[OOC] The Sun Will Never Set (Reboot)

[ClocktowerEchos]

@Mihndar

I don't think anyone planned on having the Little Mermaid be reenacted on their coasts tbh.

[Willy Vereb]

I hope the underwater empire will be mostly neutral because their waters are home to some of the busiest sea routes in the entire world.
It also worths noting that I actually own 3-4 tiny islands just a thousand or kilometers away from Avalia.
It doesn't appear much on the map but it's blatantly inside the mermaid/naga race's territory now.

[Isotope]

@Serpentine88 OMG HAI SERPIE

New map!

[Serpentine88]

I have posted my nation. Its not fully done (Still need to add army and airforce info and more city and character info).

I also need to do foreign relations and history, however I need other player participation for this.

So, @Everyone else: Can you...
#1: Give me a general rundown summary of the worlds history
#2: Note any area's of history where my nation has probably been involved (Note that its been around for thousands of years)
#3: What are the likely relations in the past considering what my nation is?
#4: What are the likely current day relations?

[Willy Vereb]

I have posted my nation. Its not fully done (Still need to add army and airforce info and more city and character info).

I also need to do foreign relations and history, however I need other player participation for this.

So, @Everyone else: Can you...
#1: Give me a general rundown summary of the worlds history
#2: Note any area's of history where my nation has probably been involved (Note that its been around for thousands of years)
#3: What are the likely relations in the past considering what my nation is?
#4: What are the likely current day relations?

@Serpentine88

Being an underwater nation I think the relation between you and other races were cold until the last few centuries. When did you take interest in surface lands, anyway? Especially the one found on the main continent. That'd be the real turning point in terms of politics.
Also while humans are the most numerous one of the major colonial powers are elfish (my Heavenly Empire of Yllendthyr).
Speaking of which since my worship treats the sky and the stars as sacred symbols while your nation seems to consider the opposite I wonder if it has any impact on our relations?
Hopefully not because I technically have 3-4 tiny islands in the center of your territory (almost invisibly small dots on the map thousand or so kilometers from Avalia, my previous claim).

Also how do you manage to build cities thousands of meters underwater? Or perhaps your cities which allow human and other surface dweller visitors are closer to the shores? Could kinda make sense since otherwise building something which can withstand the water pressure would be pain. But if your people can breathe in water they don't need to seal off their buildings at all.

[Skepic]

Yeah, so.... I guess @Serpentine88's nation and mine are literally destined to be enemies. I mean, god damn. Their religion practically vilifies everything the Valkyerians stand for. I mean, sure, their are plenty of nations that are automatically despised in the eyes of Avalia, but this Sacred Empire is literally the anti-Avalia. Like, my god... there will be war the moment one of us even sneezes at each other.

Admittely, it will be the most awkward, go nowhere war, as neither of us could really touch each other... but dayum son, this definitely stirred things up.

[Serpentine88]

Being an underwater nation I think the relation between you and other races were cold until the last few centuries. When did you take interest in surface lands, anyway? Especially the one found on the main continent. That'd be the real turning point in terms of politics.

@Willy Vereb

Good question, I am mostly trying to figure out the worlds history so I can figure out when my empire started expanding onto the surface. Without any input from others though, I'd guess around 100 years ago at least (So probably between 100-400 years ago)

Also while humans are the most numerous one of the major colonial powers are elfish (my Heavenly Empire of Yllendthyr).
Speaking of which since my worship treats the sky and the stars as sacred symbols while your nation seems to consider the opposite I wonder if it has any impact on our relations?

Probably. My nation is deeply religious (And state and religion is essentially 100% fused together), though its current government is more pragmatic than usual due to its need to industrialize using foreign help. In summary: My governments current leadership is willing to pretend to tolerate the other faith but my common people and overall ruling caste (particularly the religious sects) would see your religion as a particularly deviant faith.

Hopefully not because I technically have 3-4 tiny islands in the center of your territory (almost invisibly small dots on the map thousand or so kilometers from Avalia, my previous claim).

Yeah, this is an obvious problem xD. One idea I have for why my nation hasn't done anything about it is some kind of ancient historical treaty or agreement (A land lease or concessions to some old war maybe).

Also how do you manage to build cities thousands of meters underwater? Or perhaps your cities which allow human and other surface dweller visitors are closer to the shores? Could kinda make sense since otherwise building something which can withstand the water pressure would be pain. But if your people can breathe in water they don't need to seal off their buildings at all.

The human-habitable underwater cities are indeed closer to the shore. Basically think Bioshock.

[Willy Vereb]

Yeah, so.... I guess @Serpentine88's nation and mine are literally destined to be enemies. I mean, god damn. Their religion practically vilifies everything the Valkyerians stand for. I mean, sure, their are plenty of nations that are automatically despised in the eyes of Avalia, but this Sacred Empire is literally the anti-Avalia. Like, my god... there will be war the moment one of us even sneezes at each other.

