[OOC] Point of Departure: World War II

[Monkeypants]

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[Willy Vereb]

Not being able to carry as much as a human means a lot for soldiers.
If you can only carry 40% of the weight that means the standard equipment of the US Marine would be a nightmare to an elf.
Mithril equipment can balance this but far from being an equal situation (it just ensures elves don't break their wrist for holding up guns that weight 4-5 or even more kilos, because they can't).
Admittedly they also use human soldiers who benefit from the mithril equipment but the lightweight metal is a bane for projectile mechanics. Lighter bullet means they penetrate less. It can be solved with composites but adding stuff would only make the manufacture more complicated which is an issue for smaller caliber ammo made in huge quantities.

The fragility of elven bones also means they're almost always dead when crashing with a plane. Survival rate can be rather low.
Being slender and less massive also quite a considerable tradeoff during melee or brawls which unlike your expectations is something which does occur a lot in combat. Not being able to take a decent hit to the countless wrong places is also an issue in this aspect.
Same for taking bullet, blast or fragment wounds. As I said, elves are fragile. Though they are way too proud to admit their weakness.

I can detail it further but I really, you were ought to connect the dots yourself.

[Deaddlife]

EDIT: Sorry, post changed while I was typing.

[Monkeypants]

Willy, no need for subtle insults.

The weaknesses are quite negligible. Being lighter, faster, insane senses, requiring less food, very long lives..

Just because they cannot carry as much as a human really means little in the long run.

But It honestly doesn't matter, should they be accepted then they'll be acknowledged in the united states as part of the world, no exceptions.

Also, I read your history twice to be sure. Obviously humans play a major role in your history in mainly negative ways. Do the elves have a distrust for humans? Reclusive for the most part or are they more open?

[Meiyuuhi]

If you guys are going to use Yamatai and Yllendthyr, then I might as well...

Please discard my earlier nation sheet, I'll use this one.

+Nation Name: Proletarii Respublika iz Kataylabinsk (People's Republic of Kataylabinsk or PRK)
Demonym (describing an individual of or something belonging to the nation): Kataylan

+Leader: Premier Commissar Yekaterina Velikaya

+Allegiance: Communist International (Comintern)

+Government: Socialist Republic. The foremost leader is the Premier Commissar or Premier, and there is a Supreme Worker's Council made up of an upper house of the following:
Agricultural Commissar: Vasiliy Filatov
Industrial Commissar: Vyacheslav Starovolkov
Welfare Commissar: Angela Garanina
Energy Commissar: Leonid Marinkin
Political Commissar: Anton Chepurin
Foreign Commissar: Miroslav Yerkhov
Justice Commissar: Tatiana Mashir
Intelligence Commissar: Anjelika Adraneda
Treasury Commissar: Adam Aleyev
War Commissar: Vladimir Emin
Transportation Commissar: Daria Trufanova
Health Commissar: Irina Kilesso
Education Commissar: Aleksei Sadykov
All of these positions are elected by the people working in the various industries, namely teachers for education, soldiers for war, farmers for agriculture, in order to represent their interests to the upper house. The terms for these and for the lower house are five years each. The lower house is represented proportionally by population, and functions similarly to the government of the United Kingdom by which different parties or factions are elected to different proportions of the house. Parties which are labeled "anti-socialist" are not allowed to compete for office. Laws and decisions must pass with a majority vote through both houses, and must be approved by the Executive Commissar unless they have an overriding majority of 75%. This allows the Premier Commissar almost complete control over the final decisions.

+Economy: The economic system of the PRK is a market socialist economy (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_socialism) in which farms, factories, and industries are owned cooperatively by the workers that work in them, electing managers democratically. The Agricultural, Industrial, Energy, and Transportation Commissars make up a Central Planning Board that helps to coordinate these cooperatives towards the best interests of the nation, though the primary economic power is held by the workers. Certain of the highest-level industries, mostly those dealing with weapons manufacture, are handled exclusively by the state.
The People's Republic of Kataylabinsk is heavily industrialized, but its economy is primarily centered around chemical manufacture and processing and electronics rather than machinery or manufactured goods, being a prime exporter of plastic, helium, artificial fertilizer, various types of fuels, radios and other simple electronics.

