knowledge that Nobody is charging out of cover behind him to react at extreme speed, considering his character's main attribute is speed (and therefore from a T1 standpoint should rightly have a speed advantage over every other character here.)

That would also be nothing like the Clockwork Man's sight, which is explicitly stated to work through the use of his magic eye. It does not give him extrasensory views of the areas outside of his normal sight arc, which is another ability altogether.

@MelonHead

How did he know I was behind him in the last multiverse then?

Also Nobody's character was to his right, not behind him.

[MelonHead]

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How did he know I was behind him in the last multiverse then?

@GreivousKhan

Forgot that fight is still actually on the site, quick look seems to suggest I used his -advanced- technomagic (this was the upgraded Clockwork Man, who didn't have the magic eye any more) to detect your character's equipment after you tried to scan him. He then had a lock which saved him when you tried to ambush him from behind, but only just, if your character had a longer range weapon to attack with he probably couldn't have turned in time, despite me saying he was prepared for the attack in the previous post.

[ImportantNobody]

(Don't have time to fact check or discuss this until after work but this may or may not be relevant so might as well post now)

I don't remember him being able to absorb other people's energy in his sheet (this fact is the most likely to be wrong in my argument), so the way it seems in the post, couldn't he just be absorbing people's fireballs and stuff left and right? It seems to be near instantaneous because of how fast she sprung up on him unless he was able to drain her shields from a distance the entire time. If it was instantaneous, that seems pretty overpowered unless it wasn't able to draw as much energy from her as I'm imagining in that brief moment.

[GreivousKhan]

(Don't have time to fact check or discuss this until after work but this may or may not be relevant so might as well post now)

I don't remember him being able to absorb other people's energy in his sheet (this fact is the most likely to be wrong in my argument), so the way it seems in the post, couldn't he just be absorbing people's fireballs and stuff left and right? It seems to be near instantaneous because of how fast she sprung up on him unless he was able to drain her shields from a distance the entire time. If it was instantaneous, that seems pretty overpowered unless it wasn't able to draw as much energy from her as I'm imagining in that brief moment.

@ImportantNobody

Nether eats energy so it has an easier time cutting through aether. I never said it instantly destroyed her shield(not sure where you got that idea from). Whether or not the attack would break through her armor is up to you, but if I'm reading right it wasn't prepped before hand and that swing is allot stronger than the impact of a bullet.

[MelonHead]

Hmm. We might need a new judge, I guess Vordak is busy or something.

[GreivousKhan]

He was here just a moment ago.

[Vordak]

Hmm. We might need a new judge, I guess Vordak is busy or something.

@MelonHead

I'm on it. In regards Tordor's awareness of his surroundings, i believe that anything that differentiates from human must be explicitly stated in one's character sheet, so it's a no on that. Unless i've missed the part in the character sheet where it's written black on white that the souls can communicate such information to him, in which case, feel free to correct me.

[GreivousKhan]

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I'm on it. In regards Tordor's awareness of his surroundings, i believe that anything that differentiates from human must be [b]explicitly[/i] stated in one's character sheet, so it's a no on that. Unless i've missed the part in the character sheet where it's stated that the souls can communicate such information to him, in which case, feel free to correct me.
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His souls can talk to him. Anyway, it's not necessary as his back is not turned to Nobody's character. He slid his left leg back; so one side is facing Judgement and the other was facing The elf's direction. Since Nobody's character never changed what angle she was coming from (as they continued charging forward) they're on Tordors right side, hence hence the path of the blade going in a circle.

Nobody's character is fast, but Tordor had started swinging before she had even sped up plus he has reach advantage. (the false strike on Judgment was a faint to draw her in)

[MelonHead]

It is necessary, as you've been using the ability to see round corners and such and to know where Nobody's character is, which would be an important move in setting up this 'false strike' you're talking about. Nobody only leaves cover as your striking, unless your saying your character swung at Judgement on the off chance Nobody charged straight at you.

Seems unlikely to me.

Frankly, there is no way I would accept your character being able to perform that move so perfectly without a reliable way of knowing where IN is. That's what I would put to you Vordak, it seems like an attempt to get out of putting himself in a bad situation in my opinion by making it all seem pre-planned.

[Vordak]

If i am understanding it right, the only time IN attempts to break line of sight is when Lisita moves behind the pillar. Tordor would probably be able to track her movement up until she moves behind him, meaning that he may have as well been expecting an attack from behind without having to rely on additional information from the spirits (which, IMHO, shouldn't be used in combat given Khan's current description in their CS, since this would be too useful of an ability in a 2v2 fight to not be explicitly stated and even accentuated).

I'm a bit perplexed with the positioning of Tordor's and IN's characters though, so i'll read a bit more into that and form my opinion on this matter ASAP.

[GreivousKhan]

It is necessary, as you've been using the ability to see round corners and such and to know where Nobody's character is, which would be an important move in setting up this 'false strike' you're talking about. Nobody only leaves cover as your striking, unless your saying your character swung at Judgement on the off chance Nobody charged straight at you.

Seems unlikely to me.

Frankly, there is no way I would accept your character being able to perform that move so perfectly without a reliable way of knowing where IN is. That's what I would put to you Vordak, it seems like an attempt to get out of putting himself in a bad situation in my opinion by making it all seem pre-planned.

@MelonHead

How wide do you think this pillar is that it gives In's character multiple angles to come from?

And why would it be unlikely that he would expect an attack....

[MelonHead]

If i am understanding it right, the only time IN attempts to break line of sight is when Lisita moves behind the pillar. Tordor would probably be able to track her movement up until she moves behind him, meaning that he may have as well been expecting an attack from behind without having to rely on additional information from the spirits (which, IMHO, shouldn't be used in combat given Khan's current description in their CS, since this would be too useful of an ability in a 2v2 fight to not be explicitly stated and even accentuated).

I'm a bit perplexed with the positioning of Tordor's and IN's characters though, so i'll read a bit more into that and form my opinion on this matter ASAP.

@Vordak

Seems like there's a distinction though between expecting an attack and performing a sword strike so perfectly timed so that IN's character runs straight into it when the character is still behind a pillar until after it's launched. Because that's what's happening. We all just have to accept that Khan's attack on Judgement wasn't his real move and in actuality his character was launching a super spin on the off chance IN chose to attack in that exact fashion at that exact time.

I'm having trouble articulating this, if it still doesn't seem dodgy to you then we'll just have to carry on, and Khan won't be able to utilize spirit vision anymore.