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Speaking of which @Belle, where's your Winter Queen CS? Can we take a look at it before the reboot?
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Accepted, but Nyx's Father would be A Fae of Fall. Mara are creatures of the Unseelie Courts for his mother to be one would be... Impossible. Falk would never permit a Fall Fae to be from his Court even one from thousands of years ago.

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Accepted, but Nyx's Father would be A Fae of Fall. Mara are creatures of the Unseelie Courts for his mother to be one would be... Impossible. Falk would never permit a Fall Fae to be from his Court even one from thousands of years ago.

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It's impossible for a fae type native to one Court to move to another? What makes a certain type of fae one Court or another anyways? It seems to me the virtues of each Court would be a personal choice not a genetic factor.

Also you might want to read that last line, I don't think that's what you meant.
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i figure Feoras would be the same.
if anything needs to be tweaked to fit better let me know
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@Prince of Seraphs Actually I take that back. Nyx's father could have been a spy from Falks court. It would make sense.
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@Prince of Seraphs Actually I take that back. Nyx's father could have been a spy from Falks court. It would make sense.


What determines which fae belong in which Court and why would they be unable to take up residence in one of the other lands?
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@Prince of Seraphs Type, generally. There is a leniency for Fae Rulers having to surrender a vassal to another Court. Or the Wild Fae. Generally Fae will stay within their Court type, Seelie/UnSeelie, and even more will remain under their ruler if the ruler is a good one. Those that flee a disliked ruler or to a different Court will generally be turned back by the border Guard as they could be spies. Most of these will become Wild Fae, outcasts, outlaws, and if their Ruler takes it in mind they will be hunted down.

Your personal choice is not always a option to the Fae. Especially to move Courts. While it is done there is suspicion about it. ESPECIALLY for a Fall to Spring, Summer to Winter and vise versa. Your going to the absolute enemy, the utter betrayal of that would make you and your kin. UNLESS a Ruler ordered it, then there is more suspicion about what you did wrong, or if you're up to something for the Ruler that ordered it.
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@Prince of Seraphs I sent it to Lady Runic and she approved it I'm just waiting for the reboot to post it
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@Belle Mind sending Winter's landscape?

@Prince of Seraphs Same question as to you as I asked Belle.
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@Prince of Seraphs Type, generally. There is a leniency for Fae Rulers having to surrender a vassal to another Court. Or the Wild Fae. Generally Fae will stay within their Court type, Seelie/UnSeelie, and even more will remain under their ruler if the ruler is a good one. Those that flee a disliked ruler or to a different Court will generally be turned back by the border Guard as they could be spies. Most of these will become Wild Fae, outcasts, outlaws, and if their Ruler takes it in mind they will be hunted down.


Sure getting a new citizenship is a near impossibility for the fae but what keeps types confined to their specific court? I don't really understand what makes one fae Fall and another Summer but assuming their is actually some logic behind that what would keep these types inside their own courts.

Fae from various courts travel to others, probably with a purpose or a goal. Maybe even on orders from their ruler but a good number of different types of fae are extremely promiscuous. While one fae might not be able to migrate easily to another court there is no reason why they might not get a fae of another court pregnant. For that matter why couldn't fae slip between the borders or use false papers to gain entree into another court. No border guard is perfect not even those of the fae and over time as those small number of fae that do get through and don't get apprehended by bounty hunters afterwards would eventually start families and their type would spread into a different court. While we're at it I was under the impression that the rulers often bartered with the lives of their servants and slaves. Like if their was a rare fae under Nyx's control Falk might offer him a trade in exchange for that fae's true name.

It's sort of like keeping Scotland, Ireland, Wales and England separate. They sort of more or less stay their self same country but there is a great deal of bleed over. Welsh in England, English is Scotland, Scottish in Ireland. You get the point.