+History: In their previous world for about 1500 years, the Kataylabinsk Imperium stood as one of the proudest and most powerful nations. However, in the century leading up to present, following the loss of their colonies, the Imperium decayed politically and economically, unable to adjust to modern life. In its decayed state, the Kataylabinsk Imperium was an feudal monarchy in which the Emperor was merely a figurehead and the interests of petty nobles and a rising capitalist class took precedence. While the Imperium made great technological advances thanks to this partnership of state and industry, barely maintaining pace with the rest of the world, it was unable to function as an effective polity. Despite this progress, the workers of the Kataylabinsk Imperium became increasingly disillusioned with the state of affairs as their hours grew longer and safety regulations virtually disappeared. Very little would likely have happened, however, without the interference of the new Empress, crowned sixteen years ago, who quickly built up support among both the peasantry and the industrial workers for her sympathy towards their plight. With a great deal of diplomatic intrigue, she effectively performed a coup to end the feudal system and remove all capitalist influence from the government.
Having been secretly exposed to the books of Kalyrnan (the premier socialist activist in Kataylabinsk) by her uncle, the Empress became a dedicated socialist and upon achieving her coup announced the dissolution of the Imperium and the formation of a People's Republic, believing it better for the people to not have a monarchy at all. However, this decision firmly cemented her popularity and in a marvelous manipulation of events, she was elected the first Premier Commissar of the PRK. She has since then increased her nation's military forces to a significantly greater size, began an extensive spy network to support worker's revolutionary movements in other countries, and opened her nation's borders to refugees and dissenters from across the world.

+Culture: The PRK is a multinational state with a lot of diverse cultures, however the majority of citizens are Kataylan and so the majority of culture tends to revolve around them. They welcome communists and socialists from around the world, as well as any who feel persecuted for any reason, so their culture tends to be a little bit of everything.

+Military: The PRK lacks any tanks or mechanized warfare technology, and so mainly utilizes other methods of remaining competitive on the ground. Most notable among these are their MPRPs (Man-Portable Rocket Projectiles) which are carried in small numbers by most infantry regiments for use if they come into contact with enemy armored formations. These help Kataylan ground forces achieve military parity with armor-supplemented forces, especially in the numbers of troops which the PRK is able to send at their enemies.
A second unique aspect of the Kataylan military forces is that they utilize war-trained elephants, armored and outfitted with a small 40mm cannon that fires thermite rounds to disable enemy tanks. These elephants are resistant to machine-gun bullets up to .45 caliber, but tank rounds will quickly kill them, so their effectiveness relies on being able to shoot first.
Their ground forces mostly utilize rifles supplemented by submachine guns and light machine guns, which are carried by two people. They usually carry two of each of fragmentation grenades, thermite grenades, and mixed explosive/napalm grenades.
The PRK primarily utilizes Katalusha rocket artillery for the ground support role, which is slightly less accurate but significantly more deadly thanks to the explosive napalm warheads each salvo contains. The other main drawback of these artillery is the long reload time between launches.
The Kataylan navy is the pride of the People's Republic. Though all of its ships are coal-fueled, they boast considerable power and speed, and are equipped with the latest in composite alloy armor. Every ship has installed radar and relatively recent sonar systems for detecting submarines. However, due to their mostly landlocked position their navy is fairly small.
The Kataylan air force was primarily based on airships, but as the realities of modern warfare became clearer they were forced to purchase aircraft from other countries to supplement their currently existing forces, and so they now use a hybrid of the two. Their airships are however some of the most advanced in the world, utilizing a bulletproof plastic fiber called Kievar.

