[OOC] Nexus of Worlds- Darkness Rising- A Guild Tournament

[ImportantNobody]

Good. Shin is single. Seems like a perfect match for Ruchette. :P

[Skallagrim]

Hey Skallagrim, did you mean to post the battleground bit in the OOC of the thread? Merely asking out of curiosity.

@yoshua171

I do everything for a reason. Yes it is there so you can discuss the field with your opponent if questions arise without mucking up the IC.

[yoshua171]

Ah, mmnk coolio. Smart choice then ^_^

[MelonHead]

Battlefields are usually posted in OOC, at least in my experience. The Battlefield as it stands is OOC, IC is how your character perceives it.

Plus all the technical info of the battlefield doesn't really fit in IC.

[Vordak]

Since i think i'll have to rebalance the initial version of my character, could everyone please give me an idea of what you consider your own most powerful attack?

No need for any details, if you want to keep that secret, just a measure of said attack's strength, so i could know what the upper limit for my characters' durability should be. It's one of his major abilities, so i'd naturally want to tone it down as little as possible, unless there's a good reason to do otherwise.

[MelonHead]

Since i think i'll have to rebalance the initial version of my character, could everyone please give me an idea of what you consider your own most powerful attack?

No need for any details, if you want to keep that secret, just a measure of said attack's strength, so i could know what the upper limit for my characters' durability should be. It's one of his major abilities, so i'd naturally want to tone it down as little as possible, unless there's a good reason to do otherwise.

@Vordak

I don't understand, I assumed characters were all final now.

[Skallagrim]

They are. Vordak feels he is too strong so I told him how to rebalance it. Reduce your strength everything else is fine.

[MelonHead]

Well, that really depends on the nature of your character's durability. For reference my opponent's character is impervious to basic physical assault, so punching, kicking, shooting, stabbing, none of that would work against them, and for the record their main attribute is actually speed. So if your character's main attribute is durability then you might as well make yourself rock-solid, no physical attack can damage you past high-ordinance, and magic has to pass through a barrier.

[Vordak]

Well, the way i have him now, Ijok is impervious to any purely magical influence - fire summoned by magical means, or an earthbending attack will hurt him all the same, but something like Metz's Death Hand would be quickly nullified.

And to top that, he can harden the entirety of his body up to the point where it is just as tough as boron carbide - albeit, 4 times denser. If you cut off part of his body, he can just re-attach it, and the only ways you can permanently damage him is by hitting him in his weak spot, which is a grapefruit sized crystal ball protected by his body, and by burning him, which would require either potent chemicals, or prolonged exposure to temperatures of 1500 celcius and higher for any noticeable effect, even plasma as hot as 6000 degrees burning only 10-20% of his total body mass in the span of second.

To top that, he can throw punches at about 120-150 m/s (about 500 feet per second), containing over a million joules of force, and sprint at 80 m/s, which is far more than Shin is capable of, even though he is a melee superiority fighter as well.

When i was thinking mid-tier, i expected there to be characters who pick their teeth with with loaded guns and wrestle dragons to death before breakfast, so i made him very strong compared to my usual characters.

[MelonHead]

Well, the way i have him now, Ijok is impervious to any purely magical influence - fire summoned by magical means, or an earthbending attack will hurt him all the same, but something like Metz's Death Hand would be quickly nullified.

And to top that, he can harden the entirety of his body up to the point where it is just as tough as boron carbide - albeit, 4 times denser. If you cut off part of his body, he can just re-attach it, and the only ways you can permanently damage him is by hitting him in his weak spot, which is a grapefruit sized crystal ball protected by his body, and by burning him, which would require either potent chemicals, or prolonged exposure to temperatures of 1500 celcius and higher for any noticeable effect, even plasma as hot as 6000 degrees burning only 10-20% of his total body mass in the span of second.

To top that, he can throw punches at about 120-150 m/s (about 500 feet per second), containing over a million joules of force, and sprint at 80 m/s, which is far more than Shin is capable of, even though he is a melee superiority fighter as well.

When i was thinking mid-tier, i expected there to be characters who pick their teeth with with loaded guns and wrestle dragons to death before breakfast, so i made him very strong compared to my usual characters.

@Vordak

Yeah you were way off, this is a low powered tournament, that's a high powered character. If you had anything resembling an exploitable weakness it would probably be alright, but you don't really. T3-4 is Vampire/Werewolf level stats.

I'm really unsure how you managed to miss the mark so significantly to be honest, didn't it occur to you that you might be making a high-powered bordering on demi-god while writing that temperatures hotter than the sun would still take up to five seconds to burn through your character?

[LeeRoy]

@Vordak To be entirely fair, I didn't write this into his sheet because it should be understood after 300 years of training. But Shin's greatest strength is his combat mastery, rather than his physical ability. His physical ability is the icing on the proverbial cake.

He's a combination of Batman and Bruce Lee, if both of them had 300 years to train.

[yoshua171]

Hmmm. Well, Raelis, who is his opponent can generate essentially any amount of heat. However, his body can only stand up to 100 degrees. His armor protects him from much of his heat's damaging effects so he can have the heat around him reach up to around 150-200 degrees Fahrenheit before his armor reaches its limit and starts to heat very quickly.