Also going back to this exactly what makes a fae Summer, Fall, Spring or Winter. For that matter what makes a fae Seelie or Unseelie. From the folklore that I've read those distinctions have quite a bit more to do with how the fae behave rather than what they can do. I'm not sure the exact differences between the seasonal courts but as far as I'm aware Seelie only do serious harm to a human if provoke, they prefer to play play pranks on the mortals (side effects can include death but not normally the initial goal). Unseelie on the other hand go out of their way to taunt and torture humans because they find it amusing and fun. That doesn't really bring to mind a specific power set. What about a Mara or a banshee makes them specifically Fall? What about a Selkie prevents them from being apart of the Winter Court? Why can a pixie only be from Spring? I'm honestly looking for an answer because from my viewpoint it looks more or less arbitrary.
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I like to think of it like so:
Salamanders can be water or fire (I use salamanders because I understand them best and they are easiest to use for an example)
With that in mind neither fire nor water would survive in colder temperatures of winter fall or spring
They have to be kept hot and generally prefer warm temperatures

i feel like the others are similar
Some species are adapted for one environment or multiple and not others
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I like to think of it like so:
Salamanders can be water or fire (I use salamanders because I understand them best and they are easiest to use for an example)
With that in mind neither fire nor water would survive in colder temperatures of winter fall or spring
They have to be kept hot and generally prefer warm temperatures

i feel like the others are similar
Some species are adapted for one environment or multiple and not others


For simple fae like the Salamanders that makes sense but it doesn't apply to all of them and if it did that would effectively end any sort of interactions the Courts could have with one another because the emissaries couldn't survive transition. Besides Mara are apparently Fall yet mine is leading the Spring Kingdom so evidently there is no environmental problem with majority of fae crossing borders.
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@Prince of Seraphs Because while this is possible, I am not allowing it as of right now because Summer and Winter were at 'war'. They would most likely amp up their guards, leaving Spring and Fall no contact. Falk would not trade with his people, not lest it would aid especially if their going to spread their race. If they did that, they generally bring him the child to given him the name as every Fall Fae must. It's a MUST, they cannot refuse. Which brings up a problem with Nyx if his father was of Fall to give him that species, or his mother. The nightmare race is of Fall.

I am also doing it like this so when people join we don't have a lot of people flocking to one Court or the other with Fae not suited to that Court. And yes, personality comes into play. Perhaps they slip in as spies or before the War, but they cannot and will not be playable characters other than in passing.

. For that matter what makes a fae Seelie or Unseelie.


Personality. Loyalties. Courts. You choose Seelie or Unseelie and from then which Court, Summer/SPring or WInter/Fall.

It's for the ease of the RP of everyone. To stop people from flocking to one court or another fae that just won't work. I've made my mind on this and so be it.
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@Prince of Seraphs Because while this is possible, I am not allowing it as of right now because Summer and Winter were at 'war'. They would most likely amp up their guards, leaving Spring and Fall no contact. Falk would not trade with his people, not lest it would aid especially if their going to spread their race. If they did that, they generally bring him the child to given him the name as every Fall Fae must. It's a MUST, they cannot refuse. Which brings up a problem with Nyx if his father was of Fall to give him that species, or his mother. The nightmare race is of Fall.

I am also doing it like this so when people join we don't have a lot of people flocking to one Court or the other with Fae not suited to that Court. And yes, personality comes into play. Perhaps they slip in as spies or before the War, but they cannot and will not be playable characters other than in passing.

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Personality. Loyalties. Courts. You choose Seelie or Unseelie and from then which Court, Summer/SPring or WInter/Fall.

It's for the ease of the RP of everyone. To stop people from flocking to one court or another fae that just won't work. I've made my mind on this and so be it.




I suppose I can live with that. If this were a novel I doubt it wouldn't be that rigid but in this format I guess it maintains balance well enough.

If I may ask though why do the Mara specifically have to be Fall? It's not like we have an overflow of Spring Fae.
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@Prince of Seraphs Nightmare. It's a very Unseelie aspect. It could be Fall or Winter, but I would think Fall since Falk would have recruit Fae, especially Fae like the Mara.

