[OOC] Black Mountain Tournament: Sigurd vs Gigue

[MelonHead]

And balls are quite the hard target to hit spot on. There's a reason they aren't called balloons.

@Vordak

If you think about the positioning Gigue's left leg would be debilitated and trying to get over Sigurd's body and his right leg would be outstretched and trying to control Sigurd's head. In the resting position the stone arm is in all Sigurd would have to do is lift it forcefully leftwards and it would be funnelled directly into Gigue's crotch, game over. Not that it matters as you don't have to stick with the actions you prescribed.

[MelonHead]

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This is why i suddenly thought Sigurd's left arm was up there to guard him from the kick. Didn't quite interpret that the right way; but hey, chances are i won't be embarrassing myself as often in the future, now that i've got the right mindset hammered into my head.

@Vordak

I can see why that misled you, but I meant in regards to the left arm being under Gigue (and therefore causing him all sorts of problems) and the right shoulder/pauldron being in the way of a straight up kick. Not to mention that was OOC, so it didn't really have any baring on anything, if I was more cynical I might have just said that to mislead you.

[Vordak]

Edited.

[Vordak]

God forbid you were more cynical; i've already made this fight riddled with uneasiness on my own.

[MelonHead]

God forbid you were more cynical; i've already made this fight riddled with uneasiness on my own.

@Vordak

Fair. I've read the edit but I'm still severely worried for Gigue's balls. If you're sure you want to stick with that move though I'll reply to it tomorrow.

[Vordak]

He's got silk padding that's supposed to save from a .45 shot over his balls, as well as a hardened leather cup. I don't think a punch to that place is neccesarily going to stop him from going ham with the knife.

[Vordak]

Look at his reference picture and then think of his arm's position, his neck isn't that free a target. Not to mention if Gigue gets into that position drawing a knife to strike seems like a massive waste of time, he could just punch Sigurd in the face in half the time and knock him out. Your character's strength is actually insane, giving him the benefit of the doubt in regards to his punching form he can generate more force with his punch than any living human at least twice over, Sigurd isn't a boxer (trained to take punches to the face) and even giving -him- the benefit of the doubt he'd still be debilitated by a single punch. Why waste time with drawing a knife?

That being said, Gigue is already an unstoppable badass, multiple rending wounds, badly injured arms and even broken ribs and he's still performing acrobatics and break dancing, what more can Sigurd do?

@MelonHead

Well, strength does not always equal to punching force. In Gigue's case, he punches just as your normal heavyweight, since it is stated in his CS that he is just as fast as any other human martial artist, meaning that in accordance to the formula of kinetic energy, he doesn't gain that much of an increase in power. Sure, he is slightly less impeded by the inertia of his own bodyweight and has a pair of shiny brass knuckles, but i think that is a negligible advantage in comparison to the penetrative power of a knife stab.

The only things he can do better by virtue of strength is grapple and throw around heavy objects - and as mentioned prior, his own body included. For that reason, i decided that with both legs and his lower torso intact, it wouldn't be unreasonable to have him do the flip kick as a desperation move, in order to make sure Sigurd wouldn't be slipping out of his reach anytime again. The guy's been fighting for the better part of his life with fists alone, so it'd be safe to say this isn't his first time pounding an enemy into submission while hanging on by the skin of his teeth.

Certainly, i have not emphasized his tiredness that much - but having both limbs on his left side be useless is quite debilitating on its own, and as i have said in my IC post, unless Gigue wins this skirmish, chances are, he's done for.

EDIT: that being said, i really did want to follow up Gigue's ass slam with the dreaded crunch punch.

[MelonHead]

To be honest, the only thing I found a bit strange is that his break-dance would have definitely aggravated the rib damage he had just taken. That exact position would hurt like hell.

[MelonHead]

'Well, strength does not always equal to punching force' true, arguably three things equate to punching force, technique/context, weight and strength. However Gigue has at least got two of those, and arguably the third as well, so even if he was immensely sub-par as a fighter he should strike with immense force.

[Vordak]

I've never had a rib hurt, so i wouldn't know. I just assumed that since the broken rib is on the left side, it wouldn't be under too much strain.

[MelonHead]

Basically any bending around the waist would aggravate the wound and any shock or impact to the body as a whole, it's not really life threatening but the pain of all the stretching and sudden jerking movements would be pretty bad.

[MelonHead]

Anyway, to clarify what position exactly is Gigue in? He jumps onto Sigurd where? What happens to his left leg?

[Vordak]

Onto the upper abdomen, close to the solar plexus; his left leg would just be laying over Sigurd's right shoulder, relaxed.

[MelonHead]

Onto the upper abdomen, close to the solar plexus; his left leg would just be laying over Sigurd's right shoulder, relaxed.

@Vordak

OK. Well it just occurred to me that Sigurd's sword will be wrenched out of his hand because the blade is going to be stuck in Gigue's leg, so I'll be making a mention of that.

[MelonHead]

Hmm, this is an interesting situation. Been a while since I really debated my options, I literally have three moves typed out and I'm unsure what to go for.

[Vordak]

Tell me all about them. You can trust Vordak. :^)

[MelonHead]

Tell me all about them. You can trust Vordak. :^)

@Vordak

Technically I can, you can't really do anything about them until they're posted so at most it would give you extra time to think of follow-ups, though with your track record you take more than enough time anyway.

Basically it comes down to three options 1. Sigurd throws a backhand into Gigue's balls, which is questionable because I don't quite know Gigue's positioning, or 2-3 which are similar in essence, Sigurd uses the arm underneath Gigue to either throw him forward suddenly by lifting it (causing him to miss his mark and fall over Sigurd's head) or throw him rightward suddenly (causing Gigue to fall over Sigurd's right side).

The question is which is safer. The second option risks Sigurd's helm against the knife if Gigue adjusts, the third risks leaving Gigue in a position where he can still threaten Sigurd.

[Vordak]

Alright, i get it. If you're taking someone to the ground, god forbid you let go of them. But i'd say that options 2-3 are definitely better, since Gigue would be hellbent on finishing the fight as soon as possible, likely ignoring the pain and stabbing the living heck out of Sigurd regardless.

[MelonHead]

Alright, i get it. If you're taking someone to the ground, god forbid you let go of them. But i'd say that options 2-3 are definitely better, since Gigue would be hellbent on finishing the fight as soon as possible, likely ignoring the pain and stabbing the living heck out of Sigurd regardless.

@Vordak

Exactly, we'd probably just get into an argument whether Gigue could take the punch to the balls, which he probably could to be honest. Also it's a low blow, and not really something that Sigurd would do.

[Vordak]

@MelonHead

Option 2 also leaves Gigue face downwards, so in theory, he can get up to his feet quicker than Sigurd and just bum rush him with the knife as he's getting up; especially dangerous considering Sigurd is completely disarmed. Option three still leaves both of them grounded, but it also frees up both of Sigurd's arms without giving Gigue a definitive advantage.