+Location: An exact replacement for the USSR.

[Voltus_Ventus]

Started work on a Navy tab and completed the army.

Also *facepalms* I thought I was done with Kataylabinsk, Yamatia and those damn elves...

[Iluvatar]

@Iluvatar I see that you have Newfoundland as one of your territories, I was wondering if you'd give it up as I'm writing an NS for it, it may also involve giving up New Brunswick, Nova Scotia and prince Edward Island.

@Voltus_Ventus

Go ahead. But remember you are still technically under the authority of the British Empire (in theory), as a Dominion.

[Iluvatar]

Updated app, with the Military section complete and embellished with a bit of background.

+Nation Name: The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (core territories), the British Empire
+Leader: King George VI, Prime Minister Winston Churchill
+Allegiance: Allied Powers. War began once Nazi Germany invaded Poland, which had a defensive pact with the United Kingdom. Although British opinion was against war, once the danger presented by Germany became clear in the lead up to the conflict, the government took measures to rearm and bolster the French. These ultimately succeeded in saving the British Isles from invasion, but could not save any of Britain's continental allies.
+Government: Unitary Parliamentary Constitutional Monarchy (UK), Colonial Empire
+Military: The British military is large and diverse, consisting primarily of native British troops and Indians. Commonwealth forces are under overall British command and play an important role.

The Royal Navy is the largest in the world, consisting of many battleships, frigates, and a number of aircraft carriers, amongst other vessels. This force is scattered around the globe, with largest forces present in the North Atlantic and to a lesser extent in South East Asia.

The United Kingdom and its Empire wields a potent airforce, swelled in size and power with the advent of mass conscription and 'total war' production across both the British Isles and the Imperial holdings. The Commonwealth has assisted the British here also - Canada alone has contributed over 30 squadrons of aircraft. Most of the aircraft used are somewhat outdated compared to the other powers of the time, but more advanced models such as the Spitfire and Hurricane, as well as Lancaster Bombers, are replacing the older aeroplanes.

The British army is neither the largest nor the most well-equipped force in the world, but stands among the greatest nonetheless. Since the evacuation at Dunkirk, the United Kingdom's army has grown exponentially with conscription, and has been locked in conflict with the Italians in North Africa since the Fall of France. Although British soldiers make up a large part of the Army, Britain draws much of its force from its colonies, particularly India (34 infantry divisions, for example). Its tanks are capable and a force to be reckoned with, but are by no means as technologically advanced as its German and American counterparts, for example.

Overall, Britain's strengths lie in the Royal Navy and the vast resources and manpower it can draw from its Dominions and the Empire. Its weaknesses come from its inability to fight on all fronts and protect the entire Empire at once, and its dependence on the United States for supplies and loans.

+Current Deployment of Forces: Scattered across the globe. Significant concentration of forces in North Africa, the British Isles, and India. Limited forces in Sub-Saharan Africa and South-East Asia. Aircraft concentrated in Europe.

+Territories:

British Empire, December 1941

Please bear in mind that some small islands, such as the Falklands, have been missed out by oversight. Please regard these also as British territories

Also, I have assented to the alternative Dominion of Newfoundland being RPed, so include Newfoundland as a separate nation but still as a Dominion of the British Commonwealth.

[Iluvatar]

Btw, over the course of this RP, I will attempt to keep the British Empire from following its path IOTL - i.e.., decline and fall. So you may see the Brits standing up more to the Americans, being more forceful in colonial matters, and managing resources in a more conservative manner. May also take the opportunity to assassinate Charles de Gaulle, before the British can learn to hate him. Perhaps that counts as a favour?

Oh, and I am actually British. So expect patriotism and maybe even a touch of jingoism :3

[ClocktowerEchos]

Started work on a Navy tab and completed the army.

Also *facepalms* I thought I was done with Kataylabinsk, Yamatia and those damn elves...