Spring Fae actually would consist of a lot of smaller sized Fae with some large ones. And not all are as helpless as you'd think. Trust me, many shy from Spring because... Spring. Brownies, Ents, pixies, selkies, abawata, Asparas, Asrai, Bean-Nighe, Bauchan, Boggarts, Glaistig. Some are notable such as Bugul-Naz, a Fae who raises sheep and yearns for human companionship, or Jenny Greenteeth, a hag who drowns children. Their magic would be best of all the Courts at healing and nurturing.

Also, the difference between Seelie and Unseelie? Seelie have the potential to be KIND to humanity. UnSeelie are not in the least.

Also, there is the Sidhe. Which in my Lore are something of the rarest species. Their Earthly kin are about here and there and often are spread through out all the Courts but the opalescent kin? They are rare indeed. Most of them tend to hide themselves under a guise of a seasonborn Fae. It is unclear why and I am going to add this tidbit into the races part. Plot point here.

And can I get a SPring sketch of your realm from you?
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@Prince of Seraphs Nightmare. It's a very Unseelie aspect. It could be Fall or Winter, but I would think Fall since Falk would have recruit Fae, especially Fae like the Mara.


But that's just it, a single aspect. They are called Mare or Mare and while they are the root of the word Nightmare that is not all that they are. Their ability can evoke both pleasure and pain. They can feed on hope just as easily as terror. I'll be the first to admit that most Mara are not particularly virtuous people but what they can do doesn't make them that way, it is what they do with that power.

And if Falk or any other ruler can recruit a certain type of fae what is the point of segregating fae by type into each court? Otherwise a ruler could just be like "I want that one" and suddenly the mold is broken. Besides even Falk for all his power can't recruit or control an entire species. If they could belong to either Winter or Fall then the should belong to both. Not saying that Falk wouldn't have some pretty powerful Mara in his employ but if he can recruit Mara then why couldn't Aryssyla Te'GarNegan do so just as easily?

Besides couldn't (in the specific situation of Nyx) Falk or Aryssyla have made a deal with Cernunnos. Petaline in exchange for something else that the Winter or Fall might value? I mean Spring while Seelie is more or less a neutral party. They have resources that Winter requires and given the hostility between Winter and Summer the other Seelie Court would likely not be providing them. Cernunnos could have demanded Nyx's mother as a perk of establishing a new pack with Winter or Fall. Or perhaps something as simple as an exchange. Cernunnos gives a type of fae from his Court that he has a dime a dozen, say a nature spirit in exchange for something a little more rare to him.

Also, there is the Sidhe. Which in my Lore are something of the rarest species. Their Earthly kin are about here and there and often are spread through out all the Courts but the opalescent kin? They are rare indeed. Most of them tend to hide themselves under a guise of a seasonborn Fae. It is unclear why and I am going to add this tidbit into the races part. Plot point here.


Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't the Sidhe derivatives of the Irish version of the fae? Relatable to the Aos Sí. Basically just a blanket term for supernatural creatures from Irish Folklore?

And can I get a Spring sketch of your realm from you?


Spring is the land of eternal youth and rebirth however despite its appearance it is the oldest of the fae lands. The trees that grow in Spring and young and new, their wood pliable and there color green. In many places in spite of their youth the trees form dense canopies that let only the merest trace of sunlight beneath them. Compared to the other realms Spring has blended much more thoroughly with the nature of their lands. Rather than build houses or pull stones from the Earth for their roads most everything in Spring is created from the Earth. The fae live in houses sung from the trees or burrowed into the earth. The paths that line the land are hard packed dirty from millennia of travelers crossing them. Spring possesses no farms for the time of harvest never arrives in that realm. Instead the fae seek out the ripe fruits and lush berries of the woods to feed themselves. Spring is dainty but never be fooled by the appearance for it is also the deadliest of the four realms. Deadly because it pretends its weapons are welcomes and its curses blessings. Berries of vile poison cannot be discerned from those of rich sustenance. The prettiest of trees had leaves so sharp they may slit the skin. Blessed Springs guarded by the Naiads are safe to drink should their spirit be willing but those without a guardian may look pure and clean but house deadly acids. Most dangerous of all though is the oldest realm of the Spring Court, a stretch of woods that fae call in whispers 'The Borogoves'.

