[OOC] Mid/High Casual - Divinus: The Deity Roleplay Mk.II

[Fabulous Knight]

@Legion02I don't understand why we need to look at it from a more practical standpoint. I mean, this isn't our universe. It's our universe, if you get me. We literally have a god of physics, and while the universe might generally follow the laws we put into place -- not only do those laws include stuff like magic, but the laws also don't apply to us.

Plus, plants don't need to -- and don't -- depend on seasons.

[Muttonhawk]

There's two reasons why I don't mind the the sciency stuff.

1. It's fun to connect it to the fantastic.

2. It sets guidelines.

The science doesn't have to be hard and fast because, yes, we can break the rules as gods. However, when fantasy connects to a relatable reality, sometimes it helps to bridge the gaps in terms of interpretation. Some people are leaning more heavily on science than others, but they are much closer to guidelines than rules. Don't feel discouraged by it, just do your own thing. If there's a clash, there will be GM discretion as the be-all-end-all arbitration.

ADDENDUM: When you have multiple authors and arbitrary mythological and unexplained parts of the universe that have no connection to how we understand our universe at all, it tends to make people feel copped out if something they could not have known to consider comes up. It's all well and good for the authors of ancient mythology, because they didn't have to play play-by-post RPs with each other. The guidelines keep it to an understandable scope for us, and if one of us wants to add something fantastical, everyone can get a clear sense of its impact.

[Antarctic Termite]

So...why do we need to deal with this "science" business? Persephone's kidnapping kickstarted the whole season thing, and the sun was Apollo's chariot. Less mythologically, we have the power to bend gravity, the skies, magic and chaos to our will. Why'd we need to make everything how it is in real life? This is just a fantasy, right?

@Fabulous Knight

It is a fantasy and once we have the basic resources down it'll pretty quickly start to resemble one, from my experience with Divinus, and honestly I really really hope it does. I think we just want to have things like tides, seasons, and oceans that are made of water instead of ammonia because we're used to the way those things work and want to roleplay in a world that starts off at least somewhat familiar to us.

I think we're putting those things in place so that they continue their functions via physics (universal blueprint magic) instead of conventional divine magic because it requires less regulation and in the end probably less work, too. Having moons like Earth does kills both the problem of extreme axial tilt and gives us our familiar tides, without having to do those things individually by magic. Creating life as we know it supplants the need to oxygenate the place manually. Volcanoes do warm up the planet's atmosphere and gives it cool shit like lava lakes, geothermal vents, and a whole host of other useful stuff. It's hard to be as creatively retroactively efficient in putting together an Earth-like planet as physics is, because it's physics that put together Earth originally, if you get my drift.

But the real reason is honestly because science is fun every now and again and you bet that Jvan's going to fill the ocean by vomiting water out of nowhere rather than exploiting comets because that's the line where magic is more entertaining and in-character.

[Fabulous Knight]

@MuttonhawkI don't have anything against people using science, I was just confused as to why we were. --That said, I think we're bright/agreeable enough to roleplay without real-world guidelines; we seem good at hashing things out OOC. Oh, and I didn't mean arbitrary or unexplained when I said mythological.

@Antarctic TermiteI meant how we got the seasons and oceans &c. more than whether we had them. The difference between "water is the tears of a god weeping because there is no life" vs. "we got some H and some O".

Makes sense if people find it fun. I've never been a fan of it -- does anyone mind if I go more fantastical?

[Muttonhawk]

...I've never been a fan of it -- does anyone mind if I go more fantastical?

@Fabulous Knight

As long as we understand what's generally happening, I'd say go for it.

[Fabulous Knight]

@MuttonhawkStuff like the above examples -- cause will lead to effect like anything else, it'll just be magical/fantastical in nature.

[Antarctic Termite]

Makes sense if people find it fun. I've never been a fan of it -- does anyone mind if I go more fantastical?

@Fabulous Knight

Please do. I'm with you on the creation process.

For the record I still intend to post at some or other point but I'm also still procrastinating. By studying. Which is an oddly useful form of procrastination.

[ArekTheAbsolute]

Speaking of creations here is the creation post for the Orbs of Darkness Julkolfyr made. They are bad things, very bad things.

Orbs of Darkness

Creation:
Physical

Name: Orbs of Darkness
Description: Brought forth in the time before creation as a whole was made, these Orbs were made by Julkolfyr, the god of darkness, to instill a lesson that he thought many of his sibling gods needed to learn. Though what lesson that was is known only to them the effects have been disastrous to all. These Orbs of Darkness are, as one would expect, made from the primordial darkness from whence all creation was birthed. They are however not as nurturing, they flit around throughout creation at the speed of most comets, wrecking that which was made and wholly removing it.

They number 56 throughout creation and are of varying sizes ranging from the smallest, the size of a small planet core, to one of the largest which is the size of the average nebula. They all carry around them a sphere of influence radiating out from their black surface. This influence however is inversely proportional to their size and the largest of them extended it to but a couple hundred miles from the surface, while the smaller ones Influence reaches out to a few hundred thousand miles.

What these Orbs of Darkness do is simple yet catastrophic for anything coming into contact with them. They render anything within them or their spheres of influence into nothingness, anything. Physics does not exist in the presence though thankfully after they do not remove it entirely from its path, as once it has passed physics returns. However most other things that are not permanent to the universe, such as stars and planets, energy and life, are affected. They are wiped into primordial oblivion to which there is no return, while anything outside of the spheres of influence are left alone.