@Voltus_Ventus

You will never escape us until you become one of us!

*Chants "one of us"*

Also, you misspelled Yamatai >.>

@Mihndar
Time for glorious Soviet music for the masses!

Also, to @Willy Vereb and Mihndar, will we be using the relations between our nations as they were originally or have them be altered? Since this version of Yamatai is significantly more open than the older iteration.

[Iluvatar]

Sorry for posting four times in quick succession, but I'd just like to add that I don't really want to have to give up India. Perhaps parts of it, but I need the manpower and resources to sustain the Empire, so the majority must stay British, if that's okay.

[Voltus_Ventus]

<Snipped quote by Voltus_Ventus>

Go ahead. But remember you are still technically under the authority of the British Empire (in theory), as a Dominion.

@Iluvatar

Not quite, as a Sovereign Dominion Newfoundland has complete self-governance, however in times of war they are obliged to support the United Kingdoms, though with complete control over there own troops unless they expressly say otherwise.

[SgtEasy]

@Monkeypants

I think leaving the Philippines as a sovereign state is good. But I think we should kind of lessen down the atrocities that America afflicted upon the Filipino people. 200,000 to 250,000 civilians dead, the scorched earth campaigns, extermination of villages and concentration camps is something that most people wouldn't forget.

A soldier from New York: "The town of Titatia was surrendered to us a few days ago, and two companies occupy the same. Last night one of our boys was found shot and his stomach cut open. Immediately orders were received from General Wheaton to burn the town and kill every native in sight; which was done to a finish. About 1,000 men, women and children were reported killed. I am probably growing hard-hearted, for I am in my glory when I can sight my gun on some dark skin and pull the trigger."

Not to say that the Filipinos didn't do anything. Most captured American soldiers were buried or burned alive, tortured most of the time. Our relationship is going to be uneasy at best. But if the Americans have toned it down a little, we can sort out the Philippines as a sovereign state, sure.

@Iluvatar

We also need to sort out the fact that the Sultan of Johor has never met Queen Victoria, meaning that Ibram had never supported the British Crown. Which means that.......

I think that choosing the United Thai-Phil-Malay State was a bit more complicated than I thought XD

[Monkeypants]

@SgtEasy

I'm perfectly fine toning down the atrocities. Also, feel free to add in that the united states supplied arms, light tanks, m2 - light tanks being the majority. And of course some P40 warhawks.

All yours!

And ill maintain a force, albeit smaller than historic ones as your nation would be capable of self defense at this point.

[mrambo90]

New Republic of China

+Nation Name:New Republic of China
+Leader:Shi Yun-Jing
+Allegiance:Allies
+Government:Constitutional Republic
+History:During the Chinese civil war Soldiers of the Nationalist Revolutionary Army sick of the horrifying amounts of losses caused by incompetent and corrupt leaders and high ranking officials and general disregard of the ideas of a republic and mistreatment of peasants. Officers and enlisted soldiers with peasants help formed into a massive army stealing equipment and supplies from the NRA and slowly began building during late 1930. Taking advantage of the of government watching the communist closely due to their counter insurgency,January,3rd,1934 1 million New Republic of China troops Seized land and more equipment with foreign aid from the united states and the British Empire and formed the borders of the new nation.One week later the first official vote took place electing Shi Yun-jing the first president for a four year term, and the Creation of their constitution. Over the next three years NRA attempted 3 counter offensives and were turned away by NROC forces with medium casualties holding their border. December,18th,1937 NROC announced it would fight along side the NRA and CPC armies to defend china and were involved in multiple battles along their borders against Axis forces over the years leading up to Dec,8th,1941 being surrounded on three sides by enemies or untrustworthy allies.
+Culture:The New Republic of china prides itself on a corruption free government compared to it's brother governments with death for any caught in the act of any standing, and bringing back Sun Yat-sen's three principles of the people and equal and fair treatment of all.The NROC tried to concentrated their industrial efforts to replicate the United state industry but on a smaller scale in their nation's territory and bought a large sum of U.S. military and industry equipment.
+Military:New Republic of China Formed by soldiers took a different approach, rather than a massive million man poorly trained,poorly equipped,and non existent morale conscription based Army and and non existent Air force they formed a well trained,well equipped,well motivated professional army and a small Air Force.The Army was based of the structure of the U.S. Army and the Air Force after the Army Air Corps and small light tank force,with no navy they have fortresses along the coast line filled with coastal guns