His sword is totally immune to heat in that it will never melt and can thus reach incredible temperatures. However, after reaching 200 degrees the core of the blade starts transmitting energy to the handle, which will then start heating up and thus heat up his gauntlets. Notably his gauntlets can handle up to 1000 degrees Fahrenheit so his blade can get pretty damn hot before he has to worry.

So yeah...if I can't damage you via normal means AND I can't damage you with heat then the battle would be pretty much pointless. The only way I'd win would be by somehow restraining your character, which doesn't sound likely even with raelis being able to lift/move/throw almost 2,500 lbs (6 times his own weight with armor on) and move at 200 mph in flight or 761 mph (speed of sound) if he dives.

So the most powerful thing Raelis could probably do would be the following.

Go into the air, use Maelstrom to whip up a vortex of wind. Have already heated his blade up to 1000 degrees (F) and then mimic that heat in the vortex, then dive bomb down at his opponent and use that as an attack.

[MelonHead]

My character is a massive glass cannon, he has an incredibly limited amount of time to unleash a lot of devastation, and can be killed easily in physical combat, almost as easily as a regular human. With that in mind and all the sacrifices my character's made in other stats in order to maximise his damage potential, he'd still be completely unable to damage that character, while also being killed in a single punch.

My advice, remove the majority of your magic resistance, having passive near immunity to a wide range of magical effects is BS at this tier level. Reduce the damage of his hits, or reduce your movement speed, because at the moment your character is fast while also packing an insane punch while also being near impervious to harm.

Remove the BS 'weakspot' shit that no one can exploit without meta-gaming. Have your character have a highly finite amount of resources, because regenerating isn't supposed to be that efficient at this tier level. He could still be relatively impervious to physical harm such as small arms, physical blunt damage, etc, but he must still be harmed by prepped physical attacks and explosives.

That's how I would balance it anyway, ultimately it's up to Skallagrim how you balance a character that's not really weak in any particular physical stat while also being highly durable and resistant to magic of pretty much every kind.

[LeeRoy]

Remove the BS 'weakspot' shit that no one can exploit without meta-gaming.

@MelonHead

@Vordak Weak Spots only work in three situations, and all three are high tiered:

Squishy regenerators who have a weakspot that is exposed either through damage or is a requirement for offensive abilities.
Example- The Devils from the MegaMan series of games.

Incredibly slow and tanky bruisers who have only one obvious and tremendously exposed weakness.
Example- The Colossi from Shadow of the Colossus.

Overall perfect characters with a Master-of-All-Trades sort of balance about them, with the source of their power being their weak spot.
Example- Meta-Ridley from Metroid. (Kind of.)

[Vordak]

I think i'll just severely limit his durability, heat resistance, speed and strength instead. The magical resistance ties is with his backstory, and the regeneration is an offshoot of his main ability, which i wouldn't want to change - polymorphy.

The reason why i stressed durability so much is because he has no weapons other than his body, so if he wouldn't be able to harden it enough, Ijok wouldn't be able to use any form of bladed weapon.

His weakspot couldn't be more obvious, as his entire body, save for the weakspot, which glows with an orange light, is transparent and clear. Plus, it's bleeding magical energy, so for anybody who can detect it, it would be an easy guess that it's the main source of his power.

And again, fireballs and the like will work just fine. It's only magic that does not have any physical carrier, being purely energy based, that he can resist.

[MelonHead]

Do you not realise how having only one single spot -inside your superhumanly hard- body, presumably not even a large one, as the only spot on your character that can be reliably damaged is overpowered? Humans can be cut and bled out, poisoned, suffocated, knocked out, debilitated from attacks to almost any part of their body with enough force, frozen, boiled, burned, electrocuted, blinded, deafened and just outright beaten up. Your character has literally none of these weaknesses, despite T2 being within human capabilities. So taking for granted you're making a verrrry high end T4 character, you've cut out every single exploitable weakness and replaced it with a glowing light protected by what I can only assume is the shell of a tank that can regenerate to boot.

It's so fucking easy to defend one small part of your body when you can just BS your character's body regenerating over the spot as much as you like. Something like that can't be fought.

Anyway, not my problem, which is why I don't host these things.

[MelonHead]

Good luck to you Yoshua, fortunately you might be the only person here with a character type capable of defeating such an opponent, maybe.

[ImportantNobody]

@Vordak To be entirely fair, I didn't write this into his sheet because it should be understood after 300 years of training. But Shin's greatest strength is his combat mastery, rather than his physical ability. His physical ability is the icing on the proverbial cake.

He's a combination of Batman and Bruce Lee, if both of them had 300 years to train.

@LeeRoy

Sounds like I'll have fun.

Jk He really does seem like a cool character

[Skallagrim]

Vordak's character is not that tough and he is exploitable. I would rather you guys trusted my judgement on characters and their acceptance instead of questioning every time YOU feel they are unfair.

[Vordak]

While it does irk me that you chose to disregard me saying that i'll severely limit his durability, all in all, it would indeed be too much of a pain in the ass to try and fit him in a lower tier. I'll forfeit from this tournament and search for another fight instead, since i don't think re-balancing Ijok will work out, and i assume that entering with an entirely new character is prohibited.

@MelonHead @Skallagrim