Admittely, it will be the most awkward, go nowhere war, as neither of us could really touch each other... but dayum son, this definitely stirred things up.

@Skepic

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APS_underwater_rifle
It was made in the 70s but technically most of the elements are already there.
Also yeah, it's safe to say that any warship in this setting would sport underbelly APS ball turrets to look out for fishmen attempting to plant bombs.

As for war between you and the Mesulids. They do have an air force and land posessions, even if not that much.
You can also try using modified torpedoes for bombing runs. Imagine a torpedo designed to travel downwards. Granted accuracy would be understandably poor in general since you can't even see your target.

[Serpentine88]

@Skepic Yeah, lol. When I read your sheet, I realized how we are essentially the absolute polar opposites in nearly every single way (Except economics, we both seem to be capitalist-orientated), and yeah, our military forces are polar opposite as well and would result in a stalemate... Forever...

[Skepic]

@Skepic Yeah, lol. When I read your sheet, I realized how we are essentially the absolute polar opposites in nearly every single way (Except economics, we both seem to be capitalist-orientated), and yeah, our military forces are polar opposite as well and would result in a stalemate... Forever...

@Serpentine88

I can see it now...

"Surface you damn squid! Let me ram my 38cm shell down your throat!"

"Fuck off bird! Why don't you come down here and see how much flapping those wings do for you?"

"WE DONT HAVE WINGS!"

"AND IM NOT A SQUID!"

"FUCK YOU!"

"NO, FUCK YOU, DEMON BIRD!"

"SQUID!"

[Willy Vereb]

@Serpentine88Wanna buy mithril?
Even if you don't I think mithral-derived products would be essential for your nation. You need something which can take the pressure yet also light enough to be worn by your people. Mithril's steel-like properties yet density third of steel would be ideal for this.
But well, given Yllendthr's near monopoly on mithril it's going to be really expensive, especially since you can't just melt it to other forms after use.
Mithral (precursor element of mithril) is a cheaper but also inferior alternative which you can actually produce just like one does steel. It's more commonly used as ingredient for white paint, though.

[Serpentine88]

@Willy Vereb Yeah, I already intended to buy Mithril.

Hm.... I realized how unbelievably difficult it is to find good pictures of male naga/mermaids/etc. I've found like a bajillion women but only like 3 males (That aren't horrible or have extreme gender dimorphism), at this point I am considering just going the @Darkspleen route and going full on monogender lamia.

[Willy Vereb]

@Willy Vereb Yeah, I already intended to buy Mithril.

Hm.... I realized how unbelievably difficult it is to find good pictures of male naga/mermaids/etc. I've found like a bajillion women but only like 3 males (That aren't horrible or have extreme gender dimorphism), at this point I am considering just going the @Darkspleen route and going full on monogender lamia.

@Serpentine88

Don't.
The implications of such race would be quite an issue. Just opt for not always showing pictures. I mean everyone can have a vague impression what Mesulid males are most likely be like.

My mental image on male Mesulids

[Skepic]

@Willy Vereb
Oh god.... what is... uh...

*looks again*

Noooopppe its still.... ugh...

[Serpentine88]

So, can I have a rundown of this settings history? (Major wars, etc)

@Willy Vereb: That isn't helping, lol.

[Willy Vereb]

@Serpentine88I was just pulling your leg.
Keep the sexual dimorphism for your species. Making them too different from other races would not do well for relations overall.
And just avoid using pics for the male members if it's so difficult to find a decent one.

Anyways,
http://worldoceanreview.com/en/wor-1/energy/marine-minerals/
Another interesting read for you.
Albeit polluting our own living place could be a big concern (and interesting plot element).

As for relations and past wars, there's a bit of that discussed here:
http://piratepad.net/GCX0ckPYGq

[Cyclone]

So, can I have a rundown of this settings history? (Major wars, etc)

@Willy Vereb: That isn't helping, lol.

@Serpentine88

I don't imagine that it will be helpful seeing as our nations are unlikely to interact (mine is on the other aide of the continent and barely has any naval presence), but I'll PM you to the giant sheet with all things related to Moravia's history.

Said sheet also has a lot of history on other nations as well, so maybe that will prove useful.

Edit: Nevermind, Willy posted the link already.

[Hael]

KalMea will rise again!

[Cyclone]

KalMea will rise again!

@Hael

...without Tin as its giant ISIS-buddy, unfortunately.

[Hael]

<Snipped quote by Hael>

...without Tin as its giant ISIS-buddy, unfortunately.

@Cyclone

I don't need you! I can do it all by myself! You'll see, you'll all see!

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For anyone who's confused as to who the hell I am and what KalMea is: I'm from the original RP (I had to stop RPing for several months due to personal issues), and KalMea is my most glorious country that, well, honestly just functioned as a miniature demon to Cyclone's ^^

And now I'm back. Yaaayyyy.