NROC Army: The Army Maintains a well equipped single Active Army group of 700,000 men in total Equipped with Olive Drab uniforms and Brodie Helmets with purchased used US World War 1 equipment and field packs.They are Armed with a M1903 Springfield Bolt Action Rifles,M1917 Enfield,M1 Garand,Browning Automatic Rifle,Browning 1919,ZB Vz.30,Colt 1911,they have a multitude of Artillery and heavy machine guns with light mortars.They hand 200 purchased British Cruiser tanks.They use primarily mountain Infantry and light infantry tactics. Three Reservist Army Groups equipped with tan uniforms and armed with Hanyang Type 88 rifles and are trained as basic infantry.

NROC Air force:The Air force is small and but skilled at interception of bombers and swift small retaliatory strikes since it contains no heavy bombers.
40x Curtiss Hawk Model 75

NROCAF Hawk Model 75

20x Curtiss P-40 Warhawks

NROCAF Curtiss P-40 Warhawks

40x Douglas SBD-2 Dauntless

NROCAF Douglas SBD-2 Dauntless

15x Douglas TBD Devastator

NROCAF Douglas TBD Devastator

100x T-6 Texan

NROCAF T-6 Texan

Location:

New Republic of China December,8th,1941

Scratch this Idea

[Meiyuuhi]

@mrambo90

I'd reduce the amount that's colored in your post but it looks pretty good to me.

[Monkeypants]

Just noticed, no axis powers!!

[SgtEasy]

+Nation Name:
United Federated Thailand-Philippines-Malay States or UFS for short.

+Leader:
President Miguel Mendoza

+Allegiance:
Allies

+Government:
Democracy

+History:
In this version of alternate history, the Philippines, Malaysia and Thailand formed an alliance in order to repel and protect each sovereign nation's residents and independence. In 1898, when Emilio Aguinaldo saw the unabridged version of the Proclamation of Assimilation, he reached out for his long time allies in South East Asia. Chulalongkorn the Great of Thailand and the Malay King of Johor, Sultan Abu Bakar Ibni Al-Marhum Tun Temenggung Raja Daing Ibrahim, responded to his calls for independence. Thailand has never been invaded by any other state while the Malay people have fallen, leaving only the Kingdom of Johor independent from British or Dutch rule. In this timeline, Sultan Abu Bakar didn't travel to Britain, only traveling to France, Germany and other states in Europe. As a result, Abu Bakar had never befriended Queen Victoria. The Kingdom of Johor is the last of the Malay governed state.

Both of these powers expressed their concerns over the invasion of the Philippines, Chulalongkorn because of the obvious threat of America and Sultan Abu Bakar Ibrahim because of Western influence in South-East Asia. But due to the fact that America by this point has become a very powerful state, if they showed support now, the Kingdom of Siam and Johor is in threat.

Due to this, the Americans continued to invade the Philippines. After six months, the invasion was over. Due to the key defeats in Manila, Ilo Ilo and in the island of Mindanao, the whole of the Philippines fell under American rule. Astonishingly, the Philippines thrived under USA rule, and eventually in 1909, the Philippines gained sovereignty

Gaining military supply and a small, but noteworthy, attachment of troops. With it's newfound independence, the Philippines built up its army. Aguinaldo also renewed old alliances, allying with the Malay Kingdom of Johor and the Kingdom of Siam. By 1914, due to the recession of the British from Malay, the United Force swept through Malay, taking over. As the three states intertwined with each other, they eventually formed into one state by 1930. With US supplied arms and weaponry, the UFS became a powerful force in a limited amount of time.