They are the sight of twelve ancient trees. Trees so old they say that they stood before there was a Spring Court, before there was a Seelie or Unseelie Court. It is said that they remember the rule of the Tuatha and the great war of the fae. The spirits of these trees no more venture forth from their wood as that of the young ones do but should you stray into their path they shall whisper to you. Talk of your hearts greatest desire, of everything you ever wanted, they will entwine you in their forest song and then in their branches and you will die with a smile on your lips. Only those without a heart, without a want, without a wish, without a desire have ever survived the Borogroves. It is said that should you reject them they will speak to you a single truth of your choosing.

The Palace of the Spring Court is housed within the Greatest tree to ever live. The mortals called it Yggdrasil, the World Tree. It stretches so high it's branches disappear into the clouds. It is said that the roots stretch down into the underworld itself. It is an ancient thing that some fear to approach. The royal court and the fae it houses occupy only the central section. Those fae that live in the palace fear what they may find if they venture too high or creep too low. No one knows all the mysteries of Yggdrasil, not even the Archon though he knows much more than any other and much more than he would ever let on.
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And if Falk or any other ruler can recruit a certain type of fae what is the point of segregating fae by type into each court?


Because that was ten thousand years ago, before things had fully settled. Remember the history tid bit I sent you. He took control shortly after everything had settled, do you think he sat idle before then? He is a very clever Fae, and to stay in power that long without a real threat to it and each time there is a real threat... His throne and hall gets a new addition. That's something very much unheard of. And yes they would belong to both Winter and Fall.

Cernunnos could have demanded Nyx's mother as a perk of establishing a new pack with Winter or Fall.


He could have, and he most likely did and if he did it was most likely with winter. I cant see Cernunnos and Falk getting along.

Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't the Sidhe derivatives of the Irish version of the fae? Relatable to the Aos Sí. Basically just a blanket term for supernatural creatures from Irish Folklore?


That could be said of many types of Fae. Several sources I've noted classified them as a type, others use them as a blanket term, for the sake of the Plot they are a type. They have since this RP became a RP.

And good history but I'll be NPC-ing the Borogoves, since I know the plot and history of most everything.

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Someone save me from this 13 hr shift! I don't want to be an adult no more!! *cries*
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Because that was ten thousand years ago, before things had fully settled. Remember the history tid bit I sent you. He took control shortly after everything had settled, do you think he sat idle before then? He is a very clever Fae, and to stay in power that long without a real threat to it and each time there is a real threat... His throne and hall gets a new addition. That's something very much unheard of. And yes they would belong to both Winter and Fall.


What I'm saying is that even Falk with all his power and age couldn't possibly have recruited every single member of a specific type of fae.

He could have, and he most likely did and if he did it was most likely with winter. I cant see Cernunnos and Falk getting along.


You've got a point there. Old ruling fae can't possibly get along all that well especially if there is doubt as to who is the strongest.

@Belle I don't know how long Aryssyla has been ruling Winter but would she or possibly the previous ruler have been open to this?

That could be said of many types of Fae. Several sources I've noted classified them as a type, others use them as a blanket term, for the sake of the Plot they are a type. They have since this RP became a RP.


How are the types of fae that have the word Sidhe in there name going to be handled? For example the Bean Sidhe, Leanan Sidhe, Cat Sidhe.

And good history but I'll be NPC-ing the Borogoves, since I know the plot and history of most everything.


I expected as much. There based primarily on the poem Jabberwocky and secondarily on the interpretation from Once Upon a Time in Wonderland.
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