Appearance:

A medium sized Orb travelling through a Massive Star

[Kho]

@MuttonhawkStuff like the above examples -- cause will lead to effect like anything else, it'll just be magical/fantastical in nature.

@Fabulous Knight

Just remember, even if you create stuff magically, the way they are going to be perceived in the mortal realm is going to be very different and over a different timeframe.
If, for instance, Jvan DOES vommit water, it might be perceived as a hail of water from space, or strange atmospheric conditions leading to a ten thousand year period of constant rain or whatever.
The gods themselves may not stick by the laws set out in the blueprint, but when manifesting into reality, their actions will find a way to happen while obeying the laws set out. So, if you create a completely new species out of nothing, the laws would make it so that it evolved from something else etc.

As magic is part of the blueprint, obviously it means that fantastical things can happen too.

[Fabulous Knight]

@KhoWait what? I did not know that. That is very interesting.

So you say that fantastical elements i.e. magic is written into the fabric of reality...does this mean that willing a being into existence, as part of magic (e.g. using the Adversary's demon portfolio) would be manifested as the magical birth it is, or would it too have "evolved"? --And how does said retroactive evolution interlock with Slough's domain?

[Kho]

@KhoWait what? I did not know that. That is very interesting.

So you say that fantastical elements i.e. magic is written into the fabric of reality...does this mean that willing a being into existence, as part of magic (e.g. using the Adversary's demon portfolio) would be manifested as the magical birth it is, or would it too have "evolved"? --And how does said retroactive evolution interlock with Slough's domain?

@Fabulous Knight

As much as possible, the laws will resist creatio ex nihilo. So demons, being unique beings, may manifest as creations who have emerged from the 'gaps' created by Jvan in pre-existence, Mammon may have created his own separate plain where demons have evolved and then can emerge into the larger universe. Or, if there is nothing for it, creatio ex nihiilo - a drop of something from Mammon, which then develops into a small demon, which then develops on etc.
It may take a few seconds for Mammon, but eons in mortal Time, or if the creation in question is unique, it may take a shorter or longer period - if you don't specify the length in mortals years in your post, one of the GMs will specify.

This is mainly to avoid the absurd situation we had in the previous RP where humans had been created ten days prior, but we had humans who were 90 years old -.-

[Double Capybara]

Is it such a trouble? In most mythologies earth is only a few thousand years old.

[Kho]

Is it such a trouble? In most mythologies earth is only a few thousand years old.

@Double Capybara

Yup, that is in mythologies.
Mortals can believe what they want, but the reality must make sense xD

[Kho]

Is it such a trouble? In most mythologies earth is only a few thousand years old.

@Double Capybara

For instance, in the last RP, Cyclone played a deluded character who believed that there was only one god and ascribed all the miracles that were happening to him. The reality was that there were many gods and they were the ones doing the miracles.

[Dawnscroll]

Here's a question: Might vs Time. I'll use Logos as an example: We can use might to raise mountains, continents, and so forth. And we can probably do so quite suddenly for super dramatic effect.

Logos controls gravity (among others), and you can substitute any god with their power for a similar scenario. What's to prevent him from grabbing alot of the base material from space, using his power to mold them into a hole, set it into an orbit, and then just lob a few more meteors into it to make the terrain. Heck, like Jan said a few icy meteors could result in oceans. But what if this is done over millions/billions of years rather than "shazam"?

[Legion02]

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For instance, in the last RP, Cyclone played a deluded character who believed that there was only one god and ascribed all the miracles that were happening to him. The reality was that there were many gods and they were the ones doing the miracles.

@Kho

Just out of curiousity, how did the others god react to this and how did Cyclone's god react when he got confronted by other gods?

[Kho]

Here's a question: Might vs Time. I'll use Logos as an example: We can use might to raise mountains, continents, and so forth. And we can probably do so quite suddenly for super dramatic effect.

Logos controls gravity (among others), and you can substitute any god with their power for a similar scenario. What's to prevent him from grabbing alot of the base material from space, using his power to mold them into a hole, set it into an orbit, and then just lob a few more meteors into it to make the terrain. Heck, like Jan said a few icy meteors could result in oceans. But what if this is done over millions/billions of years rather than "shazam"?

@Dawnscroll

I'm lost. What are you asking xDDDD

[Kho]

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Just out of curiousity, how did the others god react to this and how did Cyclone's god react when he got confronted by other gods?

@Legion02

Cyclone was actually playing a Hero who eventually became a demigod.
He never came to face with many gods - maybe only two. The first he met was Vestec, and he assumed that this was the one god who existed. The second he met was a god who cursed him, he just got really annoyed at him and assumed these were lesser gods, nothing in comparison with the ultimate god.

[Legion02]

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I'm lost. What are you asking xDDDD

@Kho

I think Dawnscroll is try to ask that, as his god's power concerns gravity (and time), couldn't he just use that to create new celestial objects instead of using might to do so.

[Dawnscroll]

@Legion02 Well, using my gods powers AND time. For instance, could Sloud just simply create bacteria and give that a few billion years to evolve into a higher life form. Since we're divine immortals, Time means nothing. So could someone achieve their goals, slower, if they had the means and creativity to do so.