Of course, not everything was fine and dandy. The island of Bali, a heavily Hindu influenced state in the Malay islands, has shown resistance against the UFS. Progress has been slow and painful, the number of heavily fortified camps on the island seemed innumerable and the losses is climbing. The Muslims in the island of Mindanao have also opposed to being part of the UFS, refusing to become one with a state that they claim "are sucking up to Western influence." A number of terrorist groups have been founded in Mindanao, the most prominent being MILF.

On the eve of World War 2, the UFS proclaimed it's alliance with the Allies.

+Culture:
The UFS is an extremely diverse state, with different religions like Catholicism, Hinduism, the Muslim religion, Buddhism and many more. Due to the nature of how it was made, the UFS are proud of the fact that their are no religious, racial or any segregation in the state. The UFS have a lot of hate of colonialism (which is quite hypocritical because of the situation in Bali and Mindanao) which is due to the fact that two of the former States in the UFS have been conquered by an outside power.

+Military:
The UFS military is heavily reliant on guerrilla tactics, traps, tactical retreats and tracking. Due to their sparse Air Force, the UFS relies more on their navy and their numerous troops. In Europe, you will never see a group of UFS soldiers larger than a company, due to the fact the soldiers do not work well in a clumped group, marching in formation and waiting to their death. They are more likely to spread out, in various strike formations, and set up traps for the enemy to come to them. A lot of the men going to Europe, a select few I might add, have already experienced warfare of some kind in the form of Bali. With the few Light Tanks they have, the UFS hold them dearly and only attach them to very experienced companies.

Soldiers are equipped with M1 Garands and Thompsons. The UFS is very light infantry based. Soldiers wear light environmental camouflage (it depends where the soldier is fighting), metal capped boots, and a beret. Most put face paint on while a sadistic few wear dark red demon masks to intimidate or frighten the opponent. Alongside their primary weapons they have .45 pistols, grenades and rope. They have various tracking tools.

The UFS Navy on the other hand is a different matter entirely. Due to the possible threat of Japan, the navy needs to be strong. While the UFS was powerful, it ain't a superpower and it couldn't sustain carriers or any type of submarines. Instead, the Navy focuses more on fast Light Attack boat squadrons escorting single Battleships. The Battleship more or less serves as a protection to the smaller ships who will try and board the other ships. Of course, this strategy is not always effective. Sometimes, you will see three or maybe four of these Battleships hammering the enemy while the Attack Boats swarm the various ships.

+Location:
Malaysia, Thailand and the Philippines

Excluding Bali and Mindanao

[Willy Vereb]

I plan to completely overhaul my profile. I made my previos NS in a hurry and it shows.
@Queen Raidne
Are you still fine with my race's attributes?
Some people worded their worry about the elves.
I can change almost anything with them but it would also change how I need to play them.

Started work on a Navy tab and completed the army.

Also *facepalms* I thought I was done with Kataylabinsk, Yamatia and those damn elves...

@Voltus_Ventus

Don't worry this time I am going to introduce the full name of the emperor in old elvish, no hiders included.
It'd only take roughly 2000 words so I am sure you can bear with it.

[SgtEasy]

I plan to completely overhaul my profile. I made my previos NS in a hurry and it shows.
@Queen Raidne
Are you still fine with my race's attributes?
Some people worded their worry about the elves.
I can change almost anything with them but it would also change how I need to play them.

<Snipped quote by Voltus_Ventus>Don't worry this time I am going to introduce the full name of the emperor in old elvish, no hiders included.
It'd only take roughly 2000 words so I am sure you can bear with it.

@Willy Vereb

Wait. Elves? Fuck.